Star Wars vs Star Trek - Which is better?

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Voyager could have been great if they had taken its premise seriously, which they didn't as soon as the second episode.

Edit: I like both Star Wars and Trek for what they are, entertainment.
 
Voyager was terribad. Janeway was schizophenic. Voyager killed off what made the progressive views of ST enjoyable for all. It was just there, Voyager had to remind you all the time janeway is a true and honest stronk woman. When she wasn't being mothering...and 2 mins later, a war monger... then a big bag of emotions.

Her writing was flat out awful. The captain is head of the ship and the ship is what we are watching... I found the rest of the crew dull. Pretty early on they pretty much admitted they gave up by throwing old cast members on (lots of shows ST did this but lets be frank its lazy fan service) hell, they made Barcley into a regular because that little autistic fuck was the most likable person on the series.

The weird klingon chick, was literally written to reflect ST fans, the fact she was a sad weirdo was kinda funny when you step back. But when you can't care about anyone it's really hard to give a shit about their adventures or struggles.
 
sikotik said:
Voyager could have been great if they had taken its premise seriously, which they didn't as soon as the second episode.

Edit: I like both Star Wars and Trek for what they are, entertainment.
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Voyager was a huge letdown. janeway is a disgrace to the chair. that's the series that really killed my interest in the series for a while..not a big fan of the current movies either.
 
I prefer Star Wars, at least if we're going to reference Star Trek's crap involving the prime directive. Essentially, people claim Star Trek is all about humanism and so forth, but I always considered Star Wars far more humanist.

Star Wars shows all walks of life of varying technological levels (from tribal level to hyperdrive use) and of many different species working together to end a tyranical government who draws inspiration from Nazi Germany. It is a story about how one needs to fight against evil. Meanwhile, Star Trek starts out okay if cliche in the original series, but devolves into idiocy as soon as the Prime Directive is involved. The argument usually invoked is about how it would be interfering with fate to prevent a genocide or something similar.

The Prime Directive is an attempt to avoid influencing the course of events of a planet who hasn't achieved a certain level of technology. It's based off of the writers' ideas about how imperialism is bad. However, this gets sticky very fast because it is far less humanist to let millions die in a genocide one could have prevented. It's also far worse because then millions more die from preventable diseases, like how they aren't taught basics of germ theory and the like. It makes the Federation look far more like people who don't give a damn about anybody but the most technologically advanced species, casting aside any empathy or universal rights.

The anti-imperialism moral falls flat in the face of the implications of the story, since the planets with such technology aren't taking resources from other planets anyway. It instead suffers the problem of "characters care more about their nominal purity of principle than the actual morality of letting people die in clearly preventable ways." Essentially, the same problem of any story that has a genocidal maniac who needs to be stopped, but the hero won't kill the bastard even if it would prevent deaths. Because that would somehow be morally equivalent to murdering millions in cold blood.
 
Mozzarella Dicks said:
I agree on every one of your points and I still say it was better than Deep Space Nine.
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Unrelated but how do I block you? :P

Air your beefs with DS9, because I know some people really didn't enjoy it (and first 2 seasons were pretty slow) and some of the "of the week" episodes could be quite trying. One of the more common gripes I see people have with DS9, was it really undoes the purity of the Federation, being some magically pure force for good.

It had a great arc, lots of action, great characters and Garrak. Mother fucking Garrak. Before I even get into the cool that was the Dominon War, the great arc with the Maquii, the badassary that was the Defiant. Sisko nuking a planet because his gives a fuck meter was broken or any of the other awesome things, DS9 wins because that smooth talking pimp master Cardassian named Garrak.
 
Both franchises are mere shadow of their former selves soo...
Both are being forgotten and ditched
 
William Shatner's Tek War is the best

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Can we just call this shit Starsball and agree some team scored with a photon/proton torpedo?
 
Bassomatic said:
It had a great arc, lots of action, great characters and Garrak. Mother fucking Garrak. Before I even get into the cool that was the Dominon War, the great arc with the Maquii, the badassary that was the Defiant. Sisko nuking a planet because his gives a fuck meter was broken or any of the other awesome things, DS9 wins because that smooth talking pimp master Cardassian named Garrak.
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Plus, Dax was hotter than Seven of Nine.
 
The correct answer is Star Trek is better. There is really no argument or debate. Can a mod please close this thread now. ThanX.
 
I'm more of a Trek fan. I like all the series (barring Discovery.) I even enjoy the animated series and Enterprise.

Star Wars was always a series I thought was just ok. I don't mind the original trilogy, the prequels aren't great, but they're not the abomination people make them out to be either. Just ok/decent movies. Haven't seen the new movies and frankly don't have any desire to.

I will say that the Star Wars novels tend to be a bit better than Trek novels, as far as light Sci-Fi reading goes. Still more of a Trek fan overall.
 
I love both, but both their modern iterations are serious disappointments. Trek lost me with Enterprise. It was such a boring series. I've gone back and started enjoying TNG, DS9, and Voyager recently. DS9 really did start to get better as the series went on, whereas TNG was solid from the start. Also love the TOS movies, though I have difficulty watching the TOS TV series. I have to be in the right mood to enjoy TOS episodes. Haven't seen Discovery. The Abrams films are OK.

Star Wars? I have a rough relationship with Star Wars. I want to enjoy the new movies, but I get so angry with all the SJW bullshit and how disrespectful they are to the original characters. The prequels aren't my favorite, but I can enjoy them if I don't think too hard about how they fuck up continuity with the original trilogy.

I love both though, for different reasons. I can't really pick one over the other, but if I had to live in one universe over the other, I'd choose Star Wars. I like the ship designs and tech better. Who doesn't want their own star fighter?
 
Star Trek is a netflix show. It's majorly about interaction and great characters because they had limited funding, whereas Star Wars (movies) are 80% looks and visuals. If you look any Netflix "AAA" movie, you can count the number of sets on one hand, which either makes a shitty cheap movie or a great interaction-based movie

Same reason Star Wars expanded universe is so much better. It doesn't cost $2500000 to include Vader for 8 panels the same way Agents of SHIELD only had 2 minutes of Samuel Jackson for their season 1 finale on TV.
 
More like which franchise has been deflowered more by its incompetent "owners"
And JJ Abrahms...
 
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