Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

The whole loads of star destroyers with death star guns thing bothered me. It would probably been better if Palpatine just said he has a big fucking clone army and a load of state of the art Warships. You know like the last time he won. The Rebels and republic were already fucked as of last jedi, so portraying it simply as Palpatines logical endgame would probably be a lot more menacing than he's dicking around with super weapons in some pointless scheme. Not in the least because superweapons have typically been a total liability so far.
 
I know that can be said of people like Chris Stuckman, but I was trying to refer to people like him and the casual audience. There simply is no reason for the latter not to simply consume all the old cheaper stuff first (obviously assuming they are aware they exist). I mean why not? Those are the things that paved the way for the new stuff anyway. How could casuals not enjoy them? I just don't understand it.

I mean soon enough we're going to get to the point where we pretty have enough games of a certain genre that will last you almost a life time if you play them and do most of the other playthroughs, challenges, and modes to them. When that time comes, wtf is going to be these people's excuse for not playing these games other than they weren't aware they existed and time and money? I guess what I'm trying to say is they have to have actually developed a standard instead of just be a bunch of dumb clapping seals.

because it's not "in", it's not what people talk about right now. casuals just want to feel they belong, the rest wants to be the "first" to talk about it, similar to the hipster thought process.

you can see it better with boardgames, where there is much less innovation and a lot of time just a mix of decade old mechanics basically. "cult of the new" is even worse in that area when you have people dropping 300-500 bucks on a kickstarter they might play a bit, or not at all. but it's NEW AND EXCITING AND VOTED HIGH ON BGG!
 
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There’s another thing about this film that I don’t think people haven’t mentioned here (iirc); there are no long-term consequences.

Think about it: all of the ‘fake-outs’ presented here are either hand waved away or are ‘fixed’ within seconds to minutes. Rey accidentally kills Chewbacca after trying to save him from Kylo, which could possibly add something to her character development? Nah, thirty seconds later and Chewie’s fine. C-3PO gets his memory wiped? Nope, it's all fixed by R2-D2. Rey sacrifices herself to save the galaxy? Here comes Kylo Ren, who proceeds to revive her before promptly vanishing. Who needs tension and stakes in a Star Wars film?
 
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So he just collected the books and brought them to sloth titty planet? Also nu-fans who only stick to Disney canon will be utterly lost and confused by this shit, and they expect this to answer their plot hole questions? Also if they actually use these things in nu-canon I'm almost scared to see how they'll rape them. Maybe make Odan-Urr some kind of tranny who talks about the fluidity of genders being part of the true understanding of the Force, or simply have him get schooled by whatever version of Rey exists in that nu-era.
From the impression I got in these screenshots, Luke took the books with him to Sloth Titty Land. That also contradicts what Rian established in The Last Jedi (not to mention it was Rian's intent IMHO that Luke had barely read the books or not at all which was contradicted in this book and the movie) but why should any of us be surprised. This whole film has been J.J. largely ignoring as much of The Last Jedi as he could while Pablo's trying to cover Abrams' ass in the visual dictionary by trying to justify how a large fleet like this could be built or other things like Poe's brand-new background as a spice smuggler.

If you ever needed proof that Abrams didn't give a fuck about the 'story group' or Rian Johnson, you got it in The Rise of Skywalker.
 
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I don't particularly like Rogue One but I agree with sentiment. They have much material they can base an adaptation on. They could take near any genre of film and paint it in Star Wars and generate new success. What I would like to see, which we'll not ever, is the return of Kyle Katarn in a one-off based on his past appearances.

Rogue one was at least something similar to traditional Star War movie that we are used to: Small band of fuckups has to go in against all odds and get a McGuffin that can help do a Thing Somewhere else. It's a side story and it fits. Things move around the main fuckups that normally are going to occur and they barely make it out only to die in the end. There's a beginning, a middle, and an end and everyone's arc is completed at the conclusion of the story.

Hence, people find Rogue One as a 'satisfying' movie but not an "OMG THIS IS BESTEST STAR WARS!!111!" It's a side tale and entertaining.
 
This is depressing, but the good kind! Alec's pained and haunted expressions during that scene totally sells the Vader reveal (from a different point of view) retcon later.

Alec Guinness knew his shit


Some disgusting Buzzfeed bugman claims to be the boy in question


But I heard that it would be difficult to meet him, or maybe that he wasn't giving autographs at the time, but I knew that I couldn't just wait at the stage door and expect to meet him. I think it might've even been a big party afterwards for people who paid lots and lots of money, and maybe that was the reason I wouldn't get to meet him.

But I didn't want to miss my chance.

In the Question and Answer section, after the clips, Sir Alec told some stories about the making of this picture or that, but most importantly to me he talked about how he approached acting, which inspired me to no end.

And then I saw my chance. I hoped that perhaps because I had seen Star Wars so many times, he might grant me the favor of an autograph. In fact I thought he would be impressed that I had seen it so many times. I was a true fan. He would surely give me that autograph, right?

Now, I had heard that he had issues with Star Wars, but I wasn't gonna let that stop me. I'd run down to the lip of the stage, he would lean over and sign my program and that would be that. A fun moment to tell the grandkids about. As it were.

So I raised my hand and the moderator called on me. I was near the back of the auditorium but I was already a seasoned actor so I could project my question all the way to the stage. "Sir Alec," I articulated in a big, loud voice. "I've seen Star Wars 102 times…"
And Sir Alec Guinness fell out in his chair.

He literally splayed his arms and legs out over the sides and edges of the chair in this completely wowed, perhaps slightly defeated position. He got a big laugh. And then he said "Well, it's not even my best picture." He got another laugh.

I was glad to be Sir Alec's straight man that night but I didn't let it deter me from my intention, so I timed the swell of laughter and as it crested, then fell I said "and it would mean very much to me if I could have your autograph."

There were some giggles and sounds of amazement, but Sir Alec immediately responded with a finger pointed across the auditorium in my direction and said "I'll see you after the show."

So my date with Alec Guinness was set. I don't remember what happened next, all I could think was I was going to get to meet Sir Alec! After the show my mother and I found our way to the stage door (I had done lots of theater, so I knew about stage doors.) And asked to see Sir Alec.

My mother and I waited a little while backstage, and then we were brought to him. He was dressed in a tuxedo and completely charming. That little glint in his eye that I saw in a lot of his performances was very much there in that moment. He was sweet and kind and funny.

The first thing he said to me was "I feel like I should give you some of my money back!" I laughed. He laughed. My mother laughed. The people standing around us laughed, of course.

It's interesting to me that the first thing he talked about was the money. It was a wonderful joke that everybody laughed at, but I think it was rooted in how he really felt about the whole Star Wars situation, which my question from the audience and mere presence somehow triggered.

Now I'm not a therapist, but I believe the money he made from Star Wars was certainly appreciated, but he also felt strange about it: Commerce vs. Art. It was the reason for his "hatred of Star Wars."

That's kind of what the comment seemed like to me. Even at the time.

His version of our story is correct. He did say I'd like for you to do something for me exactly as he quoted. I did say "Anything, sir, anything!" I was for the first time in my life meeting a true master. Not a Jedi Master, mind you, a master in the art of Acting. So, I would've done anything Alec Guinness asked of me especially after what I had seen on the screen that evening.

And then he did say "Well, do you think you could promise never to see Star Wars again?"

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Now here is the moment where we differ.

Sir Alec says I then cried and my mother got haughty and dragged me away. Presumably without my coveted autograph.
But that's not what happened at all.

I said "Yes sir, I can." And then he got a pen, leaned his head down, (he was shorter than me and I can actually still see his freckles on his little bald head) and he wrote "To Danny, Good wishes always. Alec Guinness. And you have promised me not to see Star Wars again!” (original emphasis).

I thanked him profusely for the autograph. He said it was wonderful to meet me and my mother. He obviously remembered my mother because 20 years later when he wrote the memoir he included a reference to my "elegant mother." (And he was right about her too, she is elegant.) So we both must've made an impression on him that night.
And then we were shown the exit; me beaming the whole time looking at my new autograph from Obi-Wan Kenobi. Oops. I mean Sir Alec Guinness.

And that was that. I went my way, he went his.

I think I told everybody I knew what happened. People were probably exhausted from hearing about it.

I have tried to dine out on it a bit in my adulthood, too, but it's not every day you can just slip in the conversation: "When I was a boy I met Alec Guinness and he asked me never to see Star Wars again." It just doesn't come up. My friend Lesli loves Star Wars so much she had Storm Troopers at her wedding, and she loved the story, because it's kind of great.

And that's why I don't understand why he changed the story. I know writers always embellish when they retell a story. In fact, my great friend Mark, who is a writer, is one of those people who said "That's you? I've been telling the story for 15 years!" But when he told it back to me even he had added a little bit. So, I understand that writers are writers.

But why did Guinness make himself into a monster? Why did he change the story from his being kind and gracious and lovely to his being so mean to a child that the child busts out crying and his mother becomes haughty and drags him away?

When you hear my story, it's a fun story. It still tells you the issues he had with Star Wars, but you get to see the gracious man that I got to see. When he tells the story, he's a curmudgeon. A man who would make sweet-faced boys cry. Because he was so concerned that I would be living in a fantasy life.

And that's what he talks about in his memoir: the "star-shells of madness" that he thought he saw forming in my eyes. He was concerned that I would somehow think Star Wars was reality or something?

"Star-shells of madness?" What a funny phrase. Is that something to be worried about? Something to be feared? Star-shells sound fun.

Those little star-shells of madness that he saw was probably my love for the Theater and Hollywood. He was probably seeing the "star-shells of madness" because I had just seen an hour of his work that was truly mind blowing. If I had star-shells of anything in my eyes that night, it was star-shells of Alec Guinness. Certainly not Obi-Wan Kenobi.

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You probably have two questions. One is something about what happened with the star shells of madness. Did I ever escape to a fantasy world not dealing with reality but making up another world for myself to live in?

Well, when I was 24 I moved to Los Angeles from New York after studying acting at New York University and founded a small theater company in Hollywood called The Blank Theatre. It could be said that the whole idea of opening a live theater in Hollywood must've been born from some form of madness.

And no I don't live in a galaxy far, far away. I definitely live in Silverlake, California. I realize to some that IS a galaxy far, far away.
Now I can see that in fact, that is what's underneath all of Alec Guinness' performances. That even in his most conservative roles – he's always alive and always has a glimmer of madness underneath. Star-shells indeed.

In my work now as a theatrical artist, I'm always trying to re-create the kind of genius that Sir Alec Guinness introduced me to that night. A mad abandon in the most precise of work with something else entirely lurking underneath.

And your final question? Did I keep my promise? Have I ever seen Star Wars again? I now understand that perhaps I took a page from Sir Alec's playbook. There's what actually happened and then there's my version of what happened.

I must admit since then I have twice gone to the movie theater and paid to see Star Wars. There've been two major re-releases since 1979 and I felt like I needed to go, even if just to visit old dear friends to see how well they've held up.

But both times I walked out of the theater for about 10 minutes at the same part in the film, so my answer is: technically, I did keep my promise to Sir Alec, I never saw all of Star Wars again.
 
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Rogue one was at least something similar to traditional Star War movie that we are used to: Small band of fuckups has to go in against all odds and get a McGuffin that can help do a Thing Somewhere else. It's a side story and it fits. Things move around the main fuckups that normally are going to occur and they barely make it out only to die in the end. There's a beginning, a middle, and an end and everyone's arc is completed at the conclusion of the story.

Hence, people find Rogue One as a 'satisfying' movie but not an "OMG THIS IS BESTEST STAR WARS!!111!" It's a side tale and entertaining.

For me personally, seeing JEJ as Darth Vader for what may possibly (and hopefully) be the last time was worth the price of admission alone.
 
Seriously, where are these people standards when it comes to pop-culture? If they are so easily satisfied by crap like this, TFA, JJ's Star Trek, etc. then why not just watch any other space-adventure movie that already came out? Like really, if people are that easily pleased by movies these days, why don't they just watch older movies and shows of the same genre and save themselves money in the process?

Which is honestly my only real issue with Lens-Flare Star Trek, or even Star Trek: Woke.
I don't care this shit exists. I care they are trying to piggyback it on the back of existing franchises to change the tone.
As others have said, the nuTrilogy just completely undoes the previous 6 films.

Same with gender ans race swapping comic characters. Just make your fucking own shit, FFS.
Using Hunger Games again as an example again,strong female protagonist who was interesting in her own right and it didn't need to pander to nostalgia or bait & switch to get people to buy books and put butts in seats.


$90 million opening day. Ugh. I was hoping it would only make Justice League numbers. Maybe WOM can kill this film before it becomes too profitable, but at the same time, it seems clear that whoever is going to see this will be undeterred by any reviews.

Disney cannot let this flop. They will do whatever they need to, short of actually making a good movie, to get this to just about a billion.
What you are seeing is a lot of Disney buying their own tickets, or offering discount tickets to employees & partners.

I was sort of hoping for a write off, but this is about what I figured we'd see. The interesting thing will be to see the totally weekend box office for all films, and what % of the take Star Wars got.
 
Rogue one was at least something similar to traditional Star War movie that we are used to: Small band of fuckups has to go in against all odds and get a McGuffin that can help do a Thing Somewhere else. It's a side story and it fits. Things move around the main fuckups that normally are going to occur and they barely make it out only to die in the end. There's a beginning, a middle, and an end and everyone's arc is completed at the conclusion of the story.

Hence, people find Rogue One as a 'satisfying' movie but not an "OMG THIS IS BESTEST STAR WARS!!111!" It's a side tale and entertaining.

I wish I liked Rogue One more than I do because there was a lot to like about the movie, lots of really cool, striking visuals.

The trouble is the characters all fell so flat for me, it's much like the director's Godzilla movie in that way, except it was a little better in Godzilla because the main cast was simply not as large and the supporting cast was strong.
 
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I don't particularly like Rogue One but I agree with sentiment. They have much material they can base an adaptation on. They could take near any genre of film and paint it in Star Wars and generate new success. What I would like to see, which we'll not ever, is the return of Kyle Katarn in a one-off based on his past appearances.

Rogue One had two problems. The first problem was that the movie makes no sense by itself and relies on you being a nostalgic star wars fan to carry you over its glaring plot inconsistencies. The other problem is the character to Jyn Erso is another Kathleen Kennedy self-insert Mary Sue that has skills and capabilities that are never limited by any sort of rules and are busted out as the plot dictates, and everyone loves her and she is perfect.

Maximum cringe. The first time Luke showed up at Yavin base they stuck him in the back of the room and rolled their eyes when he talked about shooting vermin on his farm.

Rogue Ones only redeeming feature is that it does not fuck with the Star Wars Lore, and in fact builds on it by closing a loophole in New Hope. The biggest one in fact. Why the fuck did this massive battlestation have such a glaring design flaw?
 
It's almost like there were a bunch of people who said "I know it's gonna be bad, but I want to see just how bad," and then paid the rat for the privilege.

And there are quite a lot of you in this thread...

Well if you don't consume product, there might not be any new product to get excited about.
 
Rogue Ones only redeeming feature is that it does not fuck with the Star Wars Lore, and in fact builds on it by closing a loophole in New Hope. The biggest one in fact. Why the fuck did this massive battlestation have such a glaring design flaw?
We've actually covered this with incredible detail before in this thread, and how its actually not a flaw. All Rogue One does is add to the problems. I can try and find one of the previous posts made by others in this thread because I'm sure no one here wants to go through the trouble of writing another TL;DR post for the fourth time. I think it was @RomanesEuntDomus who made the posts but I can't be sure, so I'll have to check. Also, all the film seems to do is present another glaring story flaw in its end regarding Vader and the Tantive IV which someone else also covered. Give me a few minutes and I can try and find the post in question.

But before I do that, I'll just say that the film had promise (and its tie-in novel by Luceno was more interesting to me than the film itself) but its most glaring flaw was its characters which quite frankly are all dull and forgettable, made all the more worse by how bloated the cast is, and the only memorable one ends up being the droid. There's several other problems, but I'd just rather repost what's been said before in this thread than needlessly waste time with repetitive TL;DRs, so give me a minute.

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Or if you don't want to read through walls of boring text, here's a fairly popular Plinkett impersonator giving a very detailed analysis and critical review of RO and its inconsistencies.
 
Oh, has anybody pointed out how in Rise of Skywalker, the bad guys redirect the nav signal for the Star Destroyers to come from the command ship, but then when the good guys ride on their space horses to get to that one (Christ almighty, lol) the bad guys then don't think "OK, they've trapped themselves, no redirect the signal back to the original tower".
 
Maximum cringe. The first time Luke showed up at Yavin base they stuck him in the back of the room and rolled their eyes when he talked about shooting vermin on his farm.

Right - it's clear no one takes him seriously because he's some yokel from a backwoods hick town with no training. And the sequence keeps cutting to Han and Chewie thinking 'this is a suicide mission'. It builds up tension.


And even the CG animation that plays on the screen was technically pretty challenging for the time


Larry Cuba video on how he did the animation

 
so there's the argument going around that "episode 9 was bad because of the fans"

so therefore every good movie is good because of the fans too

did you like 7 and 8? don't give credit to jj and rian, that was the fans doing it.
The argument is being made for corporate worshipping cargo cultists in birdcage liner companies, I mean "news" who are trying to rationalize why they are being purged by the Rat when it comes to appeal.

That and these cunts are still angry people can find joy, even if it's in watching their childhood legacies getting nuked by people who just don't show up to these shit reboots.
 
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