Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[Haramburger]

See, THAT could work.

Except again it's headcanon and not in the films. (And also you wouldn't want kids)

It could be "reverse canon," in that you could disprove the theory by seeing an instance of droids performing animal husbandry in the comics or novels(I couldn't think of one, but I haven't consumed anywhere close to half of the extended universe content).

 

[Vault Boy]

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while mocking old authors like Zahn for making the Empire look like actual human beings instead of generic nazi cutouts while shaming him for not being more like Wendig.

Oh goddammit, keep them the fuck away from positions at Lucasfilms and Disney.

Star Wars doesn't need fools that think that Chuck Wendig is a golden standard that Zahn must strive to be.

 

[Flexo]

It could be "reverse canon," in that you could disprove the theory by seeing an instance of droids performing animal husbandry in the comics or novels(I couldn't think of one, but I haven't consumed anywhere close to half of the extended universe content).

Source:

Dammit you made me watch some of phantom menace again.

 

[Haramburger]

Good catch. Leading a pack animal is easier than pacifying a racing one in its stable, but you are technically correct and that is the best kind of correct. Also I don't care enough to Devil's Advocate Rian Johnson's horseshit in the first place.

 

[Flexo]

Good catch. Leading a pack animal is easier than pacifying a racing one in its stable, but you are technically correct and that is the best kind of correct. Also I don't care enough to Devil's Advocate Rian Johnson's horseshit in the first place.

It does now remind me of a new law about star wars: the worst movies will have racing in them.

 

[RomanesEuntDomus]

The only defense I've heard of it being good that made sense was if you ignore ALL STARWARS MOVIES EVER and consider it a single film ALONE, its ok. But there are still problems with that. Its really a shitty film.

That makes the movie even worse. If you pretend there is not only no franchise to built upon but also ignore TFA, then TLJ is a movie that constantly brings up plotpoints out of nowhere just to shatter them the very next scene.

What I think that can happen is Disney eventually ending the movie thing and putting it on a hiatus for a decade or two, and going the cartoon way to try and rebuild some of its fanbase, if they are sensible.

I think so too, though that would be desastrous from an investment POV, since every year they are not making mad dosh with their franchise, the cost of investment and the cost of opportunity are going to bite them in the ass. So of course that's the outcome that I favor. Let Disney suffer, make them bleed money for decades.

If not, look forward to Admiral Holdo Prequel Trilogy with lesbians, dangerhair and evil mansplaining imperials.

If that turns out to be Ruin Johnson's trilogy, I'm going to shit bricks. It's so tone-deaf and stupid, it has to happen.

 

[Krokodil Overdose]

It does now remind me of a new law about star wars: the worst movies will have racing in them.

Reminds me of the blob racing in the Jedi Academy trilogy, where the guy that Lando is scouting as a potential Jedi (due to his impossible win rate at the races) turns out to be a slicer who's putting the fix in. Say what you will about those books, that plot point was a much better example of subversion than the "lol, nunadis matters" of Rian Johnson.

 

[mrdk_04]

Bad news everyone.

Spoiler: https://geektyrant.com/news/star-wars-the-last-jedi-has-sold-the-most-blu-rays-in-2018-so-far

To say that Star Wars: The Last Jedi was divisive would be an understatement. However, the number of die-hard haters must not be as numerous as some believe as The Last Jedi is currently the number one selling Blu-ray of 2018.

It has sold about 3,019,432 copies with consumers spending around $69,409,409 on it. The next most popular film is Black Panther with 2,626,921 units sold and Thor: Ragnarok comes in third with 2,342,413 copies sold. Of course, there are still about 4 months left so things could change, especially with Avengers: Infinity War only being on Blu-ray for less than a month.

Interestingly, when you look at DVD sales, Black Panther is king at 1,185,987 copies sold and The Last Jedi comes in at #6 with only 850, 273 copies.

Source: The Numbers

 

[RomanesEuntDomus]

Bad news everyone.

Spoiler: https://geektyrant.com/news/star-wars-the-last-jedi-has-sold-the-most-blu-rays-in-2018-so-far

To say that Star Wars: The Last Jedi was divisive would be an understatement. However, the number of die-hard haters must not be as numerous as some believe as The Last Jedi is currently the number one selling Blu-ray of 2018.

It has sold about 3,019,432 copies with consumers spending around $69,409,409 on it. The next most popular film is Black Panther with 2,626,921 units sold and Thor: Ragnarok comes in third with 2,342,413 copies sold. Of course, there are still about 4 months left so things could change, especially with Avengers: Infinity War only being on Blu-ray for less than a month.

Interestingly, when you look at DVD sales, Black Panther is king at 1,185,987 copies sold and The Last Jedi comes in at #6 with only 850, 273 copies.

Source: The Numbers

That is weird... is this possibly some sleight of hand where Disney reports the "Units shipped" number and the journos pretend those are the sold copies? Cause SWTOR did something similar when they wanted to pretend their playerbase is larger than it really was - they essentially said "x million characters created", which only helped to highlight that the game was so barren of content, players had to start with new characters to play their starting missions just so they had something to do.

 

[Haramburger]

Bad news everyone.

Spoiler: https://geektyrant.com/news/star-wars-the-last-jedi-has-sold-the-most-blu-rays-in-2018-so-far

To say that Star Wars: The Last Jedi was divisive would be an understatement. However, the number of die-hard haters must not be as numerous as some believe as The Last Jedi is currently the number one selling Blu-ray of 2018.

It has sold about 3,019,432 copies with consumers spending around $69,409,409 on it. The next most popular film is Black Panther with 2,626,921 units sold and Thor: Ragnarok comes in third with 2,342,413 copies sold. Of course, there are still about 4 months left so things could change, especially with Avengers: Infinity War only being on Blu-ray for less than a month.

Interestingly, when you look at DVD sales, Black Panther is king at 1,185,987 copies sold and The Last Jedi comes in at #6 with only 850, 273 copies.

Source: The Numbers

Wow, Red Box bought a fuckton of discs for rentals outside drug store vending machines, who'da thunk?

 

[mrdk_04]

That is weird... is this possibly some sleight of hand where Disney reports the "Units shipped" number and the journos pretend those are the sold copies? Cause SWTOR did something similar when they wanted to pretend their playerbase is larger than it really was - they essentially said "x million characters created", which only helped to highlight that the game was so barren of content, players had to start with new characters to play their starting missions just so they had something to do.

Wow, Red Box bought a fuckton of discs for rentals outside drug store vending machines, who'da thunk?

I would say it's dubious.

Our DVD and Blu-ray sales estimates are based on weekly retail surveys, which we use to build a weekly market share estimate for each title we are tracking. The market share is converted into a weekly sales estimate based on industry reports on the overall size of the market, including reports published in Home Media Magazine.

For example, if our weekly retail survey estimates that a particular title sold 1% of all units that week, and the industry reports sales of 1,500,000 units in total, we will estimate 15,000 units were sold of that title. The consumer spending estimate is based on the average sales price for the title in the retailers we survey.

We refine our estimates from week to week as more data becomes available. In particular, we adjust weekly sales figures for the quarter once the total market estimates are published by the Digital Entertainment Group. Figures will therefore fluctuate each week, and totals for individual titles can go up or down as we update our estimates.

Because sales figures are estimated based on sampling, they will be more accurate for higher-selling titles.

 

[XYZpdq]

Yeah given what a shitshow it's been so far I'm going to assume there's some manner of shenanigans on this, or it's just as baldfaced as "buy a jillion copes of your own book to make it an NYT bestseller".

 

[Creep3r]

A pretty much on the nose commentary from WCB. The news article they're reading is trying to explain that TLJ failed because of the audience not because of its own faults, but the article does make a point which WCB fully agrees with, Disney/Kennedy/JJ/etc relied too heavily on nostalgia as their only selling point towards casuals and fans and after the failure of TLJ to deliver in the only department that normies cared about, people woke up to the realization that the new SW media really lacks any good or original substance.

In other words, TLJ broke the illusion and made people realize that they were just on a nostalgia high while watching Disney's formulated money printers but despite all of this, nostalgia in the end is all they have left which is why they'll try to force as many cameos and OT references into IX as possible (Luke, Lando, Yoda, Carrie's corpse, Anakin, Endor, whatever they can) in hopes of saving this trainwreck without truly learning anything from their mistakes or from the past they're so desperately trying to emulate.

The appeal of SW is that it pulled you into this vast and limitless universe full of possibilities and countless ideas that left you in wonder, but in the end Disney just settled for repeating the same stories under mediocre writers/directors, making clone planets of Tatooine, Yavin or Coruscant, characters duplicates/donut steals of old ones and just making the universe feel incredibly small and uneventful.

 

[RomanesEuntDomus]

The appeal of SW is that it pulled you into this vast and limitless universe full of possibilities and countless ideas that left you in wonder, but in the end Disney just settled for repeating the same stories under mediocre writers/directors, making planets Tatooine, Yavin or Coruscant clones, characters duplicates/donut steals of old ones and just making the universe feel incredibly small and uneventful.

The weird thing is, Nu-Wars did not continue any story of the old trilogy in any meaningful way.
Old fans want to see how things have panned out, revisit familiar places and see how they have been changed. Wouldn't it be interesting to see Tatooine, Bespin or even Endor and see how the fall of the empire has affected them? Would it not have been interesting to see how Jabba's death has affected that neck of the woods? And it would not have carried the foul "been there, done that" vibe of simply remaking iconic scenes from the old movies. It would not have felt like they shove in nostalgic stuff just to make the viewer go "I KNOW WHAT THAT IS!", it would have made sense to show these places.
Instead, they pretty much hard-resetted everything and everyone or make them retread ground from different characters - best example: Luke is essentially this trilogy's Obi Wan, but his plot makes far less sense.
Luke especially would have had so many interesting possibilities. Even the idea of Luke refusing to use a light-sabre could have been interesting. After all, he didn't win against the Empire by beating Darth Vader, killing him and the Emperor. He beat up Darth Vader, then refused to give in to his feelings and cast away his sword rather than killing Vader, meaning that his victory was an entirely spiritual thing. Continuing that would have been so immensely interesting. He could still fight, mind you, but maybe without using a lightsabre and without the intent to harm or kill his opponent. A bit like Aikido, where he just tries to fend off his opponent until that opponent gives up. I feel that would have done the Luke of the old movies justice and could have been absolutely satisfying to watch him beat baddies not only physically, but also spiritually.

I am also baffled at how uncreative Nu-Wars is in terms of settings. Bespin alone is such an amazingly creative set-piece. A city adrift above the clouds of a gas giant - how cool is that?
Every location was a unique and interesting place, but every new setting is visually similar to the old locations and there is absolutely nothing new and amazing. Sure, the old movies have already used many settings, so it would be hard to come up with something new, but Nu-Wars didn't even attempt to.
At the top of my head: How about a planet which has a surface that is unhabitable, so it's a giant underground city with endless tunnel-labyrinths. Star Wars is a fantasy franchise, so I feel a "Moria"-inspired setting might actually be pretty neat and fit rigth in. And it would give you interesting opportunities, since every location carries with it things to be exploited.

 

[Krokodil Overdose]

At the top of my head: How about a planet which has a surface that is unhabitable, so it's a giant underground city with endless tunnel-labyrinths. Star Wars is a fantasy franchise, so I feel a "Moria"-inspired setting might actually be pretty neat and fit rigth in. And it would give you interesting opportunities, since every location carries with it things to be exploited.

The overall point is well-taken, but this is a bad example: GW would sue.

 

[RomanesEuntDomus]

The overall point is well-taken, but this is a bad example: GW would sue.

I do doubt that anyone holds the copyright to the concept of "underground city", tbh.

 

[Furina]

I do doubt that anyone holds the copyright to the concept of "underground city", tbh.

Star Wars 1313 would have had a setting like that. Before the powers-that-be took it behind the chemical sheds if you know what I mean.

 

[Your Weird Fetish]

The overall point is well-taken, but this is a bad example: GW would sue.

To be fair that could be said about virtually any concept.

 

[Vault Boy]

Star Wars 1313 would have had a setting like that. Before the powers-that-be took it behind the chemical sheds if you know what I mean.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't that game almost finished before Disney cancelled it?

Seems like a waste, especially given the somewhat lackluster state of Star Wars video games these days.

 

[Creep3r]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't that game almost finished before Disney cancelled it?

It was from what I understood. A lot of things ended up being cancelled after George decided to get into talks with Disney around late 2010, like the live action tv series about the SW Underworld (and several other games which were cancelled abruptly in 2010 due to claims of "budget constraints and deadlines" which honestly felt like excuses to mask the drama going on) with Underworld supposedly being about stuff like bounty hunters (Boba in particular), Hutt cartels and whatnot, that along with some new Boba material and 1313 makes me suspect that SW media was going to focus more on the criminal element of SW after Clone Wars. A shame about that never happening though. Battlefront 3 and Battlefront Online were also cancelled (supposedly due to deadlines) at the same time as Underworld. with 1313 being the only continued project up until 2011 since many seemed to be fond of it (including Kathleen Kennedy) but in the end it went silent and it wasn't officially cancelled until 2013. In the end, I would gladly have had 1313 (even in an unfinished state) or Battlefront Online be the last (or ongoing) piece of "Legends" (old SW) media over EA's fucktastic SWTOR or Battlefront remakes. EA is a plague of fail and corruption honestly.