Steven Crowder / LouderWithCrowder / @scrowder / The "Change my Mind" meme guy - Talk show host who burns all bridges, even with his own wife

[Piggle Rick]

The “previous owner” probably wasn’t Steven but rather Hillary.

Nope, it was the owner before Steven. That’s what “the previous owner” means.
Why would you think Hilary would sign a statement supporting Steven in this dispute with Jared?

 

[NewFagWhore]

Another thing id like to say aboot Chowder.

Im pretty sure most people either know him from CMM or his encounter with triggly puff in 2015. Im the latter, and the video title was “young comedian DESTROYS leftist student” or something like that, its not the “x destroys libturd” thats cringy, that was acceptable back then, its that the video was on his own channel, so chowder likes to identify as a “comedian” which is hilarious in itself, but imagine talking about yourself in 3rd person on your own channel and branding yourself young and a comedian. This guy was always a cringy narcissistic shitfaggot and the forced laughs from all of his cohosts are the worst too. I feel so bad for them.

EDIT: video in question: https://youtu.be/oss7KmiHLmA?feature=shared

Just look at that title lmao

 

[Argon]

Just thought of something, whilst I’m not denying Steven is an extremely closeted homosexual, where are his ex-bum chums?

American gays tend to be horrifically liberal and one of them saying they’d fucked Crowder would destroy him.

so, either he’s never acted on his urges, which would explain why he’s angry and tense or the time, or he’s in a group of closeted conservative/populists who fuck each other like demented rabbits whenever people aren‘t looking.

Probably made them sign an NDA

 

[mold]

There's also the fact that the longer this scandal continues to be hot, the worse Crowder looks. It also increases the chance of other people coming forward or teaming up with his ex-wife. Also, things entered into the court record will stay in the court record and be accessible by everybody willing to pay a small fee, including every enemy he has ever made and any gossip site. If there's anything Crowder has, its secrets. An attorney can easily punish the opposition by finding ways to enter embarrassing details into the official record, or even allegations.

He has every incentive for this to be over as soon as possible. In fact, in the correspondence from his wife's camp they acknowledge that the longer this goes on the worse this is for him, and dragging it out is strategic.

I have never enjoyed a single Crowder video I've tried to watch but his wife is trying to fuck him hard. Whether that's deserved or right is a different matter, but I think it's weird to pretend that's not her intent. This is a nasty affair involving nasty people.

that's how this kind of divorce works

I'd like to see a game theory analysis of divorce. it's one of the clearest examples of a situation where rational cooperative behavior ends up harming you and the party willing to do the most fucked up shit is the one who wins.

you start out playing one game that is sort of analyzable anaolgy to the prisoner's dilemma, but once one side starts going scorched earth certain possibilities immediately become closed.

once one party starts behaving adversarially the only possible path to not getting turbofucked is to go harder. You have to demonstrate that you're willing to suffer some to make the other guy suffer more.

it's pretty much impossible to judge from who has filed what action who was responsible for the initial escalation. My intuition is that a mother of infant twins who was the original esclator would be behaving a lot more erratically whereas Crowder's behavior is generally consistent with him being the one who decided to go to war, but who knows.

Another thing people are not taking into account is that after a certain point no one is making any decisions, everyone is just doing what their lawyers tell them to do.

 

[6thRanger]

I'd like to see a game theory analysis of divorce.

It's as you describe, an extension of a prisoner's dilemma. It remains that throughout, it's just that the penalties in the decision matrix continue to change and escalate as they play multiple rounds. I have no idea how to make proper tables on this website so I'll have to use some clunky text.

What changes is the incentive for "defect" (wreck the other) while getting the other to "cooperate" goes through the roof while the incentive for them both collaborating falls through the floor with every single round. So the game essentially becomes who can fuck the other harder while getting the other to "cooperate". The tweak is that because of how our legal and social system is structured, Crowder loses no matter what, it's about how much he can mitigate loss.

Round 1 was Crowder choosing not to collaborate peacefully and doing his "chose wrong" announcement. This was the only point where collaboration was a logical competitor to defection/combat. He ruined it.

Round 2 of the game (since incentives now favor defection/combat unambiguously) Haley choose not to collaborate and release the ring video. By Round 3, the incentive to achieve a defect, she cooperates outcome for Crowder is through the roof. I'm not excusing or condoning it but this is why many spouses kill each other during divorce. At this point in the game it is "logical" to take massive action to ensure the other person "cooperates".

There is no longer a meaningful cooperative outcome on the table, because at this point the incentives in the game theory matrix make it so whoever "cooperates" is getting fucked. Lawyers are essentially there to translate this game into legalese and ensure your heart-strings don't get tugged on for you to "cooperate".

 

[sneedem&feedem]

I've been trying to catch up via highlights to find what counteracts the filings from Crowder's camp. According to what I saw in this thread, Jared is correct cause Crowder is a faggot that beats his wife but I'm not exactly sure how that put a gun against his head to sign an NDA.

I do genuinely hope someone makes a thread on Lolcow LLP that just has all the claims with their supporting evidence and filters out all the noise.

 

[Regular_Non_Spy_Phone]

The only aspect of this I found interesting was how it was all predicted/publicized by Owen Benjamin years ago. Perhaps not “predicted,” but rather described as if he had inside information. And if Crowder is in the closet, which it seems like he is, then how could Owen Benjamin know all of these things about him – and say them publicly – all while Crowder loudly ignored it all? Especially considering Owen was not under any NDAs while working with Crowder like the rest of Crowder's employees. My current working hypothesis: Crowder was actually the bottom in this case and Owen was the top. The top can then continue their power play on their bottom via public mockery, but how could this supposed Christiain alpha male (closeted bottom) ever come out and jeopardize people knowing he was actually dominated like that? Maybe it seems Owen hates homosexuality too much for that to be possible, but I think many of these people – especially back then – viewed power (especially power over people) to be more desirable than anything else.

 

[SBG]

Nope, it was the owner before Steven. That’s what “the previous owner” means.
Why would you think Hilary would sign a statement supporting Steven in this dispute with Jared?

Honestly I lost track of what went on with this story since it felt like a footnote. Read to me like she made a dick move then retracted as a mea culpa for whatever reason (maybe to have Steven let up on another issue?). Seems weirder imagining Steven’s team of lawyers tracking down the dog’s owner from years ago to sign a statement rather than it being Steven and whoever talking this out. But I suppose with as much money as he has I shouldn’t have viewed that as implausible.

But I assumed this was related to Hillary since that’s how Gerald, the Crowder employee, had framed it. So you’re saying this was entirely unrelated to her cases and from Jared instead? I thought there wasn’t even a case with Jared right now and just some petition to help with a fishing expedition.

 

[FuhrerMustang]

I also wonder this. Do true conservatives shun the limelight? Is conservatism destroyed by wealth and fame? Are conservatives too desperate for public voices that they fail to discern obvious grifters? Is it a consequence of conservatism being reactionary? Are conservatives just dumb as a cohort?

Ex Catholic Media guy Steve Skojec had a good take on this when Voris was outed for perusing the Detroit gay bars again: https://skojecfile.steveskojec.com/p/michael-voris-trapped-and-exposed

 

[NewFagWhore]

The only aspect of this I found interesting was how it was all predicted/publicized by Owen Benjamin years ago. Perhaps not “predicted,” but rather described as if he had inside information. And if Crowder is in the closet, which it seems like he is, then how could Owen Benjamin know all of these things about him – and say them publicly – all while Crowder loudly ignored it all? Especially considering Owen was not under any NDAs while working with Crowder like the rest of Crowder's employees. My current working hypothesis: Crowder was actually the bottom in this case and Owen was the top. The top can then continue their power play on their bottom via public mockery, but how could this supposed Christiain alpha male (closeted bottom) ever come out and jeopardize people knowing he was actually dominated like that? Maybe it seems Owen hates homosexuality too much for that to be possible, but I think many of these people – especially back then – viewed power (especially power over people) to be more desirable than anything else.

Its entirely possible that
1) owen being a schizo meant that his word wouldnt be taken seriously by anyone
2) crowder (or his legal team) thought pursuing owen over this meant barbara streisanding the shit our of his claims
3) owen wasnt under any strict NDA considering he wasnt a regular part of the show and was more of a guest character, if i remember correctly.

Owens video was retweeted by jared with “+1” or a “” as i recall, and considering the fact that he was being law-raped by crowder at that moment it would make sense that thats all he would be able to say.

Also owen has that “big bear” persona that he built up so its not out of the question that he would be topping, but to be honest i seriously doubt that hes a faggot.

 

[Regular_Non_Spy_Phone]

Its entirely possible that
1) owen being a schizo meant that his word wouldnt be taken seriously by anyone
2) crowder (or his legal team) thought pursuing owen over this meant barbara streisanding the shit our of his claims
3) owen wasnt under any strict NDA considering he wasnt a regular part of the show and was more of a guest character, if i remember correctly.

Owens video was retweeted by jared with “+1” or a “” as i recall, and considering the fact that he was being law-raped by crowder at that moment it would make sense that thats all he would be able to say.

Also owen has that “big bear” persona that he built up so its not out of the question that he would be topping, but to be honest i seriously doubt that hes a faggot.

1) They have to be pretty delusional to think no one will take someone with millions of views on Twitter seriously, which he did have at some points - as well as millions on some YouTube videos before being banned (and thus "confirmed correct," to many). Then, about a year ago, Candace Owens also outed Crowder as potentially closeted - which once again drew a lot of traffic to Owen's original clips & posts about Crowder being closeted. And then still Crowder would not say a word about it.

2) They persued Jared because he was under NDA and I think even non-compete to such an extent that leaving Crowder's show basically meant it would be difficult for him to continue his comedy career without potential lawsuits.

3) Owen always refused to be under NDA, perhaps because his handler(s) do not allow it. I don't have proof Owen has handlers, but he has broken stuff that I don't think he figured out himself. Stuff that I know the top handlers of the world want dragged through the worst mud available so as to not gain any favorable light.

The "Big Bear" persona isn't a wink to being closeted - even though my working hypothesis here is that Owen has done stuff with closeted homosexuals. Big Bear serves many purposes to a rhetorician with a massive ego. Owen has said he is "bravo to alphas like Vince Vaughn" (approximate quote), and Vince Vaughn was publicly known as Big Bear before Owen (and if I recall Owen has admitted to knowing that).

 

[6thRanger]

Ex Catholic Media guy Steve Skojec had a good take on this when Voris was outed for perusing the Detroit gay bars again: https://skojecfile.steveskojec.com/p/michael-voris-trapped-and-exposed

This was an interesting writeup. Thanks for sharing it. I enjoyed reading it. To sum it up for everyone without the framing device and backstory, I can quote the first sentence of the list in the core section.

Why does this keep happening?
1. There’s no gentle way to say it: most human beings really do fit the “sheep” metaphor used in the scriptures.

2. There is a colossal leadership vacuum in both society and especially the Church. Men like Voris, whether consciously or subconsciously, target this paucity and step in to fill the void.

3. Many human beings lose all capacity for discernment when encountering someone online.

Two other points are raised during that article that are relevant here.

If you are truly Christian, but homosexual, religion, in particular catholicism has no real answer for you. Your only true pathway is to deny your sexuality. Current Catholic Ethics, which offer a compromise by splitting the orientation from the act, out these men into a state of mental and physical chastity which is unhealthy. The concept of possibly no longer being gay through Christ creates people like Crowder.

Most of these men are in a battle with themselves and their own nature. The state of mental and physical chastity they're in and standard they hold themselves to causes them to crusade against others relentlessly. They are restless, agitated men full of self-loathing, and that behavior must come out somewhere.

 

[Regular_Non_Spy_Phone]

The concept of possibly no longer being gay through Christ creates people like Crowder.

Blame those against sin for the rise sinners? That seems to be the common argument, but I've never seen it argued coherently. Heterosexuality is rejected and supressed in many ways by religion too... So it does not follow that the reason for a sin is its lack of acceptance - but that is the standard automatic retort by the mainstream.

You can explain this with the warmest body langauge, most welcoming smile, tell them you don't hate them and don't want to kill them - and still, they typically then rush to the wrong conclusion as if believing otherwise would cause them to perish: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZ5Q2CXLOUI
And that is true... They must fight for this false identity to stay alive or else it might go away!

 

[FuhrerMustang]

Blame those against sin for the rise sinners? That seems to be the common argument, but I've never seen it argued coherently. Heterosexuality is rejected and supressed in many ways by religion too... So it does not follow that the reason for a sin is its lack of acceptance - but that is the standard automatic retort by the mainstream.

You can explain this with the warmest body langauge, most welcoming smile, tell them you don't hate them and don't want to kill them - and still, they typically then rush to the wrong conclusion as if believing otherwise would cause them to perish: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZ5Q2CXLOUI
And that is true... They must fight for this false identity to stay alive or else it might go away!

Traditionally, marriage was an easy out for normal people as CS Lewis pointed out repeatedly. StoneToss comic aside, gays are in a shit position in any real Church and they know it. But StoneToss comic is creating more of them in modern times.

 

[Regular_Non_Spy_Phone]

Traditionally, marriage was an easy out for normal people as CS Lewis pointed out repeatedly. StoneToss comic aside, gays are in a shit position in any real Church and they know it. But StoneToss comic is creating more of them in modern times.

Marriage is an "easy out" of what? Gays being in a shit position in the church does not make them victims of the church. Criminals are in a shit position in prison... StoneToss comics are creating more of what?

 

[FuhrerMustang]

Marriage is an "easy out" of what? Gays being in a shit position in the church does not make them victims of the church. Criminals are in a shit position in prison... StoneToss comics are creating more of what?

1. Out of sexual sin. 2. I didn't say that they were victims, only that they have a shit hand and I wouldn't want to be in their shoes. 3. Filtered.

 

[Slython]

I should preface that IANAL but Crowder should lose all his cases based solely on what a monumental faggot he is.

His cosplaying as an alpha heterosexual is the biggest grift of them all.

 

[Devout Muslim]

The concept of possibly no longer being gay through Christ creates people like Crowder.

What on earth is ‘being gay through Christ’? Is that similar to “the Divine Intimacy of the Holy Seed” referred to in the blog post?
Edit: please disregard, bad reading comprehension

 

[CAPTAIN HAPPY]

quote

Crowder's not Catholic.
Catholic doctrine of denying your sinful self applies to literally everything your sick mind draws you to do.
Stop blaming Catholicism for gay fags.

 

[6thRanger]

Crowder's not Catholic.
Catholic doctrine of denying your sinful self applies to literally everything your sick mind draws you to do.
Stop blaming Catholicism for gay fags.

I summarized what I understood the article to be saying.