Starfield - Bethesda's new space IP: will probably be full of fun and easily trackable bugs

[JP098]

It will never stop amusing me that the BOS became the designated 'good guys' of Bethesdas fallout, since their MO in every other game is literally
1) Do they have technology? If yes proceed to 3, if no proceed to 2.
2) Ignore them, shoot them if they annoy you, proceed to 4.
3) Rob them, shoot them if they resist, if where they live is technologically advanced, evict them.
4) Find new people, if new people are found, proceed to 1.

In a nutshell, yes.

 

[TVB]

In Oblivion, the Empire were "good". In Fallout 3, the BoS are "good". So let's not put our critical thinking hats on and just blindly treat them as good guys in all future games.

I'd say New Vegas is still better, and any other Fallout game will never be as good afterwards.

 

[General Emílio Médici]

I kinda liked CP2077 when it came out, though I should say "3 weeks after it came out" since that is when I actually got it and played it. However I also had almost no hype for it, nor was I expecting Sex 2 or something. I just expected something with cool cyborgs and neon. And I got it, but not much else. I am curious about Phantom Liberty and will get it if it ends up good to try a new game on it.

Take with a huge grain of salt, but one guy who received a review code was able to share a few thoughts having played the first few hours.

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VNN Tyler isn't really trustworthy. He hyped the hell out of The Frontier mod for New Vegas back in the day.

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Jesus Christ, reddit is so fucking gay. The amount of people I see getting upset because the big daddy government faction aren't the "good guys" is pathetic.

Of course, they also end up being the retards who thought Imperials and Brotherhood of Steel were the "good guy" factions in Skyrim and Fallout 4.

Redditors aren't even human. These are golems made of soy, plastic merchandise and cheap pop culture.

The Brotherhood of Steel are technocratic fascists. And I mean "fascist" in the actual sense not the cheap one that Redditors like to use. They were quite good, all things considered, for the Fallout setting even if not heroic. Safeguarding tech is a important job that they did, and they were willing to at least negotiate some and avoid going full Enclave.

FO3 BOS of course went all Saturday Morning Cartoon, but honestly looking back I still find it better than what they would become in FO4. They still tried to commit to their main tech salvaging mission but with a humanitarian focus, and you can argue how good or bad that was for them.

But FO4 just went complete imperialist to a retarded degree, to the point where they simply do not even understand their own mission statement. Why the fuck would you nuke the Institute if you are the BoS? As a last resort sure, but as a main objective? Nigger your whole job is tech hoarding and preservation and you are nuking it. You have no excuse. The literal leader of the Institute is siding with you, you can just organize a take over and have the Syths and A.I. projects shut down and keep all the rest.

Fallout 4 writing in general made Fallout 3 look like a damn masterpiece at most points. So many retarded stuff, so much misunderstanding of previous materials, far too much leaning on the camp side of the franchise without the balance of the dark stuff. Fucking kid on a fridge for 200 years.

 

[xXx: State of the Union]

I'd say New Vegas is still better, and any other Fallout game will never be as good afterwards.

This is actually a problem with New Vegas fans as well, where the vast majority will point to NCR as being the "good" faction and don't look at any of the nuance in the story about how a lot of people in the Mojave want their independence and don't like how the NCR just comes in and starts enforcing their will.

 

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Jesus Christ, reddit is so fucking gay. The amount of people I see getting upset because the big daddy government faction aren't the "good guys" is pathetic.

lol this shit really will be the outer worlds with a bigger budget

Of course, they also end up being the retards who thought Imperials and Brotherhood of Steel were the "good guy" factions in Skyrim and Fallout 4.

 

[The Doom Slayer]

The "no bugs" stuff is incredibly hard to believe. In 2023, finding an AAA game that releases with zero bugs is like finding a unicorn. And from Bethesda of all people? Yeah I don't buy it.

 

[Snekposter]

Eh, there was some good boy stuff going on in one of the console games I think. Before that there was the Brotherhood of Steel basically being a militia protecting people between Fallout 1 and 2 to honor the vault dweller, unless I'm mistaken, but I forget what caused the war between them and the NCR. The NCR wanted more tech or something, I believe, but I can't swear by it. It's been so many years.

There was a lot of debate in some other thread here but the TL;DR is that yes, the BoS did reform at some point (see FO1 ending slide about them), but wound up backsliding because the rest of the wasteland recovering and advancing meant they were losing their technological edge, and therefore their only leverage over the people who dwelled there.

 

[Mega Black]

In Fallout 4 I actually think the brotherhood are too evil. I'd prefer it if they were ambivalent towards synths but wanted to kick the institute's shit in but Bethesda making them the fourth Reich always felt like scrambling to give them a major downside.

That's true of every faction though.

 

[General Emílio Médici]

The Minutemen are the only people who seem to have a modicum of common sense when it comes to Fallout 4 factions. The entire Synth thing was really badly implemented, and makes no sense when you try and work it out. Why the fuck would you make your janitor and cleaning bots self aware? The infiltration units sure but regular day to day bots? Just make the Gen II synths a bit better no need to subject self awareness on them. Or what about the fact that the Railroad are basically willing to damage the fuck out of the Commonwealth for their fucking robot pals? Why can't the BoS understand that you can just work out with the local Minutemen to have them do the icky "deal with the outsiders" stuff while they get to huff their farts and masturbate over pre-war toasters?

The plot has some many issues that it looks more like a spider web of tiny threads desperately stretched between huge plot holes.

This is actually a problem with New Vegas fans as well, where the vast majority will point to NCR as being the "good" faction and don't look at any of the nuance in the story about how a lot of people in the Mojave want their independence and don't like how the NCR just comes in and starts enforcing their will.

There is a joke here about Redditors worshipping the "California Uber Alles, America Delenda Est" faction who comes in and demands the locals all submit to them in the name of progress and advancement.

 

[xXx: State of the Union]

The Minutemen are the only people who seem to have a modicum of common sense when it comes to Fallout 4 factions. The entire Synth thing was really badly implemented, and makes no sense when you try and work it out. Why the fuck would you make your janitor and cleaning bots self aware? The infiltration units sure but regular day to day bots? Just make the Gen II synths a bit better no need to subject self awareness on them.

Yeah, for some reason the "you fucked up every faction so here's something so you can still have an ending" path always seems to end up being the least fucked up. Go figure maybe they should follow "keep it simple, stupid"

I find it funny that almost every time I've seen Fallout 4 get brought up, someone at Bethesda is like "Yeah, that was a big mistake we're not doing that in Starfield." (interconnected factions in main storyline, PC voice acting, railroaded background comes to mind)

At the end of the day, this is Todds baby so I wonder how hard he will take anything they fuck up on.

Edit: Also for people that want to laugh at Bethesda/Microsoft incompetence, there are a bunch of Starfield leaks coming out and it looks like it's because they were basically willing to give anyone with more than 1000 subscribers a review copy and now they're big mad about it.

Some people are speculating it could be on torrent sites in a matter of days.

One guy on a forum I go to says his friend with 1500 subs got it and he's been watching him play. Says that the "no bugs" claim is bogus but that it is relatively bug free for a Bethesda game and that what he's seen has mostly been some clipping and animation jank (2 hours in). Also somehow the intro is a lot less annoying than Fallout 3 or Skyrim, but also slower?

 

[CyrusHowler]

11 days left.

 

[moocow]

Cause like not just here, but in other places I'm seeing people bring up No Man's Sky as *the* game and it's really making me scratch my head as to what people think Starfield is going to be if that's the standard we are holding to for space game.

Not enough people know about the X series and that makes me very sad.

 

[Would]

A few people who got a review code copy have posted some of their first impressions. Apparently, even 15 hours in, they haven’t experienced any bugs.

They’ll probably find them later on, but that’s reassuring to hear.

I don't believe for a minute that the taintlickers who whore themselves enough to get review codes are being honest about anything.
It's still the same engine. They have made no reworks to their spaghetti-source-code Morrowind engine and will never do so. Even the titanic flop that was 76's release couldn't shame them into either dumping the engine altogether or announcing they will remake their gamebryo hybrid from the ground up to be up to modern standards.
This is an engine that can't even have the player climb ladders in 2023. Half-Life 1 could do that. 5th generation games could do it. But not that piece of shit modified engine from Bethesda.

It'll be garbage. Pirate it or kill yourself.

Take with a huge grain of salt, but one guy who received a review code was able to share a few thoughts having played the first few hours.
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It's mindblowing how good the game looks for it being creation engine.

You mean the engine that is so shit at culling and occlusion that Bethesda still has a 5 cell draw limit which makes it so anything 10 feet into the distance is either a LOD or not drawn at all?
That engine? Good? LMAO, this Tyler guy is a shill, probably Oxhorn's alt.
They had massive model and texture pop-in during the trailers, the videos that are supposed to show the game at it's best, and you want to tell people that the games looks amazing and is bug-free?

Of course, they also end up being the retards who thought Imperials and Brotherhood of Steel were the "good guy" factions in Skyrim and Fallout 4.

I don't recall reddit calling the BoS the good guys, if anything they call them the fash faction and "right-wing" adjacent.
I remember them sperging about how the only good faction was the Railroad because of their on-the-nose parallels to the underground railroad, but even those guys got tagged as naive and stupid.
That said, redditors don't know how to have fun. Everything has to devolve into politics. The gay space fantasy can't be a gay space fantasy; they have to inject misery and politics into it under the guise of "deep analysis" for (pseudo)intellectual gamers to critique and dissect.

Why the fuck would you nuke the Institute if you are the BoS? As a last resort sure, but as a main objective? Nigger your whole job is tech hoarding and preservation and you are nuking it. You have no excuse.

Let me play Devil's advocate for a second.
- If they can't even understand the Institute's technology and the scientists refuse to explain how their toys work, it's not entirely off the mark to nuke their operations to ensure no one else uses their tech against them in the future.

- Maxson's BoS treats the Institute the same way his ancestor treated the FEV; an abomination that should have never been created and has no place in this earth. It's tech he has deemed not worth conserving or preserving due to it's amoral nature and Maxson seeing no way the tech can be redeemed.

- It kinda is a last resort. Even if the Sole Survivor is the acting director of the Institute, there is never an indication that the Institute would follow them in surrendering to the BoS. We are never even given a single Institute NPC that tries to convince us or others to yield before Maxson. The game implies they will either live free or die, but allowing themselves to be absorbed by the BoS is not an option. So, why would Maxson not want to turn them into a crater if they will not surrender, change, nor reveal their secrets?

That said, I didn't like this BoS because I disliked Maxson's messianic cult of personality. Not one single BoS besides the ghoul whisperer ever refutes him or his ideals. In every other game we can see members who despise the current Elder and view him as either weak or wrong, and we can even influence a coup in some instances. No such thing here, for his last name is Maxson and he wrestled a Deathclaw once.

 

[Would]

This is actually a problem with New Vegas fans as well, where the vast majority will point to NCR as being the "good" faction and don't look at any of the nuance in the story about how a lot of people in the Mojave want their independence and don't like how the NCR just comes in and starts enforcing their will.

The only "good" faction (in the sense that their actions will benefit the Mojave overall as opposed to only a certain demographic or a certain generation) in NV is House.
But because he has outright disdain for Democracy™ and understands that everyone getting equal say means a stunted society due to idiots having as much worth as hard-workers/thinkers in important issues, reddit says he's gotta go.

The Minutemen are the only people who seem to have a modicum of common sense when it comes to Fallout 4 factions.

IDK, they wiped themselves out and are prone to the same corruption and stupidity that the NCR and old-world rule were. They're the firefighters of the Commonwealth Wasteland; their heart's in the right place, but their brains aren't.

The entire Synth thing was really badly implemented

Could be because Todd and Emil didn't really want to bother with it but veteran devs kept bitching about how Todd promised F4 would be in Boston and include synthetic people.
Like most of F4, there's a lot of good ideas with shit execution.

what he's seen has mostly been some clipping and animation jank (

THESE RETARDS SAID THEIR ANIMATION SYSTEM WAS ALL-NEW AND DISCARDED EVERYTHING FROM THEIR OLDER TITLES GYAAAAHHHHHH!!!!
I hate the small lying man so much it's unreal.

Pronouns in character creator

I really hate the small lying man so much it's unreal.

 

[White Devil]

So I can be a space fascist?

 

[Maude Snew]

There is a joke here about Redditors worshipping the "California Uber Alles, America Delenda Est" faction who comes in and demands the locals all submit to them in the name of progress and advancement.

Clearly we need to mobilize the Sneedclave to put an end to the lot.

 

[Total Annihilation]

I'm cautiously optimistic; however after looking into FO76 pre-release reviews I believe the game could easily turn out to be another FO4. I don't believe it'll be as crappy as FO76 was at launch, but I still won't buy into all the hopium around it. It seems a lot of journos tried to say that FO76 was just meh from their early reviews of it, but they didn't want to say anything overly bad about it, perhaps thinking they'd loose access to future Bethesda titles if they talked about the issues.
I'll probably end up playing it, but I sure as hell won't buy it or pay Micro$oft $10 for gamepass.

Articles about FO76 pre-release: https://archive.is/EpNrq - https://archive.is/bMXNC
Link to a Redd*t FO76 review thread: https://archive.is/JC6uT

In the logic of an Angry Joe Vidya I'm gonna guess it'll be a 6.5/10

 

[Gravityqueen4life]

here is your main starfield menu bros.

 

[xXx: State of the Union]

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here is your main starfield menu bros.

Yep, it's a Bethesda main menu.

 

[TVB]

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here is your main starfield menu bros.

>a legit menu screen
>boring
>soulless
Thank you Todd Howard, very cool.