Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

People ARE aware that Vader is suppose to be tragic and, lets face it, pathetic as to remind you of what the dark sides ultimately does to you, right? He is badass and sinister but you are suppose to be reminded he is just a sad old man inside the suit that tortures him everyday. And that Palpatine was constantly trying to replace him, only failing to do so because of Vader's intense perseverence at not dying but the moment his back landed against the metal ground, he was as good as dead to Palp.

You may use the dark side but, in the end, it is the one using you.
 
Delany's Donkey said:
i could 100% see them doing that with leia. Shocked they haven't already actually.
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Godzilla@1989 said:
Turning Padme into a bisexual?
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I wouldn't be surprised if she shared a bed with Duchess Satine or Senator Mina Bonterri.

Ghostse said:
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHAHAHHAHAH
Where did you get that hilarious, detacted from all reality copypasta from? Its peak /r/StarWars.
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Simple: by observing both sides.

In the old SWEU, Vader nearly got killed by a resurrected Maul. He lost to Starkiller on the Death Star, although on Kamino, it was a fight he threw. Meanwhile, in the new canon, Maul with two Jedi assistants can't even measure up to him, and most game cameos have him as some unstoppable monster.

Lucas wanted a man limited by his injuries from reaching his full potential; Disney wanted a horror show.

Ghostse said:
That is giving Disney far too much credit to write something cool.
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Depends on which Disney. Walt would've probably gone along with it, and so would the 90s-2000s Disney cartoon writers.

The handsome tard said:
People ARE aware that Vader is suppose to be tragic and, lets face it, pathetic as to remind you of what the dark sides ultimately does to you, right? He is badass and sinister but you are suppose to be reminded he is just a sad old man inside the suit that tortures him everyday. And that Palpatine was constantly trying to replace him, only failing to do so because of Vader's intense perseverence at not dying but the moment his back landed against the metal ground, he was as good as dead to Palp.

You may use the dark side but, in the end, it is the one using you.
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That is what Lucas wanted to remind everyone in the end. But that's not the Vader fans want.

The Vader fans want is the one who sends Maul and his posse running. The one who smashes around Wookiees like they were teddy bears. The one who made Luke his bitch.
 
LORD IMPERATOR said:
That's how I would've made Vader. More akin to something like an Ancient Sith. Someone to inherit the kind of mantle left behind by the likes of Exar Kun and Marka Ragnos. Hell, if it were me, I'd have him slowly become like Darth Nihilus, to the point where if a foe doesn't have the full power and protection of the Light Side, Vader could siphon their life energies and use it against them; and the only reason he wouldn't go too far the way Nihilus did is because he knows it'd reduce him to a soulless space crack addict.


"Seven minutes. Seven minutes is all I have to play with you."

Imagine Vader going in that direction because of a twisted desire to resurrect Padme. I could imagine that he has Padme's corpse in deep freeze, while he goes off on this Blackwing Virus quest, and Palpatine lets it happen because he also wants a way to become immortal or to resurrect a dying body, especially since Palpatine's body is slowly dying due to the Dark Side's power.
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I imagine if Luke hadn’t been a factor, Vader and Palpy were just gonna peak and devolve into Scion and Nihlius 2.0 respectively. They were both up to some very interesting hobbies (both canon and EU) before A New Hope and the boys as rich heads of an empire were throwing everything at the wall.

Probably cause both were not gonna see the fruits of their labours, being sad old men in ruined bodies and the force only goes so far.
The handsome tard said:
People ARE aware that Vader is suppose to be tragic and, lets face it, pathetic as to remind you of what the dark sides ultimately does to you, right? He is badass and sinister but you are suppose to be reminded he is just a sad old man inside the suit that tortures him everyday. And that Palpatine was constantly trying to replace him, only failing to do so because of Vader's intense perseverence at not dying but the moment his back landed against the metal ground, he was as good as dead to Palp.

You may use the dark side but, in the end, it is the one using you.
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You can have him be a juggernaut and still be pathetic.

He got that power he wanted so badly, he’s stronger than Anakin ever was. It only cost him everything, man traded everyone who cared about him for the funniest psychopath in the universe who alternates between fake charm and threats depending on his mood.

So he can be a badass action hero but he’s still the piece of shit who tortured his daughter, maimed his son, killed his older brother, spat at every opportunity offered over twenty years for redemption (finding a boy exactly like himself and just repeating the cycle) and deserving of his hell a thousand times over.

There’s just a line between pathetic and embarrassing and EU Vader was oftentimes embarrassing (woodoo hide) in how they treated him. It wasn’t all bad, that part of his “life and death” book where he personally ordered Owen and Beru’s BBQ is stone-cold while also being a forty year old man having a tantrum.
 
Also, I don't get why Middle School Darth Talon was so angry about her master. He was stabbed in the chest with a lightsaber, that's that most survivable wound in current year starwars. No one is ever truly gone.

Humble Architect said:
You can have him be a juggernaut and still be pathetic.

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There’s just a line between pathetic and embarrassing and EU Vader was oftentimes embarrassing (woodoo hide) in how they treated him.
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I sort of view that as...

Vader, in combat, should be an unstoppable force. Jedi Survivor, until Master Nigger came back from the lava pit, nailed this perfectly. Jedi attacks him with full fury, Vader just force grabs her and yeets her into the lava, doesn't even break stride. You can't fight Vader, only run, and the only way you get away is an entire fucking ocean dropping between you and Vader.

Outside of combat, Vader should be an absolutely broken man driven only by rage, revenge, and, effectively, inertia. Everything that isn't bringing order to the galaxy is an unnecessary and unwelcome distraction. Which is why I have a softspot for TFU as a reasonable explanation for what Vader was getting upto in his free time that doesn't (in the broadstrokes) undermine the character.

Most comics exploring Vader's mindset fail because he's basically a robot until he learns his son is still alive and then the whole weight of what he's done and has been doing drops on him. Vader is absolutely and completely alone.

Basically once again Auralnauts understands StarWars better than the franchise owners.
 
Godzilla@1989 said:
It seriously baffles me that the lightsaber fights still look awkward and janky as fuck for eighteen years despite advancements in animation.

Hell, the damn animation is janky as fuck after all these years.

Have no idea why Vader is in this.

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For the love of all that is sacred
Why is he not being flanked and destroyed here? Why are they not even bothering to? He only has one lightsaber and two hands. There are three of them.

Holy shit, this is awful.
 
A big part of Vader's portrayal in Empire is he's Leatherface/Michael Meyers with a laser sword and magic. A monster you can't stop and can barely slow down. That's only part of what he is in Empire, but it's the part that came to dominate nearly all portrayals of him afterwards
 
draggs said:
A big part of Vader's portrayal in Empire is he's Leatherface/Michael Meyers with a laser sword and magic. A monster you can't stop and can barely slow down. That's only part of what he is in Empire, but it's the part that came to dominate nearly all portrayals of him afterwards
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He also doesn't work outside of the movies... Vader should be a trivial obstacle within his era. Yes hes a unstoppable monster in combat but everyone uses ships to go everywhere.

Vader had a personal craft the republic/imperial should of offed him with a hidden explosive early on. Its incredibly vulnerable due to his habits. Ironically the new dark maul comes across as more believable because the writers seem to st least take into account mundane threats.

They really, really need new characters though the plot needs to move away from the movies either ahead or before.
 
Whiskey said:
He also doesn't work outside of the movies... Vader should be a trivial obstacle within his era. Yes hes a unstoppable monster in combat but everyone uses ships to go everywhere.

Vader had a personal craft the republic/imperial should of offed him with a hidden explosive early on. Its incredibly vulnerable due to his habits. Ironically the new dark maul comes across as more believable because the writers seem to st least take into account mundane threats.

They really, really need new characters though the plot needs to move away from the movies either ahead or before.
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He was just some badass asshole SS officer analogue in ANH. He could be, and was, bested. No one really wanted more of RotJ emo Darth Vader, they wanted more of the Captain-General Reichsfuhrer-SS second in command of the Empire Palpy's right hand man invincible monster Vader we saw in Empire. So that is what we get in nearly every portrayal of him from the comics to the EU novels to vidya games to nuWars shows
 
Ghostse said:
lol gay.

Of course the teen girl survives.

Vader just an absolutely slop bucket in that fight. The constant breathing sounds are very jarring and make no sense.
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I mean they are setting her up to be Darth talon but who knows if they have the balls to do anything with it.

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Godzilla@1989 said:
It seriously baffles me that the lightsaber fights still look awkward and janky as fuck for eighteen years despite advancements in animation.

Hell, the damn animation is janky as fuck after all these years.

Have no idea why Vader is in this.

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This is actually a significant improvement over rebels lol. Granted he was intentionally botching it so they would lead him to the rebellion but he was slow as shit. Maul not a bad fight by their standards and I rather liked how he stone cold did not give a shit about talking. ( I know it's because jones is dead)

The series should have been done years ago, but from what I've seen it's decent. It's too little too late but if something like this had released earlier it would have worked well.

We are at the point where Disney could de canonize the sequels bring back the EU faithfully with no strings and people would just not give a shit.

Starfighter has got to be the last movie if they can't get a profit.
 
Computer God Autism said:
I will give Disney minor credit for, as of the last time I checked (last decade), making Vader and Palpatine's dynamic slightly more authentic. Rather than scheming against Palpatine from the moment he gets put in the suit, Vader's loyalty isn't actually shaken until he realizes his son was alive, he had been lied to and there was potentially someone else in the universe he could have a genuine connection to.
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He was scheming against Palpatine even before he became a crispy critter; he planned on getting rid of him after wiping out the Separatist leaders (novelization), tried to get Padme on board with this as a selling point (movie), and wanted Mace Windu to stand down from killing him because he wanted to pump him for info about the "cheat death" power he tempted Anakin with (book/movie/behind the scenes).
 
The Shat rules. It's sad 2026 is another dead year for SW though. Really has been besides mando 1/2 for a decade

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And.. The mando 4th ad. I just can't get excited for this. Trek, Bond, and SW need a long break and I don't know. Start over or something.

 
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Delany's Donkey said:
Even by star wars standards this is terrible acting from both the bearded guy and Pedro. This movie is going to fucking bomb
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Pedro is just a bland actor. I have no idea why he’s in everything he has the charisma of Moviebob.

Go watch his performance in Gladiator II. It’s like watching a blank wood trying to emote.
 
cjv97 said:
In ninth episode, the last Dathomirian brother died, Maul's pet droid died, what was left of the Mandalorian warriors died, and Rook Kast died, but wouldn't be surprised if she somehow survived in the next season.

In the last episode, Darth Vader showed up and duel Maul and the Jedi. The Jedi Master died, but not by Maul.

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Can't help but notice in one of the clips at 1:09, when devon dashes away from the inquisitors. She makes the same dash sound that Starkiller does in Thr Force Unleashed.
Ghostse said:
Also, I don't get why Middle School Darth Talon was so angry about her master. He was stabbed in the chest with a lightsaber, that's that most survivable wound in current year starwars. No one is ever truly gone.
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They have fallen under the comic superhero curse where characters that are supposed to die constantly come back making death meaningless.
 
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