Star Wars Expanded Universe Fans/Cultists - I HOPE YOU LIKE STAR WARS AUTISM

[Shokew]

Wow, how hard is it to just assume Expanded Universe is Canon on a personal level when reading EU Novels, or discussing it in a group where that assumption is understood? Disney's not saying you CAN'T read it or talk about it, they're not rounding up all of the X-Wing novels for the geekiest book-burning of all time. The only thing getting these fans' panties in a bunch is the lack of imagination to even assume that what you are reading are events that really happened a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away, even if some corporate fat cats are saying it's not right fucking now in a boardroom in south Burbank, CA.

What's stopping them from letting them do their own thing, is the real question. Just about anything in the EU that Disney ret-conned is fanfiction-y anyway, to tell the cold hard truth. Or am I missing some massive steps here? Either way, I can't condone this idiocy coming from these "fans" too much, as much as I want to feel sorry for them. To me, there are bigger things to be mad about in this world... than that of having your fanfiction rejected by someone.

 

[Mrs Paul]

Indeed, in an interview he gave he came off as an arrogant bastard but the context was that he had a busy schedule with TV and stage acting and that any actual role would be minor and a diversion for him at the time.

If you watch during the 'Trench Run' scene at the end of the new movie, there is a pilot with a Scot accent that has a few lines of dialogue. I suspect that was a nod to Denis.

Ps - Halfway through the nuCanon book Lost Stars at the moment, and I've got to say it's one of the more well written books I've read in a while. Recommend it.

Yeah, I've heard he's kind of a dick when it comes to SW stuff. Which is funny because his nephew is Ewan McGregor. (Wedge kicks ass. I don't care what anyone says, the X-Wing series was the best of the EU) Bummer.

 

[BF 388]

They are still technically canon within their own universe, and I would imagine there will still be stuff released within that universe. I keep hearing rumors about KotOR 3 and I imagine it will be part of the old EU.

I don't think you'll see anything else released under the Legends banner.

With an enormous behemoth like Star Wars marketing, it doesn't make any sense to have an two marketing lines and have to explain the difference to people.

To put it into perspective, were talking about a group of, at maximum 10 000 butthurt fans worldwide, versus a global audience of hundreds of millions of people.

TFA will introduce many people to the GFFA for the first time, and reinvigorate interest for others. It makes sense for them to be able to jump straight into something like TCW and Rebels, and the ever increasing volume of books and comics and eventually games.

It doesn't make sense to present two marketing lines, one brand new and one 38 years old.

Yeah, I've heard he's kind of a dick when it comes to SW stuff. Which is funny because his nephew is Ewan McGregor. (Wedge kicks ass. I don't care what anyone says, the X-Wing series was the best of the EU) Bummer.

The Old EU is probably to blame for that. From his perspective, he had a minor speaking role in the three movies, not exactly a major character.

Then the EU comes along turns him into this massive godlike pilot, and so you've got sweaty overweight idiots stalking you and asking for Wedge's autograph on their Bacta Trap book.

I'd sincerely doubt he's ever read any of the Stackpole etc novels. Wedge was just minor role for him, he's an actor and he's free to chose what roles he wants to play for his own enjoyment.

 

[screamysnail]

With an enormous behemoth like Star Wars marketing, it doesn't make any sense to have two marketing lines and have to explain the difference to people.

To put it into perspective, we're talking about a group of, at maximum 10,000 butthurt fans worldwide, versus a global audience of hundreds of millions of people. It doesn't make sense to present two marketing lines, one brand new and one 38 years old.

I agree, and it seems like the most logical thing for them to do...and yet I've seen stores selling stacks of the older EU books right next to stuff for TFA, which presents more or less the same problem as them making new Legends stuff.

 

[anephric]

I agree, and it seems like the most logical thing for them to do...and yet I've seen stores selling stacks of the older EU books right next to stuff for TFA, which presents more or less the same problem as them making new Legends stuff.

Don't confuse existing merchandise with the future direction they're going in. They have the rights for this stuff, of course they're going to sell it, they want your money. That includes the first EU novels (Zahn's?) which are no longer valid.

They'll keep them in print for as long as they sell - but they'll never reference them, or keep them "valid" in the "new timeline".

 

[Surtur]

I don't think you'll see anything else released under the Legends banner.

With an enormous behemoth like Star Wars marketing, it doesn't make any sense to have an two marketing lines and have to explain the difference to people.

To put it into perspective, were talking about a group of, at maximum 10 000 butthurt fans worldwide, versus a global audience of hundreds of millions of people.

TFA will introduce many people to the GFFA for the first time, and reinvigorate interest for others. It makes sense for them to be able to jump straight into something like TCW and Rebels, and the ever increasing volume of books and comics and eventually games.

It doesn't make sense to present two marketing lines, one brand new and one 38 years old.



The Old EU is probably to blame for that. From his perspective, he had a minor speaking role in the three movies, not exactly a major character.

Then the EU comes along turns him into this massive godlike pilot, and so you've got sweaty overweight idiots stalking you and asking for Wedge's autograph on their Bacta Trap book.

I'd sincerely doubt he's ever read any of the Stackpole etc novels. Wedge was just minor role for him, he's an actor and he's free to chose what roles he wants to play for his own enjoyment.

The mainstream audience they are targeting with TFA does not care about any of the novels. Beyond the ocassional SW game, that audience just cares about the movies. The people who buy the novels will know and care about the difference.

 

[AnOminous]

They are still technically canon within their own universe, and I would imagine there will still be stuff released within that universe. I keep hearing rumors about KotOR 3 and I imagine it will be part of the old EU.

This is why being obsessed with "canonicity" is Rainman level autism. Someone can always buy out a franchise and then some new corporation is in charge of what's canon.

Previously, the Lucasfilm enterprise kept an autistically detailed list of what was canon and how canon it was. All anyone sane needs to know is if it was in a movie it's canon and it's more canon than if it was in a novel by Neckbeard McDoofenstein.

So if you took that seriously, it being bought out was a heinous crime on the level of Sonic's arms being blue.

 

[anephric]

Truth be told, canon is important as an internal thing. It's really just keeping things consistent - do lightsabres work underwater? If yes, then they have to be that way in all future installments - but the fanboy interpretation is a bastardization of its original concept.

And yes, the whole "levels of canon" bullshit that Lucasfilm gave the EU was just a pandering of fandom. Star Trek also does this to a much smaller extent (shows and movies count, nothing else does AND all books, video games, etc have to undo all their stories by the end.)

 

[Mrs Paul]

Like I said, I'm mostly bummed that no more books are coming out. And that "Sword of the Jedi" was cancelled. You'd think they'd at least release the last one in the Legends run. Oh well, no big deal. I've got bigger things to deal with. (Like the color of the ties in the Harry Potter movies, dammit!)

 

[XYZpdq]

With an enormous behemoth like Star Wars marketing, it doesn't make any sense to have an two marketing lines and have to explain the difference to people.

Disney's been happy to sell crap to mostly anybody when it comes to theme park nerds. They'll make stuff for rides that closed decades ago if there's a market.

I could see them eventually doing some sort of direct-market style thing like Print on Demand or ebooks or something if it was determined that the ROI was worth it and it was fans-only enough to not muddy the marketing.

 

[Pinball Lizard]

So, here's Wookieepedia's main page. Notice anything? Like, how there's absolutely nothing about TFA on it? Not even an announcement of its release in the news section? This is apparently due to the site being too bogged down in admin stupidity to actually get anything done, but among those same admins I have noticed Bring Back Legends sympathies.

 

[Accel_Rider]

Well that's not biased at all

 

[Adamska]

Why are you even shocked? Wookiepedia was full of EU stuff, giving a decent implication on where they stood. Plus wiki editors are superautists anyways.

 

[Harvey Kent]

To be fair, Wookieepedia has two tabs on most major articles, covering canon and a second covering Legends. They also have a "RUINED FOREVER" article dating back over 10 years chronicling all the stuff superfanboys got butthurt about.

 

[TheImportantFart]

I find it very fitting that Wookieepedia's banner at the top of articles where there's canon and Legends information present is: "You can't stop the change, any more than you can stop the suns from setting". They clearly know their editors are a bunch of autistic children who fear and despise change, so they thought the most appropriate representation for them was whiny young Anakin Skywalker. I think the mods have more of a sense of humour than we give them credit for.

 

[Pinball Lizard]

I find it very fitting that Wookieepedia's banner at the top of articles where there's canon and Legends information is present is: "You can't stop the change, any more than you can stop the suns from setting". They clearly know their editors are a bunch of autistic children who fear and despise change, so they thought the most appropriate representation for them was whiny young Anakin Skywalker. I think the mods have more of a sense of humour than we give them credit for.

Unfortunately, from what I understand the mods are the problem here. They've consolidated so much power in ten years that the Wiki has become more of an administrative fiefdom sort of similar to a tyrannical corporation, with regular users getting the hammer dropped on them for the slightest offenses. The regular users live in fear of the admins, which has actually resulted in negative effects on the Wiki, something even said admins are starting to admit.

 

[MysticMisty]

Unfortunately, from what I understand the mods are the problem here. They've consolidated so much power in ten years that the Wiki has become more of an administrative fiefdom sort of similar to a tyrannical corporation, with regular users getting the hammer dropped on them for the slightest offenses. The regular users live in fear of the admins, which has actually resulted in negative effects on the Wiki, something even said admins are starting to admit.

This makes a lot of sense. Back when I was active in the fandom somebody noticed an article with incorrect information, as it contradicted the movies. He tried to change it to be accurate, only it was changed back within hours with the mod/admin yelling at them for changing it. They considered it to have priority over the movies because it was some stupid years-old thing from the EU.

 

[Pinball Lizard]

This makes a lot of sense. Back when I was active in the fandom somebody noticed an article with incorrect information, as it contradicted the movies. He tried to change it to be accurate, only it was changed back within hours with the mod/admin yelling at them for changing it. They considered it to have priority over the movies because it was some stupid years-old thing from the EU.

There's a pretty good thread on Theforce.net following Wookieepedia administrative drama. I might make a thread here for it if I can find enough material as it's pretty juicy stuff, but I'm not sure I wouldn't just be repeating the stuff in that thread.

 

[BF 388]

There's a pretty good thread on Theforce.net following Wookieepedia administrative drama. I might make a thread here for it if I can find enough material as it's pretty juicy stuff, but I'm not sure I wouldn't just be repeating the stuff in that thread.

Link it to us at least. I enjoy a bit of space drama.

 

[Pinball Lizard]

Link it to us at least. I enjoy a bit of space drama.

Happy Life Day! TFN's an ancient site in technology time so this thread's more than a decade old, but if you check the parts around and after the Disney buyout there's good lolworthy stuff.