Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

Ghostse said:
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I prefer to compare them to fent junkies, since they get as pissy as them when you narcan them back from the grave with :reality:. It's fucking retarded to pretend this end of the run after two loss leading seasons saves anything.

It just tells them to spam Dave's garbage more, since their metrics are less shit.
 
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LORD IMPERATOR said:
He's the only dude who had fun with the massacre.
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Him and the main character, Syril.
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Adamska said:
in the episode where Windu and Jar-Jar team up to save his girlfriend that alien queen, so thankfully George Lucas was checked out I think when it got belted.
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I unironically love that arc. Something about the bizarreness of the time up is amazing


How the hell is the Ghorman massacre a genocide? The empire has wiped out entire species but an event that killed a couple hundred people is considered a genocide?
 
Clyde Cash's Left Teste said:
I unironically love that arc. Something about the bizarreness of the time up is amazing


How the hell is the Ghorman massacre a genocide? The empire has wiped out entire species but an event that killed a couple hundred people is considered a genocide?
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Palestinians and Jews complain about getting genocided despite still existing.
 
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When they said S2 would take place over several years whit every 3 ep arc covering a year, I expected every arc to focus on a different mission on a different place. Not just four years of the fucking Ghormans.

The scale seems completely wrong. It's literally just one small massacre (which they call genocide because???) on one boring planet best known for making silk, and we are supposed to believe this incident was so exceptionally horrible that it's what gave birth to the Rebellion and ultimately lead to the Empire's downfall? The same Empire that blows up planets? IDK, everything just feels too small for Star Wars. It's way too down to earth. Maybe it's just a budget issue, and maybe the next week episodes show the planet destroyed by mining or something. But I miss the epic scale the franchise used to have.

Also,these episodes made it so fucking obvious that 90% of the imperials are white men while the majority of the Rebellion are non-whites.
 
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And so we come to the events that begin the Rebellion. This week produced some fantastic episodes which I will summarize in order.

Much has changed in a year for the Rebellion. Yavin IV is an active military base, with strict procedures and communities. Andor, Bix, and Wilmon live together in a wooden building. Wilmon asks Andor to complete a mission for Luthen; kill Dedra Meero on Ghorman. Andor's initial rejection and later unauthorized flight for the mission shows that the budding Rebel Alliance is on the outs with Luthen. No longer are they planning guerrilla strikes but a serious, armed uprising. As well as all the subterfuge and lack of trust.

Ghorman's future is decided when Partagaz informs Dedra that the Empire was not able to find a kalkite substitute. "Bad luck Ghorman." he sighs as he pronounces that the mining ships arrive in 48 hours. Syril talks to Dedra about all the recent reports of attacks by Ghormans. He wonders how these narratives will allow the Empire to identify the outside agitators, but Dedra assures him that it will be alright. He just needs to pack his things and be ready to leave.

Back on Yavin IV, Bix brings Andor to a Force Healer. Andor is skeptical, noting a past incident between an alleged Force Healer and Maarva. The cook/healer is able to sense the emotional clarity in Andor that she could not sense in others, and that ensures her powers will work. The woman can sense the purpose in Andor and that he will be a messenger.

Hey, Filoni! That's how you demonstrate the mysticism of the Force you witch obsessed fuck!!

Andor and Wilmon arrive on Ghorman as more Imperials show up. Riot guard units, stormtroopers. He encounters the bellhop from the prior year and they share a mutual understanding. Wilmon and Dreena, a young woman in the Ghorman Front attracted to him, prepare communication sets for Andor as he plans out his assassination.

The next day starts with the Imperials opening up Ghorman Plaza, keeping a blockade around the Imperial Offices. Carro Rylanz, the head of the Ghorman Front, immediately knows that this is what the Imperials want. He's already heard the rumors about the landing of mining equipment and can tell that this is all wrong. It is too late as Ghormans pour into the plaza, shouting slogans of protest. The Ghorman Front come as well, with hidden weapons and molotov cocktails. Carro confronts Syril about this, demanding to know why this is happening. But Syril doesn't know. He pushes Carro to the ground and heads off to the plaza.

Syril demands to speak to Dedra, but is pushed off to a room housing Imperial civilians, and 6 KX-Security droids. Undeterred, he marches up to Dedra, and with an unseen fury, grabs her by the throat until she tells the truth. The truth: that there is a mineral in the ground, that the Empire needs the planet, that this order came directly from the Emperor. Shaken by the fact that he was never bringing justice to the galaxy, Syril walks out of the building and wanders into the crowd.

The protests continue to ring out. Waving flags and singing their planetary anthem. Stormtroopers surround the plaza. Riot troopers are being pummeled with shouts and rocks. Andor walks among the crowd, trying to find a good opening to shoot Dedra. In the midst of the uproar, a man dressed in all black on a rooftop aims a gun at one of the riot troopers. Imperial command gives him the order to fire.

The riot trooper falls. The Imperials open fire. Ghormans drop to the ground. Members of the Front fire back. The plaza is full of smoke, screams, fire, and death. KX units come out and throw Ghormans across the plaza. Syril stands in the middle of this madness until he finally spots Andor.

Syril rushes at Andor in a rage. They engage in a brutal fight, until Syril picks up Andor's gun. Cassian asks "Who are you?'. Syril lowers the gun, takes a breath, and then is shot from behind by the formerly pacifist Casso Rylanz.

The survivors of the massacre flee. They manage to destroy a KX unit and take the damaged pieces with them. Dreena pleads for help over a broadcast, but none will come from the galaxy. As has happened before, an empire will slaughter a people in their lust for power. We end with Dedra trying to not break down in a closed off room on Ghorman and Eedy Karn crying on Courscant, mourning the loss of her son.

Word of the violence on Ghorman has reached Courscant. Imperial patriots have been murdered in a violent attack by the Ghormans. Dasi Oran, the senator from Ghorman, is arrested by the Empire. Mon Mothma and Bail Organa know that this is the final straw. Bail will stay but Mon will make a speech condemning the Empire before leaving for Yavin IV.

Mon's aide, Erskin Semaj, finds a listening device in Mon's office. She destroys it and Erskin suggests to leave for a bit while he checks for other devices. Luthen approaches Mon outside, revealing that Erskin works for him (Erskin was recruited at the Leida's wedding[). Luthen also states that Mon's rescue team has a spy (later we find out that the spy was added at the behest of Lonni Jung). It turns out that Cassian, fresh from Ghorman, will retrieve the Senator.

After a series of alien and human senators give great platitudes to the loss of the Imperial martyrs, Mon gets to speak, through a bit of parliamentary procedure proficiency from Bail.

"Of all the things at risk, the loss of an objective reality is perhaps the most dangerous. The death of truth is the ultimate victory of evil. When truth leaves us, when we let it slip away, when it is ripped from our hands - we become vulnerable to the appetite of whatever monster screams the loudest."

Mon Mothma calls the Ghorman Massacre a genocide and lays it at the feet of the monster they have all created; Emperor Palpatine.

Cassian and Erskin are able to get Mon out of the Senate and eventually to a safehouse. We see that Wilmon and Dreena were able to escape Ghorman and are there as well. Unfortunately, Cassian is informed that the rescue of Mon Mothma will be credited to Gold Squadron, a Yavin escort, in order to "rewrite the story" and have her give a speech. I take that as throwing shade at Filoni and perhaps retconning the story in Rebels.

Back at Yavin, Vel inspects a weapon from a new recruit. The recruit turns out to be Melshi, the other survivor of Narkina V, and the weapon is none other than Syril's corporate blaster that Andor gave to Melshi in Season 1.

Cassian and Bix are able to be together for the night, but Cassian finds her missing in the morning. He said that he was planning on them leaving the Rebellion after the last mission. Bix knows that they have to defeat the Empire, to make all that they have suffered worth something. Cassian needs to be focused on the Rebellion, so Bix leaves, promising to meet again after the Rebels have won.

We end with the rewiring of the KX, giving us the birth of K2SO.
 
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homophobic fujoshi said:
Also,these episodes made it so fucking obvious that 90% of the imperials are white men while the majority of the Rebellion are non-whites.
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Most of the Rebels also looked white or semi-caucasian. The Ghormans are outright Space French.

homophobic fujoshi said:
Aliens would just dilute the IMPORTANT TIMELY message I guess. Too hard to figure out what IRL demographic they are supposed to represent.
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There's the alien senators who all stood up for the Empire and denounced the Ghormans after the riot. Guess the Empire wasn't so anti-alien after all, when so many alien leaders are willing to take Palpatine's money in exchange for denouncing some humans who turned against the Emperor.

homophobic fujoshi said:
The scale seems completely wrong. It's literally just one small massacre (which they call genocide because???) on one boring planet best known for making silk, and we are supposed to believe this incident was so exceptionally horrible that it's what gave birth to the Rebellion and ultimately lead to the Empire's downfall? The same Empire that blows up planets? IDK, everything just feels too small for Star Wars. It's way too down to earth. Maybe it's just a budget issue, and maybe the next week episodes show the planet destroyed by mining or something. But I miss the epic scale the franchise used to have.
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At this point, the Empire has enslaved Kashyyyk, eradicated the Geonosians, bombed Kamino back into the stone age, but slaughtering less than a million Frenchmen in some planet that makes silk dresses is what pushes Mon Mothma to the brink. I suppose those filthy walking carpets, disgusting bugs, and long-necked weirdos weren't human enough to be empathized with.

I'm beginning to think the Empire doesn't have a monopoly on anti-alien bias. Especially since this is what gets the Rebels mad, but all the other mass-killings or genocides the Empire committed didn't really register in their brains.

Drag-on Knight 91873 said:
And it's a human v. human slapfight anyways. Pretty sure Trandoshans and Rodians and Devaronians don't give a flying fuck about any of this.
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Shit, given all the alien senators denouncing the Ghormans, Palpatine can pay those races to join in on killing Ghormans and other enemies of the state.

Hell, in older games like the Dark Forces series, the Empire employs alien mercenaries of different races, working under the banner of crime lords such as Reelo Baruk or Jabba the Hutt. You see more aliens fighting FOR the Empire instead of AGAINST the Empire. Outside of races such as the Geonosians, Mon Cala, and Wookiees, most aliens seem to be chill with the Empire; they either keep their heads down while paying taxes, or join them outright as auxiliaries and soldiers of fortune.

Hell, the Ailon Nova Guard openly served the Empire because Palpatine attends their parades. They have no problem serving the Empire as literal suicide soldiers, being sent on missions that were high-risk in nature.
 
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I will say that with the Geonosians, anybody who was part of the former Republic would see them as the bug zombie people who created an army that decimated countless Republic worlds and for former Separatists/anti-Imperials, they'd see Kamino as the birthplace of an army that did the same to Separatist worlds/ushered in the Empire. I'm sure the opinion that these worlds were responsible for the Clone Wars as a whole would have also been pretty prevalent.

As for the Wookiees, they're largely viewed as non-sentient savages (despite living in cozy 1970s model homes) and treated poorly (in the OT, Chewie is probably the most abused character behind Threepio).
 
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As for the Wookiees, they're largely viewed as non-sentient savages (despite living in cozy 1970s model homes) and treated poorly (in the OT, Chewie is probably the most abused character behind Threepio).
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They were a strong Republic ally, yet most of the Senate didn't bat an eye when they were packed off to the slave camps.

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I will say that with the Geonosians, anybody who was part of the former Republic would see them as the bug zombie people who created an army that decimated countless Republic worlds and for former Separatists/anti-Imperials, they'd see Kamino as the birthplace of an army that did the same to Separatist worlds/ushered in the Empire. I'm sure the opinion that these worlds were responsible for the Clone Wars as a whole would have also been pretty prevalent.
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The Geonosians being separatists should've endeared them to Senators with anti-Imperial sentiment, since their fears about Coruscant's government becoming tyrannical was proven right with the Empire. I mean, the Empire practically proves that the Seps were right about the Republic and its leaders; the Senate didn't give a shit that their supreme chancellor fragged the Jedi, and the Senate approved of Palpatine's coronation and military buildup, as well as the oppressive boot of the Empire clamping down on the galaxy.
 
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LORD IMPERATOR said:
They were a strong Republic ally, yet most of the Senate didn't bat an eye when they were packed off to the slave camps.


The Geonosians being separatists should've endeared them to Senators with anti-Imperial sentiment, since their fears about Coruscant's government becoming tyrannical was proven right with the Empire. I mean, the Empire practically proves that the Seps were right about the Republic and its leaders; the Senate didn't give a shit that their supreme chancellor fragged the Jedi, and the Senate approved of Palpatine's coronation and military buildup, as well as the oppressive boot of the Empire clamping down on the galaxy.
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The thing is that the Republican case was never really made in the PT; somewhere offscreen it was decided that separatism was le bad and the Jedi just sort of went along with it for no adequately explained reason. So the entire issue needs to be glossed over in subsequent media to keep the Jedi and Rebels as the white hats.
 
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The thing is that the Republican case was never really made in the PT; somewhere offscreen it was decided that separatism was le bad and the Jedi just sort of went along with it for no adequately explained reason. So the entire issue needs to be glossed over in subsequent media to keep the Jedi and Rebels as the white hats.
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Actually, that was part of the themes of the PT. The Jedi were going along with crushing the Separatists even though the Seps had valid reasons for quitting the Republic system. The fact that the Jedi went along with it, hook, line, and sinker, was part of the movies' storytelling focus on how the Jedi have lost their way, and how they're playing right into Dooku and Palpatine's hands. The Jedi saw an enemy before them, focused all attention on it, ignoring the enemy behind them which grew in power, to the point where he took them out.
 
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Actually, that was part of the themes of the PT. The Jedi were going along with crushing the Separatists even though the Seps had valid reasons for quitting the Republic system. The fact that the Jedi went along with it, hook, line, and sinker, was part of the movies' storytelling focus on how the Jedi have lost their way, and how they're playing right into Dooku and Palpatine's hands. The Jedi saw an enemy before them, focused all attention on it, ignoring the enemy behind them which grew in power, to the point where he took them out.
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Dooku was being completely genuine with Obi Wan in AotC when he told him that Qui Gon very well might have been a Separatist had he still been alive.
 
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The thing is that the Republican case was never really made in the PT; somewhere offscreen it was decided that separatism was le bad and the Jedi just sort of went along with it for no adequately explained reason. So the entire issue needs to be glossed over in subsequent media to keep the Jedi and Rebels as the white hats.
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That happened irl too, though. The southern states were called evil for trying to secede. They slaughtered countless innocent and peaceful men and women for merely trying to live free of Lincoln's nigger loving tyranny. The idea that the Confederacy was some evil group (despite the fact that them losing set us on the path to where we are now) is so pervasive that Lucas being the braindead bleeding heart liberal commie lover that he is knew he could use the idea of secession as something audiences would understand as evil.
 
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LORD IMPERATOR said:
Actually, that was part of the themes of the PT. The Jedi were going along with crushing the Separatists even though the Seps had valid reasons for quitting the Republic system. The fact that the Jedi went along with it, hook, line, and sinker, was part of the movies' storytelling focus on how the Jedi have lost their way, and how they're playing right into Dooku and Palpatine's hands. The Jedi saw an enemy before them, focused all attention on it, ignoring the enemy behind them which grew in power, to the point where he took them out.
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That's one reading. The trouble is that it undermines the OT, since it means that what Luke and the Rebellion were fighting for was actually pretty shit.
 
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