Starcraft

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Really? You really believe all that shit you just pulled out of your ass?

100%. It's what the story was showing, it's what I liked about the Zerg campaign. We took some valley girl with a sniper rifle and turned her into Darth Vader with tits.

Metzen had little to no prior experience writing and threw the story together without critical thought. Kerry is literally based on his junkie ex-girlfriend and she’s a revolting mary sue. You put vastly more stock in this writing then it ever deserved, the equivalent of elevating Twilight or Eragon to the same level as Shakespeare or Tolkien.

A Mary Sue would have everyone sucking up to her and winning every conflict. Not only is Infested Kerrigan not well-liked at first (Zasz sees her as a punk, Zeratul calls her a whore, etc.) but she also gets punked by Tassadar. Even her victory in Brood War came at a massive cost, and she felt hollow and empty afterwards. That's not a Mary Sue. If you think she's similar to a real Mary Sue like Rey, you really weren't paying attention.

Your ramblings are entertaining in their sheer absurdity, but also really frustrating because you’re clearly much smarter than this.

And your constant ramblings won't convince anyone when you insult people like that.

 

[Corn Flakes]

Really? You really believe all that shit you just pulled out of your ass?

Metzen had little to no prior experience writing and threw the story together without critical thought. Kerry is literally based on his junkie ex-girlfriend and she’s a revolting mary sue. You put vastly more stock in this writing then it ever deserved, the equivalent of elevating Twilight or Eragon to the same level as Shakespeare or Tolkien.

Your ramblings are entertaining in their sheer absurdity, but also really frustrating because you’re clearly much smarter than this.

Dude, for the sake of your own blood pressure, take a fucking chill pill. Starcraft's writing is retarded, we know that already. It's backround lore for a 90s RTS about space marines vs. space bugs vs. psionic space elves. Not even Tolkien could have saved it from being stupid and campy. We're all autists for talking about this, but taking it so seriously makes you the top autist of the bunch. Take it easy.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Dude, for the sake of your own blood pressure, take a fucking chill pill. Starcraft's writing is retarded, we know that already. It's backround lore for a 90s RTS about space marines vs. space bugs vs. psionic space elves. Not even Tolkien could have saved it from being stupid and campy. We're all autists for talking about this, but taking it so seriously makes you the top autist of the bunch. Take it easy.

It's basically just your typical 90s sci-fi. Nice to enjoy, so long as you're not autistic about the story's hiccups here and there.

 

[FreedomMussel]

It's basically just your typical 90s sci-fi. Nice to enjoy, so long as you're not autistic about the story's hiccups here and there.

I think the story could have been much more than that and I’m frustrated I cannot find anything in the whole of science fiction that better executes similar ideas

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

I think the story could have been much more than that and I’m frustrated I cannot find anything in the whole of science fiction that better executes similar ideas

I'm pretty sure there is. Halo has the Flood be an intelligent hive-mind species that you have to fight in Halos 2 and 3. Quite literally, the Gravemind has the same traits as the Overmind minus having an infested human mouthpiece like Kerrigan.

 

[FreedomMussel]

I'm pretty sure there is. Halo has the Flood be an intelligent hive-mind species that you have to fight in Halos 2 and 3.

They’re not playable or written to be vaguely sympathetic or written with vaguely comprehensible goals like Overmind and cerebrates are

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

They’re not playable or written to be vaguely sympathetic or written with vaguely comprehensible goals like Overmind and cerebrates are

Sympathetic? The Overmind is anything but sympathetic. The dude just wants to OMNOMNOM the Terrans as a stepping stone so he can OMNOMNOM the Protoss and create the ultimate life form. The Cerebrates operate like typical generals from any other army, except they're bereft of a body and are just talking brains.

 

[FreedomMussel]

Sympathetic? The Overmind is anything but sympathetic. The dude just wants to OMNOMNOM the Terrans as a stepping stone so he can OMNOMNOM the Protoss and create the ultimate life form. The Cerebrates operate like typical generals from any other army, except they're bereft of a body and are just talking brains.

Yeah, that’s what I like about them for the most part. Alien villain fantasy

And I think that instead of introducing Kerry, all that effort should have gone into writing the cerebrates as deep memorable characters instead

Because otherwise their portrayal kinda suck ass. They never do anything interesting because Kerry steals the spotlight

That’s it. That’s what I think

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Yeah, that’s what I like about them for the most part. Alien villain fantasy

And I think that instead of introducing Kerry, all that effort should have gone into writing the cerebrates as deep memorable characters instead

Because otherwise their portrayal kinda suck ass. They never do anything interesting because Kerry steals the spotlight

That’s it. That’s what I think

But even without Kerrigan, they just want to consume the Protoss. At most, maybe you can go put on a tinfoil hat and say that the Overmind's desire to create the perfect life form was his own search for God, but that's reaching way beyond what the story gives.

 

[FreedomMussel]

But even without Kerrigan, they just want to consume the Protoss. At most, maybe you can go put on a tinfoil hat and say that the Overmind's desire to create the perfect life form was his own search for God, but that's reaching way beyond what the story gives.

I don’t see a problem with this. What are you saying?

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

I don’t see a problem with this. What are you saying?

The fact that much of the complexity of the Overmind's plot is just implied instead of outright stated, and at most, if you just go with the game while forgoing any other lore, it just seems as if the Overmind wants to consume the Protoss to become more powerful.

 

[FreedomMussel]

The fact that much of the complexity of the Overmind's plot is just implied instead of outright stated,

Yeah, the writing could use a lot of improvement. This stuff should be explained in the game rather than hidden in a manual most players never read.

just seems as if the Overmind wants to consume the Protoss to become more powerful.

I don’t see any problem with this.

I mean, the story could be expanded so the war lasts for decades and give more material to experience, but I think the zerg’s end goal of eating everyone is great

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Yeah, the writing could use a lot of improvement. This stuff should be explained in the game rather than hidden in a manual most players never read.

I don’t see any problem with this.

I mean, the story could be expanded so the war lasts for decades and give more material to experience, but I think the zerg’s end goal of eating everyone is great

Not to me. Hence why I made up my own explanation as to why the Overmind is doing what he's doing; either his search for creating the ultimate life form is his own inner search for God, or he knows the Xel'Naga will somehow return despite him killing the Xel'Naga in the past, so he wants to beat them at their game and make hybrids before their agents do.

 

[FreedomMussel]

Not to me. Hence why I made up my own explanation as to why the Overmind is doing what he's doing; either his search for creating the ultimate life form is his own inner search for God, or he knows the Xel'Naga will somehow return despite him killing the Xel'Naga in the past, so he wants to beat them at their game and make hybrids before their agents do.

You can justify its motivations however you want, the effects are the same. I was satisfied with them seeking perfection because of their evolutionary history as an apex predator collective. I think the Overmind works better as the main villain of the franchise rather than the xel’naga. Not only that, but I think the xel’naga could be removed entirely without adversely affecting anything.

That’s why I don’t like Kerry, as I feel that she (and similar infested humans) steals the spotlight from the Overmind and cerebrates. Instead, I think that effort should have gone to fleshing out the cerebrates. Give them real faces rather than immobile slugs, even. Do something to make them memorable and a defining trait of the zerg.

That’s why don’t like the Overmind being killed off in the first game, either. That should have been saved for the last ever game in the franchise, like Starcraft 42 or something. The Overmind basically is the zerg, and without it they’re bland and uninteresting.

I have similar complaints about the terrans and protoss.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

You can justify its motivations however you want, the effects are the same. I was satisfied with them seeking perfection because of their evolutionary history as an apex predator collective. I think the Overmind works better as the main villain of the franchise rather than the xel’naga. Not only that, but I think the xel’naga could be removed entirely without adversely affecting anything.

That’s why I don’t like Kerry, as I feel that she (and similar infested humans) steals the spotlight from the Overmind and cerebrates. Instead, I think that effort should have gone to fleshing out the cerebrates. Give them real faces rather than immobile slugs, even. Do something to make them memorable and a defining trait of the zerg.

That’s why don’t like the Overmind being killed off in the first game, either. That should have been saved for the last ever game in the franchise, like Starcraft 42 or something. The Overmind basically is the zerg, and without it they’re bland and uninteresting.

I have similar complaints about the terrans and protoss.

If you didn't like the first Starcraft, then the franchise isn't for you.

Kerrigan only became the spotlight villain in Brood War after the Overmind bit it. Also, why wouldn't the Protoss try to kill the Overmind in SC1? You'd have to come up with some weird explanations as to why they wouldn't just kill the guy.

 

[FreedomMussel]

If you didn't like the first Starcraft, then the franchise isn't for you.

I kinda figured that a while ago.

The problem is there’s no other franchise for me to switch to that has any of the same elements I liked about Starcraft. Basically, the only thing I liked about starcraft was the Confederacy, Overmind, and Conclave. There’s no other scifi with anything similar to those. I’ve spent years searching without success.

Also, why wouldn't the Protoss try to kill the Overmind in SC1?

I’m not suggesting that. My idea for Starcraft’s ending is basically this:

Terran victory: terrans lobotomize all zerg into slaves and plunder all protoss tech, stripmine the galaxy to destruction.

Protoss victory: zerg exterminated, terrans converted to khala.

Zerg victory: the zerg eat everyone else, move on to the next galaxy.

You'd have to come up with some weird explanations as to why they wouldn't just kill the guy.

If I wanted the story to last more than one campaign, then I’d rewrite the Overmind to an emergent consciousness of the zerg telepathy. The only way to “kill” it is to kill or lobotomize all the zerg that compose it. Which is much harder than kamikazing a giant target.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

I kinda figured that a while ago.

The problem is there’s no other franchise for me to switch to that has any of the same elements I liked about Starcraft. Basically, the only thing I liked about starcraft was the Confederacy, Overmind, and Conclave. There’s no other scifi with anything similar to those. I’ve spent years searching without success.



I’m not suggesting that. My idea for Starcraft’s ending is basically this:

Terran victory: terrans lobotomize all zerg into slaves and plunder all protoss tech, stripmine the galaxy to destruction.

Protoss victory: zerg exterminated, terrans converted to khala.

Zerg victory: the zerg eat everyone else, move on to the next galaxy.



If I wanted the story to last more than one campaign, then I’d rewrite the Overmind to an emergent consciousness of the zerg telepathy. The only way to “kill” it is to kill or lobotomize all the zerg that compose it. Which is much harder than kamikazing a giant target.

I'm sure there's another sci-fi that can fulfill your need. Again, Halo and Republic Commando have what you're looking for with their bug species.

 

[FreedomMussel]

I'm sure there's another sci-fi that can fulfill your need. Again, Halo and Republic Commando have what you're looking for with their bug species.

No they don’t. The Flood and Genosians don’t have any of the qualities that attracted me to the zerg. The qualities that attracted me to the zerg are everything except Kerry: they assimilate the traits of other species, they eat planets, they have a cast that combines Papa Nurgle with the Tyranid Hivemind, they have organic technology, they are focused on evolution like the Borg, etc.

Also, none of your suggestions have their own fanfic communities and a key reason I engage with fandom is because I like sharing with like-minded people. The zerg have a fanfic community, although it doesn’t interest me at all because it’s all about Kerry/Raynor romance.

Furthermore, that doesn’t take into account the Confederacy or Conclave. It’s a triple package deal for me, or no deal at all.

Believe me when I say that no other scifi setting has what I want. I’ve scoured hundreds of books, games, and movies without success.

The kind of scifi I want doesn’t exist. If I want it, then I have to write it myself. And that would take years at the least.

I shouldn’t even have to be spending years of my life writing the story I wish SC had told. Blizzard should have told the story I wanted in the first place. There should already be a fanfic community for the kinds of stuff I like.

But there isn’t. I’m utterly alone in the universe. And that sucks.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

But there isn’t. I’m utterly alone in the universe. And that sucks.

Pretty much. Most SC fans love SC1 and Brood War.

As for me, it didn't really take me long to write my SC2 fix story. I just sat down one day and started typing.

 

[FreedomMussel]

Pretty much. Most SC fans love SC1 and Brood War.

I don’t care about that. I care that there isn’t a fandom which suits my tastes. I live in a capitalist society. There should be something out there that suits my tastes.

I keep coming back to SC, despite my dislike for the plot and the fandom, because there are no alternatives to occupy my interest.