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Here's my point.

They're both total pieces of shit.

No need to keep going on and on about which one has more pieces of corn in it.
You're never going to have a conversation about this game without Outer Worlds being the elephant in the room, much like you cannot talk about Bethesda Fallout games without mentioning Fallout New Vegas. This is a fore-gone conclusion.
Funnily enough, I don't ever imagine you will have serious replies where people say "Starfield was better", it will always be "Both are shit", as if Starfield never had a chance and people are trying to take out their frustrations on the latter instead(similarly to how Bethesda fanboys have to cope that New Vegas is "for trannies" because they know 3, 4 and 76 are inferior in every way that matters)
So basically, what I'm saying is that Obsidian won again, and will continue to do so when the sequel comes out.
 
You're never going to have a conversation about this game without Outer Worlds being the elephant in the room
You're the only guy who seems to keep bringing it up.

Outer Worlds was mediocre at best, bro. I don't think I'd classify either game as being better than the other because they were both such disappointments.
 
Outer Worlds was mediocre at best, bro
Mediocre trumps bland, boring and forgettable, especially when it's better written and actually lets you do the role-playing.
What does Starfield have, if anything, over that game? I guess you can fly a spaceship and build your own from lego blocks. Good for Todd I guess, does it make Starfield a better game? lol, lmao even
People can seethe all they want about both OW and NV but they will just have to cope that both games are superior, and if OW really is "mediocre", then that means that a B Team tier effort from a superior studio on a much smaller time table and budget can still beat Todd's "next gen magnum opus", that's even more humiliating. This isn't something I would be proud, I would just take the L if I was a Bethesda fanboy.
 
Mediocre trumps bland, boring and forgettable
You just described Outer Worlds.

Edit: What actually *is* your deal, anyways? You've already admitted that you haven't even played Starfield and just hate on it cause it's "fun". Why not actually play Outer Worlds instead of just being mad at a mediocre game all the time?
 
Mediocre trumps bland, boring and forgettable, especially when it's better written and actually lets you do the role-playing.
What does Starfield have, if anything, over that game? I guess you can fly a spaceship and build your own from lego blocks. Good for Todd I guess, does it make Starfield a better game? lol, lmao even
People can seethe all they want about both OW and NV but they will just have to cope that both games are superior, and if OW really is "mediocre", then that means that a B Team tier effort from a superior studio on a much smaller time table and budget can still beat Todd's "next gen magnum opus", that's even more humiliating. This isn't something I would be proud, I would just take the L if I was a Bethesda fanboy.

You seem to be obsessed with this idea of "Obsidian vs Bethesda" fanboys or "FO3 vs FONV".

All of that kind of shit is really fucking gay. You should let it go.

We're not talking about wins vs losses when it comes to OW vs Starfield

Everyone has already lost.

We're sifting through the rubble.
 
You're never going to have a conversation about this game without Outer Worlds being the elephant in the room
Dude, Outer Worlds only sold as well as it did because it was advertised as being by the people behind the Original Fallout, in the aftermath of Fallout 76's launch being the massive dumpster fire anyone with half a brain could've predicted it would be. That doesn't change the fact that the game was mid at absolute best, and that Obsidian had lost a lot of the magic that went into New Vegas, which despite the praise that game gets for its writing and world, is a buggy fucking mess held together by duct tape and prayer.
Edit: What actually *is* your deal, anyways? You've already admitted that you haven't even played Starfield and just hate on it cause it's "fun". Why not actually play Outer Worlds instead of just being mad at a mediocre game all the time?
At this point, I'm assuming either shitpost, or Sony Pony who's really upset that Bethesda is now owned by the enemy. Daily reminder - caring about the console war, especially in 2023 going on 2024, makes you fucking retarded.
 
You just described Outer Worlds.
Any way you put it, OW is both a superior game and a superior space RPG(one that is actually an RPG, that is). If you put it down, it just makes Starfield look even worse, as there is no scenario where that game is superior, even to a B tier effort on a lower budget and development time.
For the record, I don't really even see the "hate" for the game, OW that is. Many people see it as a disappointment, others see it as a wasted opportunity, others claim that it's not bad but it definitely could be better. The only people I see that actively hate it are either Bethesda fanboys or /v/irgins, neither of which have a single opinion that matters. In contrast, I've yet to see anyone even taking Starfield seriously unless they were serious zealots of church of Bethesda/Xbox.
You can continue crying and giving me stickers, but I'm right and you know it. Just look how dead the thread is only about 2 months after release when we're having this discussion to begin with, even OW has more potential for a passionate discussion than Starfield, that was Dead on Arrival anyways(or should I say before the arrival as the leaks killed the game in the womb)

Anyways, I said my piece and I'm right, so let's not derail this this thread any further. Not sure what can even be said about (inferior) Starfield until the next patch or DLC gets announced, other than me maybe getting another excuse to talk about the (superior) OW and how it's DLC is better(Not surprising, considering NV DLC were better than the 3/4 ones, aside from maybe Far Harbor and the guy behind it was let go recently)
 
Any way you put it, OW is both a superior game and a superior space RPG(one that is actually an RPG, that is). If you put it down, it just makes Starfield look even worse, as there is no scenario where that game is superior, even to a B tier effort on a lower budget and development time.
For the record, I don't really even see the "hate" for the game, OW that is. Many people see it as a disappointment, others see it as a wasted opportunity, others claim that it's not bad but it definitely could be better. The only people I see that actively hate it are either Bethesda fanboys or /v/irgins, neither of which have a single opinion that matters. In contrast, I've yet to see anyone even taking Starfield seriously unless they were serious zealots of church of Bethesda/Xbox.
You can continue crying and giving me stickers, but I'm right and you know it. Just look how dead the thread is only about 2 months after release when we're having this discussion to begin with, even OW has more potential for a passionate discussion than Starfield, that was Dead on Arrival anyways(or should I say before the arrival as the leaks killed the game in the womb)

Anyways, I said my piece and I'm right, so let's not derail this this thread any further. Not sure what can even be said about (inferior) Starfield until the next patch or DLC gets announced, other than me maybe getting another excuse to talk about the (superior) OW and how it's DLC is better(Not surprising, considering NV DLC were better than the 3/4 ones, aside from maybe Far Harbor and the guy behind it was let go recently)

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The thread's already plenty derailed. Half the discussion for the last 20 pages has been about other games.
Funny, I think OW(superior RPG) just got stronger reactions from people just now than Starfield ever did in it's short lifespan thus far. There is no way people will be talking about it still after, what, 4 years from now unless they're talking about why Bethesda games formula just doesn't work anymore.
At that point in time, OW2 will probably be out and so that debate will be put to rest permanently anyways
 
Funny, I think OW(superior RPG) just got stronger reactions from people just now than Starfield ever did in it's short lifespan thus far. There is no way people will be talking about it still after, what, 4 years from now unless they're talking about why Bethesda games formula just doesn't work anymore.
At that point in time, OW2 will probably be out and so that debate will be put to rest permanently anyways

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Outer Worlds has even less variety than Starfield. Every quest is awful. Everyone is in universe mentally retarded. Combat is just "shoot until dead" since AI is even more retarded and just zerg rushes you. It's ungodly expensive to upgrade weapons that you're encouraged to do so. It just becomes a looter shooter where you use the latest gun you got after leveling up. Companions are useless and annoying. There's like 10 total guns and 10 armor sets. My dumb ass even got all the achievements in that game near its launch because I desperately wanted the game to be good but no, it never was. It simply existed.
 
Any way you put it, OW is both a superior game and a superior space RPG(one that is actually an RPG, that is). If you put it down, it just makes Starfield look even worse, as there is no scenario where that game is superior, even to a B tier effort on a lower budget and development time.
For the record, I don't really even see the "hate" for the game, OW that is. Many people see it as a disappointment, others see it as a wasted opportunity, others claim that it's not bad but it definitely could be better. The only people I see that actively hate it are either Bethesda fanboys or /v/irgins, neither of which have a single opinion that matters. In contrast, I've yet to see anyone even taking Starfield seriously unless they were serious zealots of church of Bethesda/Xbox.
You can continue crying and giving me stickers, but I'm right and you know it. Just look how dead the thread is only about 2 months after release when we're having this discussion to begin with, even OW has more potential for a passionate discussion than Starfield, that was Dead on Arrival anyways(or should I say before the arrival as the leaks killed the game in the womb)

Anyways, I said my piece and I'm right, so let's not derail this this thread any further. Not sure what can even be said about (inferior) Starfield until the next patch or DLC gets announced, other than me maybe getting another excuse to talk about the (superior) OW and how it's DLC is better(Not surprising, considering NV DLC were better than the 3/4 ones, aside from maybe Far Harbor and the guy behind it was let go recently)

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I'm sure people would love to argue with you about Starfield vs Outer Worlds, but no one can even remember playing that game because it was so forgettable.

Outer Worlds 2 will suck just like Avowed will suck.

Your cope about Outer Worlds is so sad it makes me think you're actually Tim Cain.

Obsidian and Bethesda are dead.
you can shit on starfield withevery single reason but at least it doesnt had a so quirky asexual dyke who lore dumps her entire fucking life history in the first 2 hours of the fucking game. the outer worlds was ass.

also on other note, no, cyberpunk isnt good now you fucking morons.
 
Outer Worlds has even less variety than Starfield. Every quest is awful. Everyone is in universe mentally retarded. Combat is just "shoot until dead" since AI is even more retarded and just zerg rushes you. It's ungodly expensive to upgrade weapons that you're encouraged to do so. It just becomes a looter shooter where you use the latest gun you got after leveling up. Companions are useless and annoying. There's like 10 total guns and 10 armor sets. My dumb ass even got all the achievements in that game near its launch because I desperately wanted the game to be good but no, it never was. It simply existed.
Game is much smaller and more focused, which is something that Todd could have learned a thing or two from instead of just creating 1000 planets, 980 of which are empty and have boring AI generated events. Note that OW has only a few select locations, but each one has something on it, be it a quest, a few towns or what have you. This is what Starfield should have done.
I disagree about the combat, while it is true the enemies are stupid(as if Bethesda AI was any better) and that there is small amount of arms available, each fulfills it's purpose and the game has a quick-paced feel to it. To compare it to Starfield, the latter has a jetpack, which doesn't add much to the game unless you're in a rare instance of a vertical or zero-gee environment, where as OW has Bullet Time that can completely turn things around at a critical moment. Starfield has no equivalent to VATS, where as I think this is a viable evolution of the mode(try looking what Bethesda did with it in Fallout 76, it sucks). Moreover, OW has blood and gore plenty, Starfield meanwhile? That would be too much work, forget we already have all the coding and assets from Fallout and Skyrim.
One thing about companions, while it is true that they are "useless and annoying" they have their own Leadership skills you need to raise, they actually become very powerful at higher levels to the point where you barely have to do any of the fighting yourself(at the cost of you not being as good at combat yourself, likely investing the skill points into stealth or diplomacy instead. Roleplaying and build nuance, remember that little feature?)

You say that the game "merely existed", but look at the reaction you and others itt gave. It's much more than "merely existing", more like an affront to nature to me. You think anyone else will have a reaction that strong to defending Starfield several months down the line?(If you do, please direct them to me. I love bullying Bethesda fanboys).

Oh, I almost forgot because it was a given, but do you know which space RPG has had an optional Survival mode available from day 1, with the base game fully adhering to it instead of acting as a poorly thought out feature tapered on in the last minute? Yep, just like New Vegas, OW has one too, very similar to the one in that game too. Starfield, where is your survival mode? Even Fallout 4 got one eventually!

I could go on(very easily), but my point is that OW is exactly what the game was SUPPOSED to be like, and Starfield isn't just inferior(or at best on a similar level) to Obsidian's "mid game" but also brings pretty much nothing new to the table that Fallout 4 or Skyrim didn't have, again unless you consider Space Combat or Lego Blocks to be a groundbreaking new feature worthy of 70$ and an SSD.

at least it doesnt had a so quirky asexual dyke who lore dumps her entire fucking life history in the first 2 hours of the fucking game
Someone clearly haven't taken a good look at NPCs and characters in Starfield!
 
Outer Worlds has even less variety than Starfield. Every quest is awful. Everyone is in universe mentally retarded. Combat is just "shoot until dead" since AI is even more retarded and just zerg rushes you. It's ungodly expensive to upgrade weapons that you're encouraged to do so. It just becomes a looter shooter where you use the latest gun you got after leveling up. Companions are useless and annoying. There's like 10 total guns and 10 armor sets. My dumb ass even got all the achievements in that game near its launch because I desperately wanted the game to be good but no, it never was. It simply existed.
Which, unfortunately, is the point. Something compelled both you and me to actually finish the game whereas Starfield was so devoid of gameplay, plot, or anything to actually do I dropped it like a hot potato. OW is a terrible game, but there's actually a fucking game there unlike Starfield which is nothing but a loading screen simulator.
 
Mediocre trumps bland, boring and forgettable, especially when it's better written and actually lets you do the role-playing.
What does Starfield have, if anything, over that game? I guess you can fly a spaceship and build your own from lego blocks. Good for Todd I guess, does it make Starfield a better game? lol, lmao even
People can seethe all they want about both OW and NV but they will just have to cope that both games are superior, and if OW really is "mediocre", then that means that a B Team tier effort from a superior studio on a much smaller time table and budget can still beat Todd's "next gen magnum opus", that's even more humiliating. This isn't something I would be proud, I would just take the L if I was a Bethesda fanboy.
Mediocre IS bland, boring, and forgettable.
 
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