Starfield - Bethesda's new space IP: will probably be full of fun and easily trackable bugs

[Mr.Miyagi]

I don’t think there’s anything inherently wrong with the “NASA-Punk (what a gay term, it’s just western hard sci-fi)” aesthetic, and I don’t think a universe NEEDS intelligent aliens to be interesting or unique. Science-fiction is awesome because of its versatility as a genre because you can do anything with it and it can work. Variety is the spice of life after all, and you can’t expect everything to be like one singular science-fiction IP when you have a whole universe of possible shit out there to exist.

That being said though, you need to make the world ACTUALLY interesting via world building. Starfield is literally a hollow husk. There’s no identity to it.

It's funny, but when Sniperwoof was talking about how a Sci-Fi Western aesthetic would work better, I was thinking about Rimworld, and how that game has a better sci-fi setting and universe, despite it taking place entirely on a single randomly generated planet. No flying around to different worlds, there's no FTL travel, no aliens (but there is genemodding now), but it still manages to have a more interesting setup than a game where you can actually fly around in space. It's just baffling how bland Starfield came out. I guess they should've bought Tynan's book.

 

[Gender: Xenomorph]

Bethesda took the time to actually respond to negative reviews, and it's a shitstorm.

I think the purpose is to get feedback from people, but they also try to debunk the reviews with the shittiest meme excuses.

One that stood out to me was "blank empty planets aren't boring, astronauts went on the moon and it was blank, they didn't get bored"

Just lmao

 

[30+GameOvers]

Bethesda took the time to actually respond to negative reviews, and it's a shitstorm.

I think the purpose is to get feedback from people, but they also try to debunk the reviews with the shittiest meme excuses.

One that stood out to me was "blank empty planets aren't boring, astronauts went on the moon and it was blank, they didn't get bored"

Just lmao

I've heard that "boring moon" excuse, but you know what they also had? A moon rover
Post some salt BTW

 

[Gender: Xenomorph]

I've heard that "boring moon" excuse, but you know what they also had? A moon rover
Post some salt BTW

Can't for the next 36h; away from my pc.

I'm surprised it wasn't mentioned yet. Look at the top negative steam reviews. A desperate user engagement person took the time to respond to every single negative review. Each response is saltier than the last.

 

[Mr.Miyagi]

I'm surprised it wasn't mentioned yet. Look at the top negative steam reviews. A desperate user engagement person took the time to respond to every single negative review. Each response is saltier than the last.

I really have to wonder what the purpose is in getting some minwage customer service rep to copy and paste responses to specific criticisms over and over again on Steam. It sure doesn't make me go "Wow! Bethesda is listening to player feedback and is dedicated to improving the game!" Especially when a lot of the canned responses are "We made things like this intentionally." or "If you're bored, go do side quests."

 

[Asian tech support]

I'm surprised it wasn't mentioned yet. Look at the top negative steam reviews. A desperate user engagement person took the time to respond to every single negative review. Each response is saltier than the last.

I didn't even know people could interact with steam reviews beyond those little sticker things. Steam really needs a proper forum and one without dev's community managers/stooges being the jannies.

Starfield is an RPG with hundreds of hours of quests to complete and characters to meet. Most quests will also vary on your character’s skills and decisions, massively changing the outcome of your playthrough. Try creating different characters with backgrounds and characteristics that clash or are oppositive of your previous character. You will feel like you are playing a totally different game

Thanks janny, real helpful.

 

[scathefire]

One that stood out to me was "blank empty planets aren't boring, astronauts went on the moon and it was blank, they didn't get bored"

Neil Armstrong wasn't bored because he was on the fucking moon in real life, somewhere that no human being had ever been before. What's engaging in a game and engaging in real life are fundamentally different. This is all obvious of course but it shows that that argument falls apart within like 10 seconds of thinking about it.

 

[anustart76]

Neil Armstrong wasn't bored because he was on the fucking moon in real life, somewhere that no human being had ever been before. What's engaging in a game and engaging in real life are fundamentally different. This is all obvious of course but it shows that that argument falls apart within like 10 seconds of thinking about it.

It's the same exact reason that games don't cause violence or sexual assault or whatever. The magic of a game is that you can do things that you could never or would never do in real life.

 

[Snekposter]

Neil Armstrong wasn't bored because he was on the fucking moon in real life, somewhere that no human being had ever been before. What's engaging in a game and engaging in real life are fundamentally different. This is all obvious of course but it shows that that argument falls apart within like 10 seconds of thinking about it.

Its a really shitty argument because we already went to the Moon in an FPS game, and we had tons of fun because we were vaporizing Nazis with laser rifles the entire time, and that was eight years ago.

 

[Commander X]

 

[Sniperwoof]

I got drunk and played another fifteen or so hours of this and I found some more stupid shit I want to talk about.

In some side quest I met a Jew, how do I know the NPC is Jewish? Because his dialogue is literally "Hi I'm Jewish can I talk to you about the Jews? I said yes thinking maybe he'd say something funny and it turns Vile Spacemo here is recording the history of the Jewish people on a bunch of holotapes because he fears in the future they'll be wiped out.

1- First of all dude it's the year 3118 or something if the Jews were going to be Shoa'd it would have happened already.

2- It is literally canon that in this universe that one of the largest religions is a weird version of space Mormonism where they worship a celestial space serpent. If that's a thing no one is going to give a fuck that you have a big nose and like money.

I also noticed that in Starfield there are no androids, cyborgs, or sentient AIs. There are Boston Dynamics robots with guns but nothing sentient or capable of independent thought, why? We have primitive AI today. You'd think by the year 3100 they'd have something and those are such staples of the sci fi genre the complete absence of them is very noticeable.

Finally I noticed one of the tenants of the snake cult people is "it's ok to lie and deceive non believers to accomplish your goals." In real life this is a verse in the Koran which is probably unintentional but kind of funny.

 

[Mr.Miyagi]

I also noticed that in Starfield there are no androids, cyborgs, or sentient AIs. There are Boston Dynamics robots with guns but nothing sentient or capable of independent thought, why? We have primitive AI today. You'd think by the year 3100 they'd have something and those are such staples of the sci fi genre the complete absence of them is very noticeable.

Sorry, only boring, ugly humans allowed. Can't have anything too interesting or cool in the game, it might stick out too much.

 

[Super Hans v2]

I also noticed that in Starfield there are no androids, cyborgs, or sentient AIs.

In the very small amount of world building Emil did, it's explained away that AI and mecha in general were declared illegal, like in 40k, after one of the recent-ish wars. Being a absolute retard, of course, he thought this was consistent with the Vanguard questline.

 

[Love Is Blue]

In some side quest I met a Jew, how do I know the NPC is Jewish? Because his dialogue is literally "Hi I'm Jewish can I talk to you about the Jews? I said yes thinking maybe he'd say something funny and it turns Vile Spacemo here is recording the history of the Jewish people on a bunch of holotapes because he fears in the future they'll be wiped out.

did he try to sell you the holotape?

 

[Sniperwoof]

In the very small amount of world building Emil did, it's explained away that AI and mecha in general were declared illegal, like in 40k, after one of the recent-ish wars. Being a absolute retard, of course, he thought this was consistent with the Vanguard questline.

Then outlaws like the Crimson Fleet should have mecha since they operate outside of the rule of the UC.

Kind of like how in Oblivion necromancy is illegal so the only necromancers you meet are bandits.

 

[30+GameOvers]

I got drunk and played another fifteen or so hours of this and I found some more stupid shit I want to talk about.

In some side quest I met a Jew, how do I know the NPC is Jewish? Because his dialogue is literally "Hi I'm Jewish can I talk to you about the Jews? I said yes thinking maybe he'd say something funny and it turns Vile Spacemo here is recording the history of the Jewish people on a bunch of holotapes because he fears in the future they'll be wiped out.

1- First of all dude it's the year 3118 or something if the Jews were going to be Shoa'd it would have happened already.

2- It is literally canon that in this universe that one of the largest religions is a weird version of space Mormonism where they worship a celestial space serpent. If that's a thing no one is going to give a fuck that you have a big nose and like money.

I also noticed that in Starfield there are no androids, cyborgs, or sentient AIs. There are Boston Dynamics robots with guns but nothing sentient or capable of independent thought, why? We have primitive AI today. You'd think by the year 3100 they'd have something and those are such staples of the sci fi genre the complete absence of them is very noticeable.

Finally I noticed one of the tenants of the snake cult people is "it's ok to lie and deceive non believers to accomplish your goals." In real this is a verse in the Koran which is probably unintentional but kind of funny.

Did you visit the museum?

I know Earth is dead, most of our history and legacy is destroyed, literally all animal species from Earth are now extinct and what remains of human civilization in space seems to be mostly composed of low IQ non-whites and homosexuals, leading to the inevitable state of decay for the few remaining human settlements and even now we still fight pointless wars with mechs and space-deathclaws that accomplish absolutely nothing as space pirates just profit off our own incompetence and lack of unity.
I know all of that sounds awful, but did you know about this Hitler fellow who killed 12 million of the chosen on Earth like 1200 years ago? This is what we really need to reflect on, forget literally every other conflict or tragedy in the history of our species, both on and off of earth.
#NeverForget

 

[Super Hans v2]

Then outlaws like the Crimson Fleet should have mecha since they operate outside of the rule of the UC.

You misunderstand, AI is SUPER ILLEGAL, not just basic bitch against the law. Not even shitheads who un-extinct xenomorphs would do something as awful as making life-saving mechs to, for instance, go into mines. Why did you think the galaxy is filled with so many abandoned outposts?

God, I fucking hate Emil.

 

[Sniperwoof]

You misunderstand, AI is SUPER ILLEGAL, not just basic bitch against the law. Not even shitheads who un-extinct xenomorphs would do something as awful as making life-saving mechs to, for instance, go into mines. Why did you think the galaxy is filled with so many abandoned outposts?

God, I fucking hate Emil.

Isn't that the same guy that made the Dark Brotherhood and Thieves Guild suck in Skyrim?

 

[Asian tech support]

Isn't that the same guy that made the Dark Brotherhood and Thieves Guild suck in Skyrim?

He did both the Oblivion and Skyrim Dark Brotherhoods and Allah forgive me for saying this, also directed Fallout 4.

 

[AmpleApricots]

Kinda reminds me of Derek Smarts' BC3000AD forum. (Yes, I'm old) The point basically always was "If you don't have fun you're playing it wrong and you're an idiot, this game is actually good." He had a bunch of people that somehow got stockholm syndrom'd into liking that unfinished mess.

Quite funnily, it still probably was a better space game than Starfield as it let you teleport, or land shuttles and vehicles (or even your main space vehicle iirc) with entire crews on whichever part of the planets the game had you wanted. Seamlessly. You could even take your orbital vehicles and make bombing runs on planet-side enemy installations.

Satire is dead.

RE: Plots, I have the feeling soon they'll just be written by AIs. They might actually turn out better.