Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[LORD IMPERATOR]

@LORD IMPERATOR I can see the headline now:

"Kevin Conroy is sorely missed but was he really the LGBTQIA+ DC icon we all remember fondly? We mustn't forget that he never pushed for a gay Batman."

I can totally see that happening. Even the dead are not safe from SJW attacks. Just ask all the dead Confederate generals whose statues they had taken down.

 

[Manly_Brony]

I can totally see that happening. Even the dead are not safe from SJW attacks. Just ask all the dead Confederate generals whose statues they had taken down.

There's no need to go back that far. John Wayne has been a HVT for years because of the famous/infamous 1971 Playboy interview and because he was a staunch supporter of blacklisting. I'm sure glad he was completely wrong about Commies running Hollywood!

 

[Mississippi Motorboater]

I'm not disagreeing there. She's like a mix of a YA novel protagonist, a fanfic character, a Disney princess.

Her interactions with Kylo definitely stink of menses-stained YA romance novel tripe.

I mean, fuck, just take a gander at the prose and writing style used in the godawful novelization for the Rise of Skywalker when Kylo brings her back to life and subsequently dies. This shit reads like a lost page from Stephanie Meyer's masterbatory vampire fiction.

 

[Manly_Brony]

Her interactions with Kylo definitely stink of menses-stained YA romance novel tripe.

I mean, fuck, just take a gander at the prose and writing style used in the godawful novelization for the Rise of Skywalker when Kylo brings her back to life and subsequently dies. This shit reads like a lost page from Stephanie Meyer's masterbatory vampire fiction.

And I thought Truce at Bakura and Courtship were cheesy...

 

[Gondolindrim]

@LORD IMPERATOR
That trial is one of a number of story arcs where it was really clear to me that the writers will fuck over anyone and everyone to prop up Ahsoka as a character. Suddenly the Jedi are the bad guys and corrupt for not believing her wholeheartedly and trying to get to the bottom of the issue. They rewrote Barriss Offee entirely to make her a villain, unprompted just so Ahsoka could look so much more righteous by leaving the order instead becoming a dark sider or something.

Then they topped themselves with the series finale a few seasons later.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

@LORD IMPERATOR
That trial is one of a number of story arcs where it was really clear to me that the writers will fuck over anyone and everyone to prop up Ahsoka as a character. Suddenly the Jedi are the bad guys and corrupt for not believing her wholeheartedly and trying to get to the bottom of the issue. They rewrote Barriss Offee entirely to make her a villain, unprompted just so Ahsoka could look so much more righteous by leaving the order instead becoming a dark sider or something.

Then they topped themselves with the series finale a few seasons later.
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Once again, Ahsoka is mad that Kenobi doesn't want to help a terrorist who slapped her ass. Or that Kenobi is prioritizing the safety not just of the Chancellor, but of the 1 trillion people who live on Coruscant, over the whims and needs of some Space Wahhabi group that wants to attack the Clone Wars equivalent of Switzerland, which at the time, remained neutral. Filoni's way of having Ahsoka critique the Jedi for being political is to inadvertently make them responsible to the law and the people of the Galactic Republic. How the hell are the Jedi corrupt if that's how they're portrayed? They don't want to attack neutral nations, they submit themselves to the rule of law, and they allow one of their own to be tried like a regular citizen. That isn't corruption; that's called being a responsible member of society.

It's in the same vein where Andor and the Bad Batch accidentally made the Empire look good. They don't patrol every world they own, they delegate power to local entities, they weren't autistic about stamping out rebels until the rebels kept poking them, and they ended the clone trooper program that created literal child slave-soldiers (the clones are ten years old when they enter the battlefield) and replaced it with a recruitment system where willing adults sign up for the military. The new canon's way of portraying the Jedi and the Empire as corrupt accidentally made these powers look more ethical and responsible than what the narrative insists.

 

[Rome's rightful successor]

@LORD IMPERATOR
That trial is one of a number of story arcs where it was really clear to me that the writers will fuck over anyone and everyone to prop up Ahsoka as a character. Suddenly the Jedi are the bad guys and corrupt for not believing her wholeheartedly and trying to get to the bottom of the issue. They rewrote Barriss Offee entirely to make her a villain, unprompted just so Ahsoka could look so much more righteous by leaving the order instead becoming a dark sider or something.

Then they topped themselves with the series finale a few seasons later.
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Once again, Ahsoka is mad that Kenobi doesn't want to help a terrorist who slapped her ass. Or that Kenobi is prioritizing the safety not just of the Chancellor, but of the 1 trillion people who live on Coruscant, over the whims and needs of some Space Wahhabi group that wants to attack the Clone Wars equivalent of Switzerland, which at the time, remained neutral. Filoni's way of having Ahsoka critique the Jedi for being political is to inadvertently make them responsible to the law and the people of the Galactic Republic. How the hell are the Jedi corrupt if that's how they're portrayed? They don't want to attack neutral nations, they submit themselves to the rule of law, and they allow one of their own to be tried like a regular citizen. That isn't corruption; that's called being a responsible member of society.

It's in the same vein where Andor and the Bad Batch accidentally made the Empire look good. They don't patrol every world they own, they delegate power to local entities, they weren't autistic about stamping out rebels until the rebels kept poking them, and they ended the clone trooper program that created literal child slave-soldiers (the clones are ten years old when they enter the battlefield) and replaced it with a recruitment system where willing adults sign up for the military. The new canon's way of portraying the Jedi and the Empire as corrupt accidentally made these powers look more ethical and responsible than what the narrative insists.

I like how Ahsoka sides with Bo-Katan almost without hesitation despite the last time she saw her was when Bo Katan was apart of a terrorist group that massacred a village of innocent people that she witnessed.
But "muh death watch is no more" and "we really got to take out Darth Maul".

 

[Mississippi Motorboater]

And I thought Truce at Bakura and Courtship were cheesy...

Hey! I will suffer no slander of Courtship of Princess Leia on MY watch. We got the Witches of Dathomir out of that glorious acid trip of a book, in all of their gorgeous, Rancor-riding glory.

Oh, and lest we forget the greatest legacy of Courtship; recurring Jedi student of Luke's Jedi Academy, Tenel Ka Djo--the amazonian Dathomiri girl who embraced a training injury to become a one-armed saber duelist, replete with a fucking rancor tooth lightsaber hilt.

Disney has not and never will produce anything that metal in their defanged snoozefest of a continuity.

@LORD IMPERATOR
That trial is one of a number of story arcs where it was really clear to me that the writers will fuck over anyone and everyone to prop up Ahsoka as a character. Suddenly the Jedi are the bad guys and corrupt for not believing her wholeheartedly and trying to get to the bottom of the issue. They rewrote Barriss Offee entirely to make her a villain, unprompted just so Ahsoka could look so much more righteous by leaving the order instead becoming a dark sider or something.

Then they topped themselves with the series finale a few seasons later.
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UGH. I remember wanting to punch a hole through my screen during that asinine part of the TCW finale. If you ever wanted a perfect display of Filoni's utterly disastrous narrative impulses, this right here is it. It's not enough that he bent time and space to protect his shitty Pet Character from death and have returned dressed up as Gandalf the White, but then he goes back and tries to recontextualize Revenge of the Sith to make that stupid orange bitch to be some kind of moral paragon to the main characters of the fucking film. This is in the same ballpark as that attention-seeking emo chick on Wattpad who writes her Harry Potter fanfic starring a shameless Self-Insert OC that's doe-eyed, angelic, prettier than all the other established female characters, who are of course written completely out of character in order to be bitch and jealous of our heroine, in a sad attempt to create sympathy and morally validate her.

The only difference is that most of the girls that play out their fantasies in the fanfic realm of Harry Potter or Kingdom Hearts or whatever the fuck eventually hit adulthood and grow out of it.

Dave Filoni is a flabby, greying 50-year-old man and he still writes like this without an ounce of self-awareness or restraint.

 

[Manly_Brony]

Hey! I will suffer no slander of Courtship of Princess Leia on MY watch. We got the Witches of Dathomir out of that glorious acid trip of a book, in all of their gorgeous, Rancor-riding glory.

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Oh, and lest we forget the greatest legacy of Courtship; recurring Jedi student of Luke's Jedi Academy, Tenel Ka Djo--the amazonian Dathomiri girl who embraced a training injury to become a one-armed saber duelist, replete with a fucking rancor tooth lightsaber hilt.

Disney has not and never will produce anything that metal in their defanged snoozefest of a continuity.

Don't worry, I liked the non-romantic parts. But the love story was definitely not for pre-teen me who still regarded girls as icky.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

I like how Ahsoka sides with Bo-Katan almost without hesitation despite the last time she saw her was when Bo Katan was apart of a terrorist group that massacred a village of innocent people that she witnessed.

Ahsoka's first day with Bo-Katan was having Bo slap her ass, having them show that the Mandalorians that Bo-Katan works with use slave labor, and having said Mandos blowtorch a village despite them keeping their side of the deal. Truly, that is someone to die for.

But "muh death watch is no more" and "we really got to take out Darth Maul".

Which makes no sense. There's no proof for the former, and the latter, well, Maul really isn't doing anything that should warrant the wrath of the Republic. Satine was not loyal to the Republic, nor was she even an ally to it, and Maul really hasn't done anything bad to the Mandalorians; all he did was provide sterner leadership than Satine and have his criminal goons provide them with supplies and credits. (Clearly they did get more supplies and credits, if they could afford to equip a large Mandalorian force like what we saw in Season 7) So Maul really wasn't worth taking out, not while the war was going on.

 

[TheAmbiguousLurker]

Which makes no sense. There's no proof for the former, and the latter, well, Maul really isn't doing anything that should warrant the wrath of the Republic. Satine was not loyal to the Republic, nor was she even an ally to it, and Maul really hasn't done anything bad to the Mandalorians; all he did was provide sterner leadership than Satine and have his criminal goons provide them with supplies and credits. (Clearly they did get more supplies and credits, if they could afford to equip a large Mandalorian force like what we saw in Season 7) So Maul really wasn't worth taking out, not while the war was going on.

And it's not like Maul invaded and usurped the government, he earned the throne via completely legitimate means by Mandalorian culture and it was accepted. The story basically wants to shame the republic for not invading and attacking a neutral planet, with a legitimate leader, that hasn't shown any active hostility yet because Bo-Kotan and her terrorists are butthurt when Mandalorian tradition doesn't work in their favour, like a little shit calling in their mom when they're not winning the fight they started. Well, until years later the Mandalorian show needs drama so suddenly Bo is like 'Oh noes, I can't accept the dark saber without killing you first even though neither you or Gideon killed the holder to get ownership in the first place!'.

 

[Gondolindrim]

Hey! I will suffer no slander of Courtship of Princess Leia on MY watch. We got the Witches of Dathomir out of that glorious acid trip of a book, in all of their gorgeous, Rancor-riding glory.

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Oh, and lest we forget the greatest legacy of Courtship; recurring Jedi student of Luke's Jedi Academy, Tenel Ka Djo--the amazonian Dathomiri girl who embraced a training injury to become a one-armed saber duelist, replete with a fucking rancor tooth lightsaber hilt.

Disney has not and never will produce anything that metal in their defanged snoozefest of a continuity.


UGH. I remember wanting to punch a hole through my screen during that asinine part of the TCW finale. If you ever wanted a perfect display of Filoni's utterly disastrous narrative impulses, this right here is it. It's not enough that he bent time and space to protect his shitty Pet Character from death and have returned dressed up as Gandalf the White, but then he goes back and tries to recontextualize Revenge of the Sith to make that stupid orange bitch to be some kind of moral paragon to the main characters of the fucking film. This is in the same ballpark as that attention-seeking emo chick on Wattpad who writes her Harry Potter fanfic starring a shameless Self-Insert OC that's doe-eyed, angelic, prettier than all the other established female characters, who are of course written completely out of character in order to be bitch and jealous of our heroine, in a sad attempt to create sympathy and morally validate her.

The only difference is that most of the girls that play out their fantasies in the fanfic realm of Harry Potter or Kingdom Hearts or whatever the fuck eventually hit adulthood and grow out of it.

Dave Filoni is a flabby, greying 50-year-old man and he still writes like this without an ounce of self-awareness or restraint.

It also doesn't help that the Battle of Mandalore was an orgy of plot armor because everyone involved went on to become a fucking reoccuring character in other shows. There were no stakes, like at all. It was 2 hours of Filoni making his OCs look good. But yeah, recontextualizing ROTS was the last straw for me because Ahsoka couldn't just be at home watching TV or something during Order 66. Oh no, she was off being super epic and badass fighting Darth Maul on Mandalore and also somehow knew instinctively that Order 66 was going down even though Yoda is canonically the only Jedi that had any idea of what was happening.

I like how Ahsoka sides with Bo-Katan almost without hesitation despite the last time she saw her was when Bo Katan was apart of a terrorist group that massacred a village of innocent people that she witnessed.
But "muh death watch is no more" and "we really got to take out Darth Maul".

I like how Bo-Katan's Death Watch (which they don't call death watch anymore but is clearly made up of the same people) and Maul's Supercommandos are literally the exact same. The only difference is that we're told Bo-Katan is good now, so we have to take her side no question. It "helps" that the writers went to great pains to immasculate the Mandalorians and make them look like a bunch of pussies. A far cry from the KOTOR versions of the character who were assholes and proud of it. So of course Ahsoka would side with them, they're a cucked version of something cool from the EU. It's fanservice and rehabilitation all at once.

More than anything else, I hate how Anakin and Obi-Wan are portrayed as being selfish somehow for going off to save the chancellor of the republic. Like, Ahsoka ceased to be a character in that movie-thing and just became a walking author tract where Filoni and whoever else just wanted to rant about how evil the Jedi were, based on information that she couldn't possibly know. Like it's implied that she knows somehow that Palpatine is a bad guy but then she gets mad that the council is forcing Anakin to spy on him...like what? Pick a characterization, do you hate the Republic or want to go back to it?

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

And it's not like Maul invaded and usurped the government, he earned the throne via completely legitimate means by Mandalorian culture and it was accepted. The story basically wants to shame the republic for not invading and attacking a neutral planet, with a legitimate leader, that hasn't shown any active hostility yet because Bo-Kotan and her terrorists are butthurt when Mandalorian tradition doesn't work in their favour, like a little shit calling in their mom when they're not winning the fight they started.

Exactly. Maul was no usurper, he didn't come to power via an illegitimate coup. He won his crown using their laws, and he is their rightful ruler. What he did to Satine was horrible, but last I checked, Bo-Katan was OK with Pre Vizsla siccing assassins to kill Satine in the first place, so that's not something unique to Maul. They only signed on with Maul because Satine was too big of a target for the Death Watch to take on their own. They literally took Maul in because they wanted to depose Satine and saw him as a useful tool for it.

Filoni also can't explain why Bo-Katan went from following Pre Vizsla to helping Satine outside of "hurr durr, Maul sucks". If they wanted us to sympathize with her, they need a moment to show Bo-Katan regretting joining Pre Vizsla and admitting her faults to Obi-Wan, who was Satine's closest friend. I found it funny when in Rebels, Bo-Katan gets pissy with Sabine designing an anti-beskar weapon in her Imperial days and naming it after Satine, but Bo-Katan's deeds in TCW prior to Season 5 means that she has no moral ground to stand on.

I remember laughing to myself when Vito Gesualdi complained that Bo-Katan duping Mando during their mission together on the Imperial transport (when she changed their mission parameters to seizing control of the transport) means that she's not a heroic character, to which he got a ton of replies along the lines of "LOL, Bo-Katan is no hero, she's a space terrorist."

Well, until years later the Mandalorian show needs drama so suddenly Bo is like 'Oh noes, I can't accept the dark saber without killing you first even though neither you or Gideon killed the holder to get ownership in the first place!'.

At least Mando kicked Gideon's ass. And it's probable that Gideon probably kicked Bo-Katan's ass, took the blade, and then spared her as a way to shame her. Which is probably why she's really angry about it and wants the Darksaber back so badly.

It also doesn't help that the Battle of Mandalore was an orgy of plot armor because everyone involved went on to become a fucking reoccuring character in other shows. There were no stakes, like at all. It was 2 hours of Filoni making his OCs look good. But yeah, recontextualizing ROTS was the last straw for me because Ahsoka couldn't just be at home watching TV or something during Order 66. Oh no, she was off being super epic and badass fighting Darth Maul on Mandalore and also somehow knew instinctively that Order 66 was going down even though Yoda is canonically the only Jedi that had any idea of what was happening.

It should've taken place before Episode III. Have it so that Ahsoka meets with Anakin and Obi-Wan during the Outer Rim Sieges, and have them give Ahsoka a detachment of soldiers to take Mandalore. Then when Ahsoka and Bo-Katan need more reinforcements to finish off Maul, they get in contact with Admiral Yularen, who tells them that he can't reinforce them because he, Anakin, and Obi-Wan are fighting in Coruscant to save the Chancellor and repel the Separatist forces from the city-world. Also, Ahsoka should've never been a target for Order 66. Sidious' main plan with getting Anakin on his side was so he can use the Dark Side to save/protect his loved ones like Padme, and attacking friends of Anakin like Ahsoka would just ensure that the young Darth Vader would just add Sidious to the kill list once he gets back home from Mustafar.

I like how Bo-Katan's Death Watch (which they don't call death watch anymore but is clearly made up of the same people) and Maul's Supercommandos are literally the exact same. The only difference is that we're told Bo-Katan is good now, so we have to take her side no question. It "helps" that the writers went to great pains to immasculate the Mandalorians and make them look like a bunch of pussies. A far cry from the KOTOR versions of the character who were assholes and proud of it. So of course Ahsoka would side with them, they're a cucked version of something cool from the EU. It's fanservice and rehabilitation all at once.

Every version of the Mandalorians past the KOTOR days were losers. The True Mandalorians were lemmings who got lured into a false job offer more than once and got nearly annihilated for it. Death Watch are either cowards or terrorists, pick your poison. Republic Commando Mandalorians are whiny bitches. KOTOR Mandalorians were basically Tarkin meets Boba Fett, taking Fett's love of unrestrained violence and applying it to entire races or worlds, which made them terrifying and awesome.

More than anything else, I hate how Anakin and Obi-Wan are portrayed as being selfish somehow for going off to save the chancellor of the republic. Like, Ahsoka ceased to be a character in that movie-thing and just became a walking author tract where Filoni and whoever else just wanted to rant about how evil the Jedi were, based on information that she couldn't possibly know. Like it's implied that she knows somehow that Palpatine is a bad guy but then she gets mad that the council is forcing Anakin to spy on him...like what? Pick a characterization, do you hate the Republic or want to go back to it?

And again, that just makes the Jedi more responsible than Ahsoka. She wants to go help a terrorist who slapped her ass once and blowtorched a village, all to attack a man who's not bothering anyone and who earned his crown legitimately. The Jedi want to save the leader of their government and the 1 trillion people in the capital planet. Ahsoka bitching about them abandoning Bo-Katan's people rings hollow when Bo has no people, she just has some exiles who were rightfully kicked out of their planet for not accepting the legitimate ruler. Hell, if they wanted the Republic's aid, how's about helping them rescue their chancellor? I'm sure you can beg Palpatine for a spare clone legion or two if you personally aided in saving his scrawny hide. Then you'll have more than enough manpower to flush Maul out of his bolthole on Mandalore.

 

[TheAmbiguousLurker]

@LORD IMPERATOR

Sidious' main plan with getting Anakin on his side was so he can use the Dark Side to save/protect his loved ones like Padme, and attacking friends of Anakin like Ahsoka would just ensure that the young Darth Vader would just add Sidious to the kill list once he gets back home from Mustafar.

To be fair, Sidious' main plan doesn't even include Anakin. Anakin's fall was ultimately a bonus to make hunting down the remaining jedi easier, dude didn't factor into Sidious's victory outside of saving him from Windu which was a situation Anakin created. He's like the completion bonus, you don't need to get that extra percent to finish the game, but you do it to get the true ending.

I mean, Ahsoka's death wouldn't exactly arouse any suspicion on Anakin's end. From Sidious's point of view, he wouldn't find out that Ahsoka was involved in the shit going down on Mandalore and not getting drunk into some nowhere back alley until after Order 66 had already gone through. Also, Sidious was on the kill list. Anakin was fully planning on usurping Sidious and taking control of the Empire until Obi-Wan made him a cripple now reliant on Palpatine. Truly, Kenobi was Sidious's secret ally all along!

Now that I think about it, I wonder how long Palpatine thought he'd be able to lead Anakin on with the promise of forbidden knowledge before Anakin would just snap. Dude ain't exactly known for patience.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

@LORD IMPERATOR
To be fair, Sidious' main plan doesn't even include Anakin. Anakin's fall was ultimately a bonus to make hunting down the remaining jedi easier, dude didn't factor into Sidious's victory outside of saving him from Windu which was a situation Anakin created. He's like the completion bonus, you don't need to get that extra percent to finish the game, but you do it to get the true ending.

Not quite. Episode III revealed that killing the Jedi was just a sidequest; Palpatine's true motives were forming the Empire and attaining immortality, and getting Anakin to help him replicate Plagueis' experiments were key in the latter regard. Not to mention that having the Hero with No Fear serving as the Empire's propaganda man would solidify its popularity among the people, since Anakin prior to Order 66 was basically a popular hero among the commonfolk.

I mean, Ahsoka's death wouldn't exactly arouse any suspicion on Anakin's end. From Sidious's point of view, he wouldn't find out that Ahsoka was involved in the shit going down on Mandalore and not getting drunk into some nowhere back alley until after Order 66 had already gone through. Also, Sidious was on the kill list. Anakin was fully planning on usurping Sidious and taking control of the Empire until Obi-Wan made him a cripple now reliant on Palpatine. Truly, Kenobi was Sidious's secret ally all along!

Anakin told Padme he could overthrow Sidious, but I'd say that he'd only do that AFTER he's learned everything from the old man. Gotta learn how to save Padme, after all!

Now that I think about it, I wonder how long Palpatine thought he'd be able to lead Anakin on with the promise of forbidden knowledge before Anakin would just snap. Dude ain't exactly known for patience.

Like I said, until Anakin learns everything he needs from Sidious. And if Sidious holds out, Anakin would snap him in half.

 

[Ensok]

even though Yoda is canonically the only Jedi that had any idea of what was happening.

That's what annoyed me about the beginning of Fallen Order.

 

[Mr. 0]

Anakin told Padme he could overthrow Sidious, but I'd say that he'd only do that AFTER he's learned everything from the old man. Gotta learn how to save Padme, after all!

Like I said, until Anakin learns everything he needs from Sidious. And if Sidious holds out, Anakin would snap him in half.

This was more or less what he was plotting in the novelization

[insert excerpt here]

 

[ZMOT]

True, but James Cameron keeps making money every time I think his movies are going to fail. Avatar 3 might make less money but it won't fail.

doubt it will fail, but inevitably compared to 1 and 2. then avatar 5 gets quietly shelved and everything left put in 4.

I called Rey a Disney Princess in the eyes of Disney in the sense that she's meant to sell the Star Wars brand to young girls, the same way the princesses do. Disney trying to make Star Wars appeal to young girls was just dumb but that's another point. Some of the princesses have been two dimensional before, like the one from Sleeping Beauty and Pocahontas, but they've been forgotten. She has hopes and dreams (barely) a marketable sidekick, comes from royalty, and has two men running after her. The only thing she's missing is a song about what she wants in life.

that was always retarded because little girls don't care about star wars. what they could've gotten in return tho would've been the reylos-lite who just want some YA romance. even disney princesses end up with prince charming in the end.

If you're talking about Elsa you're right that she doesn't do anything truly villainous in the movie. I think in the first one after being attacked by the village or whatever she runs away and accidentally freezes her sister, but the difference is that this is played off as a sad moment and they reconnect with each other immediately after she unthaws with the power of love. Then they all live happily ever after. I wouldn't consider Elsa a great character. I also hate Rey and think giving her some retarded Vader-like redemption would be awful, and they'd never kill her off.

What the fans were asking was for Rey to pull an Anakin, say fuck it, get with Kylo and become an antagonist like Kylo was in TFA. What I'm saying is that Disney would never do this because they can't sell t-shirts to little girls with an evil bitch on them as female empowerment. That's why Elsa was never truly evil either.

that's why rey going with kylo would've been so fucking easy - you see she was never truly evil, it was all just a ploy to save him and turn him do the light side! since she never does anything really evil she doesn't even need a redemption arc or is in danger to get killed (she's the most badassested force user ever anyway), she was always good! it would even make him sacrificing himself make more sense.

it still wouldn't be high quality, but anything than the shit we got would've been an improvement. what I'm trying to say is there was plenty of leeway to hit all the checkboxes they wanted to hit, if the people involved had an ounce of competence.

What I'm saying is that Disney would never do this because they can't sell t-shirts to little girls with an evil bitch on them as female empowerment. That's why Elsa was never truly evil either.

maleficent and all the other "misunderstood villains" stuff they put out exists tho.

 

[Inafune Fanfiction]

It also doesn't help that the Battle of Mandalore was an orgy of plot armor because everyone involved went on to become a fucking reoccuring character in other shows. There were no stakes, like at all. It was 2 hours of Filoni making his OCs look good. But yeah, recontextualizing ROTS was the last straw for me because Ahsoka couldn't just be at home watching TV or something during Order 66. Oh no, she was off being super epic and badass fighting Darth Maul on Mandalore and also somehow knew instinctively that Order 66 was going down even though Yoda is canonically the only Jedi that had any idea of what was happening.

I like how Bo-Katan's Death Watch (which they don't call death watch anymore but is clearly made up of the same people) and Maul's Supercommandos are literally the exact same. The only difference is that we're told Bo-Katan is good now, so we have to take her side no question. It "helps" that the writers went to great pains to immasculate the Mandalorians and make them look like a bunch of pussies. A far cry from the KOTOR versions of the character who were assholes and proud of it. So of course Ahsoka would side with them, they're a cucked version of something cool from the EU. It's fanservice and rehabilitation all at once.

More than anything else, I hate how Anakin and Obi-Wan are portrayed as being selfish somehow for going off to save the chancellor of the republic. Like, Ahsoka ceased to be a character in that movie-thing and just became a walking author tract where Filoni and whoever else just wanted to rant about how evil the Jedi were, based on information that she couldn't possibly know. Like it's implied that she knows somehow that Palpatine is a bad guy but then she gets mad that the council is forcing Anakin to spy on him...like what? Pick a characterization, do you hate the Republic or want to go back to it?

I still hold that Ahsoka should have died during order 66 as collateral damage further fueling his descent to the dark side since it was clear they weren't going to retcon her into the films as a cameo like Dash Rendar's outrider.

Also Tartakovsky's clone wars was better and more faithful to the films. Nothing as cool as a boarding action on a providence class carrier and commandeering it during the Battle of Coruscant happens in Ahsoka wars.

 

[Mississippi Motorboater]

Also Tartakovsky's clone wars was better and more faithful to the films. Nothing as cool as a boarding action on a providence class carrier and commandeering it during the Battle of Coruscant happens in Ahsoka wars.

Well, it also helps that it just serves as a better bridge between the films, as well as largely keeping the focus on---SHOCK! GASP!--the established characters of the movies like Anakin and Obi-Wan, with the only new characters introduced being obstacles for them to fight, such as Asajj Ventress and Durge.

Part of the reason TCW feels like nonsensical fanfiction is because so much of it becomes centered around Ahsoka by the end, that it becomes farcical. I just don't watch the films and believe for a second all these "ZOMG SUPER IMPORTANT EMOTIONAL MOMENTS" happened off-screen between Anakin and some bitch who's never been brought up once in the actual movies.

This is why both Genndy Wars and even something like Shadows of the Empire works, because the writers on both projects focused their efforts on embellishing elements that were already in the films, not going on some misguided creative rampage of pinching out OC's that rivaled Anakin or Luke in terms of galactic importance. Shadows, for instance, tries to explain the "how" and "why" for everything we see and hear in Return of the Jedi. Why don't the other Bounty Hunters like IG-88 and Bossk show up? How and why did those Bonthan Spies die? What did our heroes go through to find themselves where they were at ROTJ's start? Steve Perry and John Wagner worked these things out so intricately that when the film proper actually starts, you can see every narrative puzzle piece they've worked into changing the new way you see familiar elements on-screen, to where you can believably buy into the larger narrative they've constructed out of even the smallest things like Leia's Boussh disguise or Luke's holographic recording threatening Jabba (which is intrinsically linked to how Perry decided to end the Shadows novel).

That is what actual care and restraint looks like, as opposed to the autistic narrative wrecking ball of far less talented writers like Henry Gilroy and Dave Filoni...which, frankly, do more to undermine the films than to compliment them.