Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[Mississippi Motorboater]

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...I mean, if I was in a show as mind-numbingly boring as Blandor, I'd probably develop mental health issues, too.

(INB4 the seven billion desperate utterances of: "B-But Andor was ACKTUALLY good, THO!!1!")

 

[Gondolindrim]

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...I mean, if I was in a show as mind-numbingly boring as Blandor, I'd probably develop mental health issues, too.

(INB4 the seven billion desperate utterances of: "B-But Andor was ACKTUALLY good, THO!!1!")

Andor is so good no one ever talks about it except to shill their politics or say that it's good somehow.

 

[Seventh Star]

What's the opinion on Jon Favreau?

 

[Midwit]

Speaking of Ahsoka and the Sequels, she should've been the one to try and kill Kylo Ren. Luke is too optimistic to do such a thing, but Ahsoka has seen firsthand what a Skywalker with dark thoughts could lead to. Hell, you can even have it so that she foresees him becoming the next Darth Vader, and she tries to lightsaber Kylo Ren because of it. Luke would try to stop her, but Kylo Ren gets away and decimates the Jedi Temple, leading to Ahsoka's death which explains why she wasn't there to help stop the First Order.

The issue with that is that it means that the fall of Luke's Order and thereby the New Republic is the fault of Ahsoka and Filoni would never sign off on that.

(INB4 the seven billion desperate utterances of: "B-But Andor was ACKTUALLY good, THO!!1!")

I am sick and tired of Star Wars pussyfooting around the titular Star War that the series was based on, you get to see what happens before the Rebellion and after it but you don't get to see the actual meat of the Rebel conflict.

Andor is so good no one ever talks about it except to shill their politics or say that it's good somehow.

I think the most worthwhile take I've seen on it was Morgoth Review's in which he looked at how the Empire's system is very much the distilled essense of radical humanist regimes wherein power ultimately lies in the ideological zealotry of their central bureaucracy and their willingness to stamp out anything that would threaten their worldview. Something to note is that ol' Sheevy P disbanded that bureaucracy in favour of a more classical system wherein the regional governors are effectively given fiefs to rule over however they so desire, may I be so bold as to suggest that their zealotry may have caused them to overstep their bounds and discover exactly why you don't fuck with creamy Sheev.

What's the opinion on Jon Favreau?

I think that Iron Man is the only film in the MCU that's actually good.

 

[TheAmbiguousLurker]

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...I mean, if I was in a show as mind-numbingly boring as Blandor, I'd probably develop mental health issues, too.

(INB4 the seven billion desperate utterances of: "B-But Andor was ACKTUALLY good, THO!!1!")

Don't you see? It managed to have all the basic shit you'd expect any decent TV show to have instead of shitting itself in every conceivable way, that makes it a master piece! Next you're gonna be telling me not to celebrate every time I see someone who's learned how to use a fork without stabbing themselves in the eye.

Also, I saw images of the villain in Andor and I swear she looks like a blond Robbie Rotten. There's nothing else, I just wanted an excuse to point that out.

 

[starborn427614]

What's the opinion on Jon Favreau?

I guess if you had to compare the two, he seems like the more professional guy in contrast to Filoni. Of course he still follows the chain of command, so how much weight that professionalism has is debatable. On the show side of things, I like him as Paz Vizsla.

 

[Creep3r]

Honestly simply having her leave the Order causing Anakin's trust in Jedi to be shattered. Ideally if Filoni had restraint he could keep her alive but just say that she eventually ended up on some no name mid rim planet and started a family, largely leaving her past life behind. Not every story needs a giant and epic conclusion.

You mean giving her the Quinlan Vos treatment right? I just don't see it working well because at her core, Ahsoka's only purpose was to just be Anakin's sidekick and George's attempt to make little girls more interested in Star Wars as it was a demographic that was on the decline back around 2007. Too many of her fans trying to preserve such a milquetoast character (especially one with plot armor like hers) just seems more like a desire to preserve a kid's first waifu/self-insert who really adds nothing to the core film cast which she has been paired with. That and her death was something George himself ultimately wanted and would add fuel to Anakin's fall to the Dark Side. That and "peacefully walking away from the Order after an incredibly gay court hearing" doesn't carry enough emotional weight to really affect Anakin, that and said court hearing was not only done as a cheap way by Filoni to push out Ahsoka to keep her safe from mean old George, but it also came at the cost of ruining Barriss Offee's character for no reason other than to make his orange waifu look better. Ahsoka's entire existence effectively fucked over Shaak Ti too.

In Quinlan Vos' case though, he was basically hunted down like a dog while fighting on Kashyyyk rather than just walk away from the order in some anticlimactic ending, and ultimately gave up the jedi (which he already had issues with) to focus on living a secret life to protect his family, with his story essentially serving as the "this is what Anakin's life could've been if he hadn't been such an arrogant asshole". Of course even that was made mute too since Filoni retconned him into being a surfer dude with no life outside the order whose only purpose was to further his asinine new story for Ventress, another victim of Filoni's fanfic writing to better suit his desire aggrandize Ahsoka, even giving Ventress's first fight after her return to Ahsoka and pretending the two had any real history instead of just using Anakin, a character who she had an actual history with.

 

[Sneed F91]

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...I mean, if I was in a show as mind-numbingly boring as Blandor, I'd probably develop mental health issues, too.

(INB4 the seven billion desperate utterances of: "B-But Andor was ACKTUALLY good, THO!!1!")

This is very odd considering Diego Luna is an executive producer on Andor and it's basically a vanity project. At the same time there's not much you can do with the character before Rogue One anyways and he has nowhere to go. At least we'll get one more season of the greatest television show in history out of it.

What's the opinion on Jon Favreau?

Hasn't directed anything worth a shit since maybe the Jungle Book remake but that's it. He fell off so hard and I don't know why.

The issue with that is that it means that the fall of Luke's Order and thereby the New Republic is the fault of Ahsoka and Filoni would never sign off on that.

I don't think Dave have the power to sign off on anything really, that's Kathleen's choice. He doesn't own Ahsoka. Kathleen made the choice to make Luke look bad. Plus she'd never pin a failure that massive on a woman.

I am sick and tired of Star Wars pussyfooting around the titular Star War that the series was based on, you get to see what happens before the Rebellion and after it but you don't get to see the actual meat of the Rebel conflict.

I think the problem is that the movies already showed most of the interesting battles on screen already. RO already had the fanwank battle scenes the fans have been asking for and there's no way you'd be able to do them on a TV show budget.

 

[Ghostse]

What's the opinion on Jon Favreau?

Mixed.
He's a useful idiot. He follows orders but seems interesting in trying to make a watchable end product.
He helps maintain consistency in the MCU but only as an ends to a means of returns. I think if they'd have put him in charge (or at least given him veto power) on the sequels the result might not have killed the franchise.

But being competent, not obnoxiously pushing personal politics/race ideology, and thinking that audiences should be treated with a minimum level of respect by having interrelated films not contradict themselves doesn't make him some visionary genius. Its just everyone around him is worse.

tl;dr: In the Kingdom of the Blind the One-eyed man is king, thus in the faggotopia of niggers, trannies, and stronk wimin the guy who only lopped off one of his balls is the most based.

 

[Sneed F91]

He helps maintain consistency in the MCU

IIRC he didn't have anything to do with the MCU creatively after Iron Man 2. Now he's just an actor in the Iron Boy movies.

I think if they'd have put him in charge (or at least given him veto power) on the sequels the result might not have killed the franchise.

Favreau was one of the people I wanted to direct Episode 7. I assume they asked him at one point and he probably said "no" (like most directors with a brain did). You'd have to be a total idiot to willingly take orders from Kathleen. If you don't you'll get fired and you'll get blamed for it because you're the problem.

 

[Mississippi Motorboater]

What's the opinion on Jon Favreau?

Favreau is the entire reason that Boba Fett sucks ass and was an inefficient, defanged clown in his own show.

The series was a passion project for Favreau, and every inexplicable, nonsensical route they took with Boba was down to his creative influence over the series. Don't let the Robert Rodriguez credit on the series fool you; he was just a tool to pave Favreau's vision. We can all chuckle at how horrifically ugly and cheap the show looked, but the ideas? The story? The actual rancid meat of the show? That was all Favreau.

Think about that the next time you see Temuera Morrison lamenting his character's portrayal, or you wince at the sanitized, pitiful excuse for a character that the galaxy's deadliest bounty hunter has now become.

 

[Screamer_2]

Favreau is the entire reason that Boba Fett sucks ass and was an inefficient, defanged clown in his own show.

The series was a passion project for Favreau, and every inexplicable, nonsensical route they took with Boba was down to his creative influence over the series. Don't let the Robert Rodriguez credit on the series fool you; he was just a tool to pave Favreau's vision. We can all chuckle at how horrifically ugly and cheap the show looked, but the ideas? The story? The actual rancid meat of the show? That was all Favreau.

Think about that the next time you see Temuera Morrison lamenting his character's portrayal, or you wince at the sanitized, pitiful excuse for a character that the galaxy's deadliest bounty hunter has now become.

I thought the issue with the Book of Boba Sucks was that Jon wrote some drafts and outlines of scripts as a starting point. Handed it off to RR. Expecting him to work on them. Bring some of that Desperado stuff to it. RR saw it as a cuchy job and did shit all. As he thinks TV is beneath him. Just easy work.

Then RR's make-it-up-on-the-day style didn't work when it came to the volume tech.

 

[Mr. Zed da Robot Poon Fed]

IIRC he didn't have anything to do with the MCU creatively after Iron Man 2. Now he's just an actor in the Iron Boy movies.

Favreau was one of the people I wanted to direct Episode 7. I assume they asked him at one point and he probably said "no" (like most directors with a brain did). You'd have to be a total idiot to willingly take orders from Kathleen. If you don't you'll get fired and you'll get blamed for it because you're the problem.

Favreau was actually fucked over with regards to Iron Man 2. His next film, a more independent film called Chef, is analogous to his time working on Iron Man 2. From the creative disputes between Marvel and Favreau, to the James Rhodes recasting to Mickey Rourke not liking the one-dimensional route the villain went, it all just seemed like a case of creative differences that soured Favreau from directing in the MCU. He might have had that concern with Star Wars as well, considering the amount of projects cancelled due to “creative differences”.

He can do some good stuff, but also some bad stuff (Lion King remake).

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...I mean, if I was in a show as mind-numbingly boring as Blandor, I'd probably develop mental health issues, too.

(INB4 the seven billion desperate utterances of: "B-But Andor was ACKTUALLY good, THO!!1!")

Oh look, another Disney Star Wars-era actor not wanting to work on Star Wars anymore. Where have we heard that from?

 

[Uranus Pink]

Think about that the next time you see Temuera Morrison lamenting his character's portrayal, or you wince at the sanitized, pitiful excuse for a character that the galaxy's deadliest bounty hunter has now become.

Imho it was better for Temueta Morrison to eat that shit sandwich instead of Daniel Logan. Who pretty much got TF out of Hollywood except for a thumb full of minor roles.

 

[Ghostse]

I thought the issue with the Book of Boba Sucks was that Jon wrote some drafts and outlines of scripts as a starting point. Handed it off to RR. Expecting him to work on them. Bring some of that Desperado stuff to it. RR saw it as a cuchy job and did shit all. As he thinks TV is beneath him. Just easy work.

Then RR's make-it-up-on-the-day style didn't work when it came to the volume tech.

That was my impression as well. None of his shit had color-coded Mod Gangs, RR's shit did. Blooba had RR's finger prints all over it.
OTOH @Mississippi Motorboater isn't incorrect that even if you remove the worst parts of the execution like Boba ever taking off the fucking helmet, the overall story is shit "Blooba climbs out of the sarlac pit to be a sandperson cuck, emerges from sand people captivity a kinder gentler person. So kind he lets another helmeted guy cuck him on his own series."

TBH, a "kinder, gentler" 'Old man' Boba Fett series where he comes back to Tatooine exhausted from a life of being the toughest mother fucker around and seeing that its got him credits but fuck all else could have been a neat series. But that's not what we should get for Boba's first time as the star - we needed to get some Boba Fett being the guy that makes Han shit his pants.

If they hadn't been dedicated to cucking Luke in the ST, you could have had Boba spending time in the Jedi Temple with Jedi Master Luke and learning that you don't need to be force sensitive to find inner peace. It'd be a western where ex-gun fighter and bandit Boba wants to do something meaningful with the final chapter of his life.

IIRC he didn't have anything to do with the MCU creatively after Iron Man 2. Now he's just an actor in the Iron Boy movies.

Oh you're right. I'm thinking of Feige.

 

[ZMOT]

Andor is so good no one ever talks about it except to shill their politics or say that it's good somehow.

good != great, no one talking about it just means it wasn't TLJ-level bad where people still rage about it years later, nor was it that great people mentioned it as THE example to name. the scale goes from 1-10, not 1/10.

tbh at this point the butthurt people that constantly have to point out how andor was NOT GOOD STOP ENJOYING THINGS REEE are more tedious than the people who enjoyed it for what it was, shrugged and moved on.

I am sick and tired of Star Wars pussyfooting around the titular Star War that the series was based on, you get to see what happens before the Rebellion and after it but you don't get to see the actual meat of the Rebel conflict.

it's a tv series with a tv budget, I don't really expect movie tier castings, locations and special effects.

 

[Screamer_2]

What is there to really talk about with Andor though? It was good. We've only seen half of it. Just waiting for the next season. There are no great mysteries. Nothing to really speculate.

Did anyone talk much about Mandolorian between the last two seasons?

People talk more about Boba Fett because it had many issues.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

This whole thing about the Book of Boba Fett would've worked better if it was a Godfather-style political thriller mixed in with action. Have Tatooine be filled with Byzantine-style politics, especially since Boba Fett offing Bib Fortuna and taking his throne is very much something that happened in old Byzantium, where you have an incompetent ruler getting killed and replaced by a more effective, if not a more bloodthirsty one. Make it a mix between Byzantine history and the Godfather, and you're good to go. Splice in some episodes where Fett has a flashback about the times he worked for the Empire. Fett's goal would be similar to what Maul was doing in TCW by forming a criminal empire as a way to create a stable power base that can rule the Outer Rim, since the Empire is too crippled to do so, and the New Republic can't even rule jack shit.

Sure, have the episodes where Boba Fett bonds with the Tuskens, but have it be the locus of him building up a power base. Have him teach them not just how to ride swoop bikes, but be like Caesar from Fallout: New Vegas where he teaches them how to strip and clean blasters, how to make and use rudimentary explosives, how to use small-unit tactics. That would lead them to see him as a sort of leading figure, and this Tusken tribe then grows to be a powerhouse. Then when Fett takes over Jabba's throne, he invites the Tusken tribe that he trained and makes them his elite bodyguards, like how the old Roman Emperors had Germanic bodyguards, and the Byzantine Emperors had the Varangian Guard. He's a foreigner born on Kamino who just came in and took over, he can't rely on locals to be his main force, since many of them might be loyal to other factions instead, so he's going to need foreigners loyal to him, and these Tuskens would fit the bill. Fett then takes a part of Mos Espa and gives it to the Tuskens, in exchange for them patrolling the entire city for him.

The quest would then be to dominate the criminal underworld. You'd have a map of different factions and leaders, and Boba Fett and Fennec Shand would meet with them in the morning, and plan how to subjugate or destroy them at night. You'd have flashbacks to him working with Vader and the Emperor, and we see how Vader and the Emperor manipulated the high-ranking Imperials and other faction leaders around them, to make sure they serve and to kill those who dared to betray their masters. Boba Fett hung around Vader a lot, and Vader had no shortages of rivals and foes within the Imperial leadership. Have it so that Fett uses the lessons he learned from Vader and the Emperor well, playing the gentleman in the morning, making concessions and deals, but behind closed doors, he's plotting to kill anyone he deems to be a threat.

For every time someone fucks with him, Boba Fett would deal with them brutally. Those two Gammorreans who don't swear loyalty to him? Have them lead a palace coup against Fett, and Fett winds up being the one who has them thrown off a cliff. That black-furred Wookie tries to kill him while he's in the bath? Have Fett kill him, skin him, and wear the fur as a trophy. Some assassins go after him on the streets? He has their heads mounted outside the city gates. Some Trandoshan vassal makes a cryptic warning against him? Send him the head of a fearsome pirate as a gift, to remind him where his loyalties should lie.

Of course, Boba Fett would still provide a sense of order and discipline within his turf; he ensures that the businesses who pay him protection money are protected, and if someone screws with somebody on his turf, they're dealt with rather quickly. Like say, if some thieves rob an old grandma on the streets of Mos Espa, the Tuskens serving Fett would catch the thieves and break their legs. Some bikers start stealing water from local moisture farms, and Fett has their bikes destroyed and has them fed to a nearby Krayt Dragon. Fett doesn't stop the spice trade, he just makes sure they're not selling to kids or selling near schools, and the money keeps coming in, which he then uses to upgrade the weapons of his minions. The Tuskens go from using gaffi sticks and outdated rifles, to Imperial E-11s and force pikes that can block lightsabers.

The Pykes, the Hutts, the Black Sun, and the other factions naturally react to Boba Fett becoming a growing threat by uniting against him, and it would be the Hutts, not the Pykes, who bring in Cad Bane, especially since Bane worked for the Hutts in TCW when he sprang Ziro and tracked him down after he escaped. Once Cad Bane starts menacing Fett's territory, Fett responds by calling on Din Djarin, who meets not just with the armorer and Paz Vizsla on that ringworld, but with an entire Mandalorian clan. Fett offers that whole clan a fortune and a new home if they join his forces for the impending battle against the Hutts, Black Sun, and the Pykes. He even offers to buy more beskar for them. The Children of the Watch, wanting a new home after their covert on Nevarro was destroyed, take the offer.

 

[starborn427614]

Surprised they actually got to Mandalore in this week's episode of Mando, figured they'd stretch it out to next time. Much better than the season premiere.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Surprised they actually got to Mandalore in this week's episode of Mando, figured they'd stretch it out to next time. Much better than the season premiere.

It's the same pattern with Baby Yoda. Rushing it so that they can have Din back with the rest of the Mandos. Even though BY should've stayed with Luke for quite some time, they gave him back to Mando.

I was detecting a bit of a pattern with the new episode. Bo-Katan wields the Darksaber better than Mando does, and Mando is rescued from his foolish quest by Bo-Katan. Maybe this is a "respect women" angle they're going for? The whole arc seems to be building up to Din giving the Darksaber back to Bo-Katan by letting her win because she saved his life, while the traditions of the Children of the Watch are portrayed as stupid. (They make you wear the mask all day, they do baptisms near monster-infested waters, Din's quest to be absolved by them nearly got him killed.)

Traditions are bad, let the past die, respect women, it seems that this new episode is revealing some old patterns.

The new Bad Batch episode sucks too. As if they forgot what kind of society the Empire is, by having them needlessly demonize the clones even though the clones at this moment are holding the Empire up. The Empire, despite of, or probably, because of its evil, will reward competency over seniority anytime. But in this new canon, competent, loyal clone soldiers are getting shafted by officers who just get off on acting like dickweeds without producing actual results.

It seems that Filoni forgot not just about Luke being a Jedi, but how the Empire works:

If anything, these dipshit, stuffed-shirt officers would get spaced by the Imperials in place of Crosshair, who is competent enough to be above the fighting power of the average soldier, and ruthless enough to carry out any order without question. Crosshair is literally the kind of soldier that most Imperials in the old canon would prefer; competent, but capable of committing war crimes for the cause unquestioningly. Filoni just wants to make the Empire look bad, so instead of showing it warts and all, he makes it so that the guy who serves as the Empire's face just hates clones and wants them gone, even though good soldiers who follow orders are what the Empire wants, back in the OT and the EU. To the point where they went a full 7 years with the Fett clones, and only switched to other clones and live recruits because Kamino betrayed them.

Filoni is obviously doing damage control. He's trying to convince people not to be Empire fans, because that seems to be the only fanbase undamaged by Disney's shenanigans. We know the Alliance to Restore the Republic is a dismal failure as a whole, because we see in the Sequels how their New Republic fails horribly, so all the fighting they did in the OT, as well as all that terrorist shit they did in Rogue One, Andor, and Rebels has been all for nothing, since all they do is replace the Empire with a weak, pathetic government that lets the First Order rise back into power. The Jedi have been put through the ringer and exposed as hypocrites and morons by TCW. The Mandos have been exposed as a bunch of morons who are too busy with their in-fighting, some of whom follow stupid traditions. The only SW fanbase not damaged by the new canon's "de-construction" is the Empire, despite Filoni's attempts at portraying them as clowns in Rebels and the Mandalorian. So Filoni has to go on overdrive to make sure that nobody likes the Empire, because the other factions suck ass, too.

Maybe that's why he's so desperate to turn Ahsoka into a messiah. So that he can create his own faction/fanbase that hasn't been tarnished yet; one that's up to Disney code since it puts a woman in charge.

Plus, I do think that releasing BB and Mando episodes at the same day is kind of a mistake. The latter tends to overshadow the former. It would've been better if they released the BB episodes earlier so that it would've wrapped up Season 2 before Mando Season 3 dropped. They're pumping these things out way too fast.