Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[Polyboros2]

Just to be sure, they were 100 percent serious? I want to be sure before I say anything more

I watched the entire video. Yes they like it, Jay seems to be the least positive but still over all likes it. They repeatedly make fun of cheap and dumb segments, but they appreciate lame incompetent Kenobi(they state he's an awful character and only like Ewan McGregor), they are fine with things looking cheap cause it's more OT, they like seeing McGregor killing Stormtroopers that are there instead of CGI Clonetroopers cause that is PT. The terribly choreography is good cause PT choreography is over done. Also it's not as terrible as Picard, and they aren't invested in Star Wars anymore, so they can enjoy it. They compared it to Mando season 1 in terms of quality.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

They're very inconsistent on the Empire's moral code now.

Originally they were white supremacists early on and super homophobic in early material like Chuck Windbag's books back around 2014-2015. View attachment 3397786
But the Empire ended up looking more diverse and inclusive than the Rebels to the point where Disney is making them look like the good guys now by even showing more civilians and aliens supporting them and actively snitching for them, especially in their new cartoons.

And the Empire under Disney has more gay and trans characters than the Rebels by now. Even the entirety of the Death Star is implied to be one giant gay club. And this wasn't a sudden switch since even in Chucky's book where he has the imperial characters talk about how homophobic the Empire is, the Paul S. Kemp novel released that same year had a female imperial be married to a fellow female officer. Only place where humanocentrism is even openly addressed is in the first Disney Thrawn book and comic and its never addressed again after that. Even the inquisitorium and intelligence bureau is all aliens now.

Even Disney's Resistance cartoon talks about how the Empire gave people jobs and how planets were ruined because of their fall and when it comes time for the writers to try and "disprove" it to one of the main characters, the best they can do is have the imp officer act more bossy. That and the fact that Disney had Palpatine win in the end just cements a really weird narrative they got going where they want to portray the empire as evil and parallels republicans, homophobes, etc, but they also want to make them inclusive, sympathetic and marketable.


Anyway, the official Star Wars Twitter account is imploding from negative feedback and trolls instead of just ignoring them.

Starting to remind me of the Tony the Tiger twitter drama.

It probably doesn't help that the Empire side of Star Wars does better in terms of merch and Disney itself is also an evil empire.

It further doesn't help that outside of Ahsoka, there are not many "interesting" alien characters in the rebels in the Disney era and there is more effort to make cool alien characters that support the evil government. Like the writing subjectively is a different story, but there is more effort put into an alien that works for the empire than an alien that supports the rebels.

 

[Creep3r]

It probably doesn't help that the Empire side of Star Wars does better in terms of merch and Disney itself is also an evil empire.

I think that's pretty much the entire reasoning for it.

It further doesn't help that outside of Ahsoka, there are not many "interesting" alien characters in the rebels in the Disney era and there is more effort to make cool alien characters that support the evil government. Like the writing subjectively is a different story, but there is more effort put into an alien that works for the empire than an alien that supports the rebels.

Ahsoka seems to be the only prominent alien outside of Baby Yeed. And there was that ugnaught guy but they quickly killed him off. Meanwhile the sequels didn't have a single alien main character except Chewbacca but even he's more of a pet than a character at this point.

The OG EU writers got that ball rolling, but the pre-PT 80ies and 90ies SW fanbase largely ignored it. Then the PT came out showing Palpatine having xeno homies so he and by extension the Empire don't hate all xenos just some of them. But the post PT EU writers just had to ignore George and stuck with the Empire hating all xenos again. With George not bothering to lower himself down to their level and strangle fuck the tardness out of them. Still the post PT 00ies and 10ies SW fan base mostly ignored the EU as it fucking with their Imperial happy fun times. And then Disney SW happened.....

Spoiler: Imps

George didn't mind having the Empire pick on droids and aliens and didn't do anything to stop it because he always saw the Empire as unapologetically evil and he especially liked using the wookiees as their punching bags to further his Vietnam narrative since as far back as the first draft. FFS the man saw the Emperor as a parallel to Richard Nixon and later George Bush, since he was your typical 70s liberal. The difference is that unlike Disney he knew not to project his beliefs into the franchise and kept the Nixon parallels unseen and the racism parallels reserved for droids, aliens, and alien on human bashing but never human on human skin color like Disney does. Ironically it was the EU that ended up making the empire more sympathetic despite their vices and justified discrimination.

Besides, the only fans who want a diverse empire are usually either "the empire did nothing wrong" autists who believe an organisation needs to be all inclusive to be sympathetic, wokesters who just want every organisation to feel inclusive and full of rainbows for ESG points, and finally the fags who get angry when told by the DM that they can't larp as a gray jedi or a wookiee stormtrooper complete with poorly fitting armor. If anything the EU went out of its way to still make the Empire and their humanocentrism look sympathetic and justified when compared to George or RO's view on them rather than always trying to make it look unjustified or use it in passing, especially in Dark Horse where they even portray them as the sympathetic party when invading a barbaric amani world in the Empire series or that the only reason the Empire harped on wookiees so much was because they were most openly rebellious and violent species, much like how people today are rightfully cautious of muslim immigrants.

But even then you can still have your alien imperials in whatever sw tabletop campaign you want if one is that determined to have them, just make sure the local system governor is a friendly fellow or that it takes place outside the galactic core where aliens are more common and where alien imperials showed up more often.

Then the PT came out showing Palpatine having xeno homies

Palpatine doesn't have homies. Only useful tools. Even Mas Amedda (the blue horned guy) was pushed to the side once the Empire established itself and Sly Moore the gray bitch just died and who Palpatine only used for her mind reading abilities.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

Ahsoka seems to be the only prominent alien outside of Baby Yeed. And there was that ugnaught guy but they quickly killed him off. Meanwhile the sequels didn't have a single alien main character except Chewbacca but even he's more of a pet than a character at this point.

Pretty much like the only prominent alien characters that support the rebels are just the main characters in the Space Aladdin show while there is more of a representation of Aliens supporting the Empire either as Inquisitors like in Fallen Order or Kenobi, or as bounty hunters.

Unintentionally makes it look like Palpatine is more respectful to aliens than the entire Rebel Alliance or "RESISTANCE!"

 

[Bulk Bogan]

Palps himself was never a xeno-hater, he just larped as one because he liked using the xenophobia angle to divide the peoples of the Empire against one another. Human supremacy comes from the fact that roughly 60% of the galaxy's sentient population is human, and many of the Republic founding dynasties were human. The whole "Empire doesn't like women" thing came from kinda dumb early EU comics iirc, and George always meant for it to be simply human supremacy. Black, white, male, female, as long as you're human you're gucci. This is why I don't have issues with lady Stormtroopers or whatever, the Empire always needs more (human) gunhands.

 

[Creep3r]

Pretty much like the only prominent alien characters that support the rebels are just the main characters in the Space Aladdin show while there is more of a representation of Aliens supporting the Empire either as Inquisitors like in Fallen Order or Kenobi, or as bounty hunters.

True, but even in Space Aladdin it felt like Ahsoka stole part of their thunder. Like did she even really need to be there? I know Dave could never kill off his waifu, but he could've just had her elsewhere protecting a village in secrecy or living as a hermit like all the other surviving jedi were doing. Instead she's one of the key founding figures of the Rebel Alliance and ends up having a big Gandalf comeback by the end which honestly mimics Force Unleashed's worst elements which goes hand in hand with Dave's video game writing style. She doesn't even have the excuse of being a lesser known jedi, padawan or agricorps reject who finally had her time to shine as a rebel figurheade after her media of origin ended since she was one of the most prominent jedi in Filoni Wars alongside the dude who would become Darth Fucking Vader.

She already had her moment in the sun, just give someone else a shot, but instead Space Aladdin ended up becoming a show of cameos and OT, PT and FW guest stars, including her former co-star Captain Rex becoming a main character again. Its like if they had made Dash Rendar the main protagonist or co-star of the New Jedi Order. He already had his time in the sun with Shadows of the Empire, now it was time for Han's kids to shine.

Unintentionally makes it look like Palpatine is more respectful to aliens than the entire Rebel Alliance or "RESISTANCE!"

Reminder that Disney made it so Palpatine won now. His granddaughter did exactly as he wanted and his bloodline now stands alone while those of his mortal enemies have banished along with all trace of the Republic.

 

[Shekelslovakia]

Even the entirety of the Death Star is implied to be one giant gay club.

That explains why it looks like a giant disco ball in space. LMAO!

 

[5t3n0g0ph3r]

The one line I liked about why anyone would willingly join The Empire comes from Star Wars: Rogue Squadron III Rebel Strike:
"The Empire maintains order. People like you, disrupt that order." - Sarkli, a Rebel who defects to the Empire in the game.
It's something in The Mandalorian that was done right.
It makes sense that scum like criminal syndicates or street thug gangs would take advantage of the chaos created by the Fall of the Empire (the Imperial Remnant squabbles didn't help, either).
Rebel Alliance/New Republic did not have the manpower ensure the average citizen would be caught in the power vacuum struggle.
Some Imperials probably had that foresight and desperately tried to squash the Rebellion quickly to prevent such a thing.
I know its a little nuance, but not every person who signed up in the Imperial Army were not genocidal maniacs (something rarely touched on in the Disney era, save for Solo).

 

[Manly_Brony]

One thing I find funny is how some of the people behind Modern Star Wars say the Empire is human supremacist yet we see a lot of aliens working high rank roles for them like Inquisitors or in the case of Thrawn.

They couldn't even get that down.

It was explained as Human centric back in the day. Grand Admiral Thrawn was the exception to the rule. The only other aliens working for the Empire I remember are the Ughnaughts, the Noghri, the Kubaz spy in Mos Eisley and the bounty hunters.

The thing I've found funny is that they decided to scrap the Imperial officer White men's club for some fucking reason. It's Battlefield 1 Germans all over again. I could kind of understand it in the sequels and you could argue that the Empire is similar to the Imperium of Man and has Non-White humans but please explain it! "Oh, you're from that jungle/desert planet and are part of that new female officer program? Nice. You may enter!" Or how the hell am I supposed to believe that a mystery meat female Rebel spy is able to infiltrate a base and impersonate an officer before the Battle of Yavin?

 

[Mississippi Motorboater]

Who actually treats them as the sole arbiters of SW though? I think their (decade old at this point) prequel analyses videos were spot on from a filmmaking industry pov, but that’s all they are: Cinema lovers who throw out their self-admitted half-baked takes on YouTube.

Spoiler: The Bleating of Internet Sheep

If RLM was just a running faucet of retarded takes, I think I could ignore them a lot easier. The problem is that, much like the knuckle-dragging retards behind The People v George Lucas, their SW videos have become instrumental in spreading the tired and easily-debunked information that an irritating chunk of the SW fandom has parroted for literal decades:

Star Wars being a happy accident that Lucas just lucked himself into?
ANH being saved in the edit by Marcia Lucas? ESB being the film Lucas was "least involved" with, (despite having to wrench control over production halfway into shooting)? The "original versions" of the OT hostage so Lucas can peddle the Special Editions? Lucas surrounding himself with "Yes" men and being the sole writer & director outside of nothing but ego? Go through all of those, and tell me how many of those are frequent talking points in the myriad of SW videos they've made, and are consistently bandied about by fans that heard them there first.

You can argue that RLM was not the sole originator of these leaps of fan-driven misinformation, but they sure as fuck magnified them to the point where they were considered the "uncontested truth" about Lucas and the franchise for years, which isn't helped by the fact that they've done absolutely nothing to correct all that misinformation in subsequent videos. To this day, most fans eschew any and all research on the production history of the PT when critiquing it, resorting simply to "lol, watch the Plinkett Reviews, they explain everything."

There's no small irony in the fact that for all their reputation as "movie buffs" and "cinema lovers", RLM's insight on Star Wars is arguably some of the least-informed and poorly-researched on the internet. But that hasn't stopped every chest-slapping, mouth-breathing OT Purist from regurgitating the literal head-canon of Star Wars' production history bandied about in every SW-related video RLM churns out.

Because neither RLM nor their fanbase care about being accurate or informed. They care about vindicating their hatred of Lucas...no matter how much of it is built on lies and internet hearsay.

Which is funny, because Disney Drones employ the same tactic in order to justify their consooming the current canon by repeatedly bleating about how "Disney saved SW from irrelevance" and "the EU was 80% garbage"...based on nothing but misinformation and hearsay.

Definitely an interesting bleed-over when it comes to herd mentality, I must say.

 

[Creep3r]

Apparently a new Disney+ show is being made but it wasn't announced anywhere outside of a little showcase on SW.com.

https://web.archive.org/web/20220527003823/https://www.starwars.com/news/swca-2022-20-highlights-from-lucasfilms-studio-showcase

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Star_Wars:_Skeleton_Crew

Talk about an uneventful reveal. Yet news articles are just calling it "secretive".

"It's the story of their journey trying to find their way home. It stars four kids, but it is not a kids show."

"Star Wars: Skeleton Crew, an Original series starring Jude Law, from executive producers Jon Watts, Christopher Ford, Jon Favreau and Dave Filoni, is streaming in 2023 only on @DisneyPlus."

Forgive my lack of optimism but it convinces me even more than ever that they're trying to force the whole Star Wars Babies/Star Wars Kidz Club as the new direction for the franchise but with "mature" Filoni video game writing. Its also another post-ROTJ story because they either want to keep forcing a cinematic universe where all the main shows take place around the same period so they can have a forced MCU-style crossover or they're too cheap and lazy to build new sets so they want to recycle assets from the Mandalorian and Book of Bob.

Another codename for the show is "Grammar Rodeo" that makes me think they'll be doing another western on... Tatooine.

 

[Shekelslovakia]

Another codename for the show is "Grammar Rodeo" that makes me think they'll be doing another western on... Tatooine.

Well as the curtains match the drapes, just as Star Wars belongs to Disney: "It truly is a small world (universe) after all."

 

[robobobo]

The Empire was just an outgrowth of the Republic, I doubt the life of the average jerk changed to an appreciable extent. It was the same government they'd had running the show for longer than any living history, I don't expect the man on the street felt any burning desire to go and bomb the local grocery store over it. The Jedi were gone? Most people went their whole lives without ever seeing one, who cares. I think that mole dude in Kenobi was a fair representation of the average joe under the Empire: he was still doing his thing, had an okay relationship with the local imps, and didn't rock the boat.

 

[Creep3r]

The Empire was just an outgrowth of the Republic, I doubt the life of the average jerk changed to an appreciable extent. It was the same government they'd had running the show for longer than any living history, I don't expect the man on the street felt any burning desire to go and bomb the local grocery store over it. The Jedi were gone? Most people went their whole lives without ever seeing one, who cares. I think that mole dude in Kenobi was a fair representation of the average joe under the Empire: he was still doing his thing, had an okay relationship with the local imps, and didn't rock the boat.

You'd be surprised.

And while imperial sympathizers have always existed, making the "mole" a literal mole is so obnoxiously on the nose I can't even take it seriously, that along with the quality of this dumpsterfire and the absolutely disingenuous state of Lucasfilm PR.

 

[Manly_Brony]

Another codename for the show is "Grammar Rodeo" that makes me think they'll be doing another western on... Tatooine.

They haven't tried to redeem Watto yet.

 

[Creep3r]

They haven't tried to redeem Watto yet.

I wouldn't be surprised if Filoni has him as a main character or cameo.

I think they also killed him in a Disney Vader comic 2 years ago.

But they've already admitted that continuity is even more nonexistent than before so they'll likely have him flapping about somewhere and reveal that he's friends with Ahsoka or another Filoni character. Probably this guy -

Since he knows every character under disney and before disney except the Disney+ characters and the ones from that cancelled Resistance cartoon. I'm not kidding when I say this. He's met all the characters from the OT, PT, Aphra, Thrawn, Rey, Finn, Poe, Ahsoka, Space Aladdin & Friends, and Orange Lady Yoda. And this used to be a character I liked when he first appeared but then Filoni and crew overexposed him to hell and back to the point of obnoxiousness and even having him be fuck buddies with Aurra Sing.

 

[5t3n0g0ph3r]

I wouldn't be surprised if Filoni has him as a main character or cameo.

I think they also killed him in a Disney Vader comic 2 years ago.
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But they've already admitted that continuity is even more nonexistent than before so they'll likely have him flapping about somewhere and reveal that he's friends with Ahsoka or another Filoni character. Probably this guy -
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Since he knows every character under disney and before disney except the Disney+ characters and the ones from that cancelled Resistance cartoon. I'm not kidding when I say this. He's met all the characters from the OT, PT, Aphra, Thrawn, Rey, Finn, Poe, Ahsoka, Space Aladdin & Friends, and Orange Lady Yoda. And this used to be a character I liked when he first appeared but then Filoni and crew overexposed him to hell and back to the point of obnoxiousness and even having him be fuck buddies with Aurra Sing.

They even had the bastard own Slave I at one point!
I'm still disgusted by that.

 

[Creep3r]

They even had the bastard own Slave I at one point!
I'm still disgusted by that.

Holy fuck I forgot Filoni gave it to him before his show was cancelled and iirc they don't even show how Boba got it back. They even have it so the Slave I's color was because Filoni's oc repainted it.

 

[Zaryiu2]

I waed the entire video. Yes they like it, Jay seems to be the least positive but still over all likes it. They repeatedly make fun of cheap and dumb segments, but they appreciate lame incompetent Kenobi(they state he's an awful character and only like Ewan McGregor), they are fine with things looking cheap cause it's more OT, they like seeing McGregor killing Stormtroopers that are there instead of CGI Clonetroopers cause that is PT. The terribly choreography is good cause PT choreography is over done. Also it's not as terrible as Picard, and they aren't invested in Star Wars anymore, so they can enjoy it. They compared it to Mando season 1 in terms of quality.

On a scale of 10 how much consooming is that?II think pretty high, 7 or 8 at least

 

[5t3n0g0ph3r]

Holy fuck I forgot Filoni gave it to him before his show was cancelled and iirc they don't even show how Boba got it back. They even have it so the Slave I's color was because Filoni's oc repainted it.
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Hence my disgust.
Here I thought Boba repainted Slave I to match his armor.
Furloni dashed that to pieces.
Once again, furries ruin everything.