Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[LORD IMPERATOR]

God bless you, genuinely, for responding to a shit post in complete sincerity. You're my favorite Lord. As for the other post you replied to, regarding the completely fucked situation in terms of Light/Dark/Grey morality within the force, the fact George allowed people to play in his sandbox within his rules doesn't negate the fact the man himself has been very firm in the whole "Dark Side=bad" and "Balance=no Dark Side". And this is even after he did the Mortis shit, Starkiller etc. George is simply not afraid to attempt to poke holes in his own views and create room for people to question what is and isn't right. Fact is, at the end of the day, it's Dark Side=Evil as far as Lucas is concerned.

Eh, I'd be inclined to agree with you on George, but the man green-lighted a video game where a Sith remained firmly in the Light and became one with the Force despite tossing more lightning than Palpatine did in the films. And not only did Lucas approve of this, but Force Unleashed is his official Episode 3.5, the bridge between the OT and the PT, the explanation as to why the Rebellion exists, so it's not just some throwaway game, but rather, his official media, part of the official Lucas canon, similar to TCW.

So basically, the man says one thing, but does another. So again, officially, the SWEU was Lucas' kingdom, and he was free to remove anything from it, and despite removing some decent concepts like an evil clone of Obi-Wan or a more grounded Dark Empire plot where you have an impostor Vader using superweapons instead of a repeatedly-respawning Palpatine destroying whole fleets with his mind, Lucas never removed the grey Jedi shit, and his official explanation for why the Rebellion exists is because a Sith who became one with the Light Side inspired the rebellious senators, and they took said Sith's family crest and made it their war banner.

Yep, Lucas' official explanation for the Alliance starbird is because the Alliance leaders were inspired by a Sith apprentice to rebel against the Empire, and so they took his family crest and made it their national symbol. This despite the fact that the fucker was so addicted to the Dark Side he chucks Sith lightning all over the place even when he's fighting for the Jedi and the Alliance. So canonically, you can use the Dark Side without being corrupted, so long as you're not a selfish arrogant cunt inside.

Except when they weren't. They had a hand in their own fall because they were so attached to the idea of the Republic and their role in it, that they struck the first blow in the Clone Wars in their attack on Geonosha. At every turn, Palpatine feeds them the rope they need to hang themselves and they take it because whereas earlier Jedi who truly adhered to their teachings would have accepted the turning tides of the Force and accepted the Republic's time was passing and that they too must change their own role, the Jedi of the prequel era have lost sight of that detachment. They profess detachment but cannot let go of their position and their history. Palpatine understands this. In the novel Plageius(1), Sidious and Plageius talk quite a bit about feeling the shifting balance of the Force and how to use it. The Jedi feel it but fight it and are swept aside. Ironically, it's the Sith who by this era are going with the (cosmic) flow and the Jedi who are trying to control it.

Actually, they weren't attached enough. In fact, the problem is, the Republic had tons of problems and worms rotting the apple from the inside, and the Jedi didn't fix things. Let us take a good long look at the pre-Clone Wars Republic, and see why the Jedi have failed, both as moral guardians and peacekeepers.

Planets can wage war on each other with their private armies, and the most the Senate can do is sent ambassadors to tell them to knock it off, instead of sending an army to pacify the warring parties. That's like what if North Carolina and South Carolina went to war with each other, and the only thing Washington DC does is send some diplomats to tell them to stop.

Corporations can amass private armies of prodigious size. The Trade Federation, Techno Union, Commerce Guild, Corporate Alliance, and many others have created war droid armies of immense size and strength, yet the Jedi and the Senate do nothing about it. That's like what if Tesla, Amazon, Disney, Microsoft, and Warner Brothers each had their own private armies and fiefdoms within the USA, all well-armed to the teeth with the newest weapons and military equipment, not to mention the legal authority to shoot anyone they deem to be a threat, and Congress does nothing.

Slavery still exists in the outlying systems. The Republic ban on slavery is only on paper, not at all enforced by the law. That's like what if we find some places in the far reaches of Alaska, southern Florida, New England, or western California, and find that they still practice slavery there, and the Federal Government does nothing about it despite having banned slavery in the Constitution.

For each case, the Republic is shown to betray its principles of democracy, freedom, peace, and fairness in the eyes of the law. Member states wage war against each other while the rest of the Republic doesn't give a crap. Corporations have literal death squads consisting of millions, if not billions of droids. Slavery is openly practiced in the galaxy despite being officially banned in the books, and the only way the ban is enforced is if the local ruler wants to.

The Jedi have done nothing against these problems. And the more they remain detached from their problems, the more the Force abandoned them, to the point where before the Clone Wars, Mace contemplates telling the Senate that the Jedi Order's powers in the Force have weakened. Clearly, the Jedi attitude about detachment is not kosher with the Force, yet Anakin's love for Luke didn't sever his ties with the Force, but rather strengthened it, as Anakin's love for his son gave him the power to finally overthrow his master, something he could not do when his heart was full of hate.

Jedi being detached = their Force powers start to grow weaker. A former Sith gets empowered by love for his son = he gets the power he's lacked for decades and he finally overthrows his Sith master, something which he in his hatred could never do in the past.

If there's a unifying view in the Lucas media, I'd say it's not that the Jedi or the Sith are right or wrong, but that both fail at what they should be. The Jedi seek a separation from personal desire and become blind to their own pride and intransigence. The Sith when idealised would be what Anakin should be - able to love, able to right wrongs and be avenging furies against those who hurt them and their loved ones. But the Force is so out of balance that all you get are Palpatines and Vaders whose self-interest (Palpatine) or grief (Vader) who spread nothing but pain. Both the Jedi and the Sith are ideals, and all their real practioners in the PT era fall short. I don't think Lucas ever showed that the Jedi path was wrong so much as he showed that the Jedi themselves had strayed from it. And I don't think that he ever showed Anakin's love for Padme was wrong, but that his inability to let her go and his fear of losing her led to his fall.

They were both wrong since they both turned their backs on love and compassion. The Jedi cast love as the enemy, the Sith ignored love due to their greed and a lust for power. And both were destroyed because of it. Lucas openly showed in ROTJ that love redeems and gives strength, which throws a monkey wrench at the idea that love is the enemy, which is something the Jedi do believe.

In the Republic comic series there was a plotline running parallel to the story of Anakin's downfall about Quinlan Voss being saved from the dark side by the love of his life.
That was before Filoni turned Quinlan into a silly Jedi surfer.

That's another example of love being a good thing for a Force user. Love allowed Quinlan to be saved, just as Anakin was saved by love. Hell, I'll throw in another one; canon Lightside Revan saving Bastila Shan in KOTOR through love. Revan's love for Bastila helps pull her out of despair and puts her back on the Light. When she gets over her fear of loving Revan, she finally returns to the Light Side, as opposed to before, when she feared loving Revan, she was tottering so close to the Dark Side that all Malak needed to do was nudge and make her fall.

Jacen just reinforces the idea that there isn't a true middle ground. He did what he did for genuinely good reasons, and look where it got him. Eternity in force purgatory, essentially.

No, Jacen was downright condemned to Force hell. Also, he wasn't a grey Jedi. He went from Light to Dark in 0-30. He even killed his aunt Mara to prove that he was evil. Jolee, on the other hand, is a Grey Jedi, and he saw the true threat of the Dark Side and cautioned Revan from falling into it. So much so that if Revan returns to the Dark Side, Jolee betrays him and attacks him, knowing the damage that could cause.

Jolee and Qui-Gon aren't even grey. They're pretty explicitly do-gooders even if they're mavericks who butt-heads with the council simply because they listen to the force itself and not what an arbitrarily appointed council of elders think.

We do not know if Qui-Gon was light or grey, but Jolee Bindo is literally the textbook definition of a Grey Jedi. You even look up his alignment in the game, and it's completely in the middle. No light, no dark, just grey. Ironically, it's because he wanted the Jedi to punish him for being a fuck-up, and they decided to promote him instead, so he left.

Grey Jedi can be good or bad depending on their actions. Kreia was a more sinister Grey Jedi since she's willing to cross moral boundaries, Jolee is a more benevolent Grey Jedi because he condemns crossing moral boundaries. It depends on the person's conscience or outlook in life.

Another Grey Jedi would be Ardun Kothe, the head of the Republic's Strategic Intelligence Service. He's a Jedi who's fallen far from their code, and he knows it. He does whatever is necessary to complete the mission, be it good or evil. But he's completely loyal to the Republic, for good or ill, and depending on the actions of the Imperial Agent player character, he can either die for his cause, or help the Agent fight the Light Side and Peace. Dude's no longer in the Light, but he can help someone else to get on the path to righteousness.

 

[rareblacklobster]

George was pretty dead set on the idea that the Dark Side was evil, full stop. He compared Pappa Palpatine to Satan numerous times throughout the decades. He's compared the Dark Side to cancer, and stated that "balance" within the force is the eradication of the Dark Side entirely.

He said the Sith was a cancer, not the dark side. Bringing balance is the eradication of the Sith.

 

[crunchy bits are the best]

Jolee and Qui-Gon aren't even grey. They're pretty explicitly do-gooders even if they're mavericks who butt-heads with the council simply because they listen to the force itself and not what an arbitrarily appointed council of elders think.

You can be labeled as a "gray Jedi" by other people/the Jedi Council yet still side with the Light. Jolee was established like that in the game.

They were both wrong since they both turned their backs on love and compassion. The Jedi cast love as the enemy, the Sith ignored love due to their greed and a lust for power. And both were destroyed because of it. Lucas openly showed in ROTJ that love redeems and gives strength, which throws a monkey wrench at the idea that love is the enemy, which is something the Jedi do believe.

The Jedi Council more or less failed to realize that emotion is a natural response by most, if not all, living things. Teaching Padawans to discard sympathy & love just turns them into apathetic, self-righteous pricks or worse, Dark Jedi. They should just write how even a little emotion can be a source of strength and can be manageable in a handbook.

 

[Ghostse]

ITT: Cucks watching the Acolyte, a series they knew would be bad but somehow turned out even worse, self-out.
They, along with harried parents and BPD egg-timers, form the 3rd leg of the "How Does Disney Manage to Stay in Business" triangle
now cue the cope and lies about pirating. Because even if it were true, that would mean they don't value their time or focus

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

The Jedi Council more or less failed to realize that emotion is a natural response by most, if not all, living things. Teaching Padawans to discard sympathy & love just turns them into apathetic, self-righteous pricks or worse, Dark Jedi. They should just write how even a little emotion can be a source of strength and can be manageable in a handbook.

In fact, that's how most Dark Jedi are born. They realize their attachment to the Republic and the Jedi Order gets in the way of their spiritual growth and their greater understanding of the Force, and they desert. Since they're already psychologically detached from the greater galaxy, they don't give a flying shit about the Republic or its people; to them, since they're Force-sensitives who come to understand a higher power, it makes them higher beings compared to those plebians, and that means they shouldn't be taking it up the ass from a government whose rulers are driven by greed, self-interest, and obsession over shallow popularity contests.

I mean, take it from the point of view of a Jedi disgruntled with the Republic. You are a Jedi, who has discarded attachments to physical things and found enlightenment and power. You commune with a higher power and gain abilities through it that most people cannot match. Yet your Order wastes its time being the lapdog of a government that is reeking of corruption and self-interest.

The Republic as a whole was a loose trade alliance created to protect the economic and political interests of the core worlds, and they couldn't give less of a shit about the well-being of their subjects or the safety of the worlds far from the core. Serving it does not serve the Living Force. In fact, it gets in the way of service to the Living Force. And you realize that your order's continued attachment to it is tantamount to hypocrisy, because your Order claims to serve the Living Force, but in reality, it serves at the whim of rich, spoiled, entitled assholes who cannot even see the Force, cannot even commune with the Force, and they obviously don't give a flying shit about the Will of the Living Force.

You get disgruntled, you slowly figure out that working as a beat cop for a government that only cares about trade interests, money, and popular opinion isn't spiritually enriching, and you come to realize that working for the Republic gets in the way of understanding the Force and becoming one with it. So you begin to adapt a harsher, more militant stance against this status quo, and you begin to hear whispers about past Force users, from the old Rakatans to the Ancient Sith, who didn't take it up the ass from corrupt governments, who governed the galaxy themselves, who used their power and vision to create a society that's more orderly and less chaotic, and you begin to study these lost secrets and figure out if their ideas were worth anything.

You begin to learn powers that your masters do not have, you begin to gain strength in ways that your masters did not predict. Your master goes through a tough time fighting some Mandalorian who's hunting Jedi for sport; he uses gravity boots to resist telekinesis, his mind is too strong for mind tricks, and he uses beskar armor to resist lightsaber strikes, and your master looks like an idiot before a non-Force user, since none of his powers work on the guy. Yet when the Mandalorian turns to you, you fire a torrent of Force Lightning, cooking the poor Mandalorian like a hamburger inside his beskar suit, or you snapped the Mandalorian's trachea like a stalk of celery and killed the pompous bastard in mere seconds.

But instead of celebrating your victory for saving his life, and defeating an enemy he could not defeat, your master gets pissy with you and tells you that you were wrong to draw upon the power and strength of your emotions, that you should have fought that Mandalorian with the fair and just way through the Jedi code, even if it meant that Mandalorian would kill you.

You get up in your master's face, telling him that his limited ways of using the Force exposes Jedi to be killed by normies, and that the Jedi serving the Senate enslaves an order of beings who commune with a higher power to a government full of greedy assholes who can't see past their next paycheck. His response is to draw back on dogma and say that this status quo is how things should always be, and anything else is evil or blasphemous. You realize that your master is limiting your potential and forcing you to live a worthless 9-5 existence in a dead-end job, endlessly wiping the asses of corrupt bureaucrats and senators who treat you the way you treat your vacuum cleaner.

You realize that in your heart, you know this isn't the way, and you leave. You find out eventually, that you're not the only one. You find like-minded individuals among the Jedi who think the same thoughts as you, and who believe the same things as you do. You and your new allies band together, and form a new group of Dark Jedi or Sith, and lead a rebellion against the Republic. Thanks to the fact that the Jedi taught you to avoid attachments, you no longer care if your new movement gets people killed, since they die for the greater good, something your masters taught you to accept back when you were a Jedi, and people died for the Republic's status quo.

You entice soldiers and officers to desert their motherlands and their causes for yours, and you show them that they too can join a system where they can hold real power as opposed to serving Republic bureaucrats or local potentates. And it doesn't matter to you or your new friends if this crusade ends with billions of people killed, because again, detachment was something your master already beat into your skull, so if innocent people die in your war, they died for a greater cause, so their deaths are acceptable. And if those worthless Jedi and those pampered Senatorial aristocrats or Republic bureaucrats get killed, then it's sweet revenge for all the times they forced you to serve a corrupt system that has no real purpose outside of serving those at the top.

Before long, you have your own Empire, and you and your Jedi and military friends rule it with efficiency, eschewing the Senatorial bureaucracy and popularity contests and replacing it with a strict hierarchy of meritocracy. If someone achieves something great, they get promoted, but if they fuck up, they're punished, so as to discourage incompetence in the ranks and ensure that your Imperial forces are as effective as possible; they fear the man behind them more than the enemy in front of them, and they will do whatever it takes to win.

And now, you look upon yourself, and find yourself the leader of a new Dark Jedi movement or Sith Empire trying to contest with the Jedi and the Republic for control of the galaxy. Good luck. You'll need it.

Welcome to the Dark Side.

 

[crunchy bits are the best]

But instead of celebrating your victory for saving his life, and defeating an enemy he could not defeat, your master gets pissy with you and tells you that you were wrong to draw upon the power and strength of your emotions, that you should have fought that Mandalorian with the fair and just way through the Jedi code, even if it meant that Mandalorian would kill you.

LOL, this is why many abhor the Jedi's hypocrisy. They claim to be detached from emotions and are defenders of the weak yet are apathetic to the plight of the oppressed. They openly support a corrupt government body despite having the "enlightenment." They have the might yet are too hesistant on where to side in a war until it is too late.

 

[The Gene Genie]

ITT: Cucks watching the Acolyte, a series they knew would be bad but somehow turned out even worse, self-out.
They, along with harried parents and BPD egg-timers, form the 3rd leg of the "How Does Disney Manage to Stay in Business" triangle
now cue the cope and lies about pirating. Because even if it were true, that would mean they don't value their time or focus

It's why I've basically just refused to watch the Disneyslop. I enjoyed The Mandalorian's first season, but the second was dogshit so I didn't watch the third. Didn't even finish the Bad Batch. Andor was the only one that I watched and enjoyed and hope it continues. I knew The Acolyte would be shit and I didn't want to waste my time on it. I don't see the point in watching something I know I'm going to hate. Disney has shit all over Star Wars and there's nothing more that can be said or done about it.

 

[Rick The Stick]

I'm just glad my retardation could momentarily veer us away from Disney shit. Even if it's just a few users going on tangents no one but us care about. Literally any discussion that isn't about Disney Wars is gold imo.

 

[Overly Serious]

Actually, they weren't attached enough. In fact, the problem is, the Republic had tons of problems and worms rotting the apple from the inside, and the Jedi didn't fix things. Let us take a good long look at the pre-Clone Wars Republic, and see why the Jedi have failed, both as moral guardians and peacekeepers.

They're guardians of the peace, not bureaucrats. They were too attached because they couldn't have saved the Republic. The novels are explicit that the Dark Side is rising, there are a myriad of naturally arising problems for the Republic that are fundamental factors. Inner sectors become deeply dependent on outer sectors for resources and food (stated in Plageius) leading to an underlying shift in power away from the core worlds - which the core worlds try to resist. Increasing trade in the Outer and Mid-Rim leads inextricably to a rise in people wanting to steal said resources. That can only be countered by force one way or another - so either outer worlds start building up force or the Republic starts building up force projection - a military. A separatist movement was inevitable. With the rise of a separatist movement the Republic must either give up power and influence voluntarily or use force to suppress it. And the Jedi chose the latter in their strike on Geonosha. Because they were too attached.

If the Jedi had been true to their principals, they would have said "the Republic's time is passing" and practiced humility and receded. What would have happened if the Republic had allowed itself to diminish bit by bit? Perfectly peaceful? Of course not. But it would have set Palpatine's plans back a decade or more. Other centres of trade and power would have started arising. There wouldn't have been the basis for the entire thing to be subverted and the "First Galactic Empire" would have had a weaker initial base. The Jedi, no longer so focused on the Republic might have dispersed, closer to their earlier history and been more spread out across the galaxy, harder to eliminate, more able to spread their teachings and give their aid. They would have diminished but endured.

It was a little like Galadriel's test in LotR. Does she claim the ring, claim power, renew her kingdom? Or does she remain herself and diminish and go into the West? Or a less literary analogy, they were like someone trying to pull a drowning man to shore and getting pulled in with him. The Republic was doomed whatever they did. Their attachment to it doomed them also.

LOL, this is why many abhor the Jedi's hypocrisy. They claim to be detached from emotions and are defenders of the weak yet are apathetic to the plight of the oppressed. They openly support a corrupt government body despite having the "enlightenment." They have the might yet are too hesistant on where to side in a war until it is too late.

I don't think they are apathetic nor are they blind to the corruption. We see in the novels numerous efforts by them to help around the galaxy. And whilst not idealising Valorum they assist with his efforts to improve things, such as at the big meeting with the trade federation where there was a chance of negotiating a better path forward and greater equity with the non Core worlds. (A conclave that collapsed due to trade federation assassinations engineered by Palpataine and a financial scandal tarnishing Valorum's reputation again, engineered by Palpatine who had become one of Valorum's most trusted confidants by that point. No wonder Valorum looks so betrayed when Palpatine takes his place). This is in Plageius and Cloak of Deception novels, but elsewhere also.

Lucas never portrayed the Jedi as bad, only having lost their way.

 

[Miller]

ITT: Cucks watching the Acolyte, a series they knew would be bad but somehow turned out even worse, self-out.
They, along with harried parents and BPD egg-timers, form the 3rd leg of the "How Does Disney Manage to Stay in Business" triangle
now cue the cope and lies about pirating. Because even if it were true, that would mean they don't value their time or focus

I've only watched the third episode and it's only because JLongbone was livestreaming it on Rumble.

 

[Imperial Citizen]

Jedi being detached = their Force powers start to grow weaker. A former Sith gets empowered by love for his son = he gets the power he's lacked for decades and he finally overthrows his Sith master, something which he in his hatred could never do in the past.

It is the difference between selfish love and selfless love, the willingness to kill for someone and the willingness to die for someone. Revan fought to save the Republic but was willing to use terrible powers to stop the Mandalorians. He led the Jedi Civil War, unleashed monsters through battles such as Malachor V. Yet he was willing to take on Darth Malak, willing to die for the Republic that made him victorious.

However, the only lesson that the Jedi learned was that Revan engaged with the galaxy and that it led to the reemergence of the Sith. When the Jedi learned that the Sith were behind the Separatists, they were driven to engage in the Clone Wars to destroy them. Selfish reasons to fight a war.

Darth Vader died to save his son. He was finally strong enough to defeat Darth Sidious because he was willing sacrifice himself to save others. Anakin always wanted to save life, to stop people from dying. He just feared losing his life in the process. He let go of that fear to save his son.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

They're guardians of the peace, not bureaucrats. They were too attached because they couldn't have saved the Republic. The novels are explicit that the Dark Side is rising, there are a myriad of naturally arising problems for the Republic that are fundamental factors. Inner sectors become deeply dependent on outer sectors for resources and food (stated in Plageius) leading to an underlying shift in power away from the core worlds - which the core worlds try to resist. Increasing trade in the Outer and Mid-Rim leads inextricably to a rise in people wanting to steal said resources. That can only be countered by force one way or another - so either outer worlds start building up force or the Republic starts building up force projection - a military. A separatist movement was inevitable. With the rise of a separatist movement the Republic must either give up power and influence voluntarily or use force to suppress it. And the Jedi chose the latter in their strike on Geonosha. Because they were too attached.

The Separatists seceded because the Republic didn't hear their cries for help. If the Jedi encouraged the Republic Senate to at least hear out these people, then there would be no Separatist crisis. Just people realizing that yes, if they cry loud enough, the Republic would listen.

If the Jedi had been true to their principals, they would have said "the Republic's time is passing" and practiced humility and receded. What would have happened if the Republic had allowed itself to diminish bit by bit? Perfectly peaceful? Of course not. But it would have set Palpatine's plans back a decade or more. Other centres of trade and power would have started arising. There wouldn't have been the basis for the entire thing to be subverted and the "First Galactic Empire" would have had a weaker initial base. The Jedi, no longer so focused on the Republic might have dispersed, closer to their earlier history and been more spread out across the galaxy, harder to eliminate, more able to spread their teachings and give their aid. They would have diminished but endured.

It was a little like Galadriel's test in LotR. Does she claim the ring, claim power, renew her kingdom? Or does she remain herself and diminish and go into the West? Or a less literary analogy, they were like someone trying to pull a drowning man to shore and getting pulled in with him. The Republic was doomed whatever they did. Their attachment to it doomed them also.

False. The Republic wasn't doomed; the Jedi could've fixed it. They could've encouraged the Senators to invest in Outer Rim development, giving jobs to backwater yokels and show them that the tax money they pay to Coruscant comes back to them in a meaningful form. They could've assembled militias and eradicated practices like slavery, showing that Republic laws have teeth. They could've banned the use of corporate droid armies, forcing corporations to rely on Jedi and Republic security forces for protection, thereby keeping them honest and lessening the chances of them abusing the law when they have their own armies.

If the Jedi did all three, then there'd be nothing for Sidious or the Sith to take advantage of. The Republic, which Kenobi stated lasted for a thousand generations, would last a thousand more.

LOL, this is why many abhor the Jedi's hypocrisy. They claim to be detached from emotions and are defenders of the weak yet are apathetic to the plight of the oppressed. They openly support a corrupt government body despite having the "enlightenment." They have the might yet are too hesistant on where to side in a war until it is too late.

Exactly. The Jedi were apathetic to the plight of the needy and the oppressed, and you notice that the more the Jedi do that, the more they got weaker in the Force. Meanwhile, Vader's compassion for his son allotted him the power he sought for so long in his anger but never got it. Which goes to show that this detachment nonsense was bullshit. Emotions are a way to generate power through the Force, and turning away from that is like seeing with only one eye. Or walking with only one foot.

It is the difference between selfish love and selfless love, the willingness to kill for someone and the willingness to die for someone. Revan fought to save the Republic but was willing to use terrible powers to stop the Mandalorians. He led the Jedi Civil War, unleashed monsters through battles such as Malachor V. Yet he was willing to take on Darth Malak, willing to die for the Republic that made him victorious.

However, the only lesson that the Jedi learned was that Revan engaged with the galaxy and that it led to the reemergence of the Sith. When the Jedi learned that the Sith were behind the Separatists, they were driven to engage in the Clone Wars to destroy them. Selfish reasons to fight a war.

Darth Vader died to save his son. He was finally strong enough to defeat Darth Sidious because he was willing sacrifice himself to save others. Anakin always wanted to save life, to stop people from dying. He just feared losing his life in the process. He let go of that fear to save his son.

The problem is, the Jedi cast love as a whole as the enemy. Selfish love, selfless love, they want neither. And that's why they died off. If the Jedi loved the people of the Republic, and the people loved them back, then the Senate would've reacted to Palpatine declaring Order 66 with a ''Vote of No Confidence'' and an open rebellion. Between the droids being shut down and the clone army being surrounded by hostile Republic planetary militias loyal to the memory of the Jedi, Palpatine wouldn't stand a chance, he'd be defeated within a fortnight. And the few survivors who survived Order 66 would've been able to reconstitute the Jedi Order with the help and assistance of the Republic Senate.

Hell, if Kenobi and the Jedi showed Anakin some love, he might not have betrayed them for Palpatine. There's an old African proverb that describes Anakin in one sentence. “A child that is not embraced by the village will burn it down to feel its warmth” They treated Anakin as a weapon and as a tool; nothing more. They bitched at him for being arrogant, despite the fact that his skills back up his talk, and they didn't give him any real faith. If they actually showed him some compassion and understanding, he might have gravitated towards them instead of Palpatine. Palpatine merely filled a gap for Anakin that the Jedi should have, but did not, and for that, the Jedi were destroyed.

 

[Sithis]

Still weird that the Clone Wars animated series for kids is the only Disney star wars entry worth watching. "But muh rogue one," Rogue One was the Trojan horse that brought you all this bullshit. If they hadn't got positive response on Rogue One when they tried making Star Wars stories about non-jedi etc they might have not plowed through with all this continuation of that trend, escalating every couple years.

Mandalorian was good for season 1 but Pedro Pascal is an annoying fag and the story gets so much more retarded than it's worth. The modern star wars universe is the domain of ugly women and "diversity" loving trannies, I'm not even sure the black audience they are so obviously pandering toward now care about it.

 

[Illuminati Order Official]

Jolee and Qui-Gon aren't even grey. They're pretty explicitly do-gooders even if they're mavericks who butt-heads with the council simply because they listen to the force itself and not what an arbitrarily appointed council of elders think.

That's how I understand grey Jedi - lightsiders who for some reason are at odds with the Jedi Order, not moral relativists who are open to using dark side if they feel like it.

 

[Gondolindrim]

I'm super late on this but I'm beginning to realize that the true purpose of Ahsoka was to test the waters for a live action Clone Wars show. I'm expecting a formal announcement any day now.

 

[Screamer_2]

I can safely say, I actually have zero interest in watching more of The Aco-shite.

If I do, it'll be to hate watch and entertainment of people shitting on it and definitely downloaded, but I honestly don't care.

It's like the boys, watched the first episode of the new season. Don't give a shit anymore. I liked Gen Z, but an episode into the new season of the Boys and it's just a, boring, no.

 

[Dragged Into Sunlight]

People on this page are putting more thought into the lore of Jedi than Lucas ever has lmao

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

People on this page are putting more thought into the lore of Jedi than Lucas ever has lmao

That's what made Star Wars great; fans engaging in the creative enterprise themselves. Now they don't want to because:

1) Disney shows can't live up to their imaginations.
2) They don't want to spend time patching obvious activist nonsense.

 

[Ghostse]

That's what made Star Wars great; fans engaging in the creative enterprise themselves. Now they don't want to because:

1) Disney shows can't live up to their imaginations.
2) They don't want to spend time patching obvious activist nonsense.

Also because Disney has said canon doesn't matter anymore. If it gets in the way of injecting niggers, trannies, and fags its tossed and worthless. There is zero point investing in any backstory becasue it'll be invalidated the minute a nigger in the writing room doesn't feel that matches their headcanon.

This why I make fun of people who watch Andor. You might as well just spend that time reading Fan Fiction.

 

[mlanguishi]

15% now. This isn't a very exciting video, he just goes through all the history. The Holiday Special is 21%. I actually almost wish I had a Disney+ sub just so I could cancel it and write them and tell them why.