Steven Universe - Now a Griefing Thread

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Pixy Misa said:
You know, I just realized something dark about Steven himself, but probably something Rebeca didn't intent.

Pink Diamond's had the need to be loved by people, especially by people that disliked her, because she loved the thrill of the conquest and seduction, but once you loved her back she instantly lost interest in you. Sure she might've played with you a little, but in the end, she just discarded you as she did with Spinel. In fact, people that loved her from the get-go like Pearl, and Spinel just bored her.

Sure she did stay around with her loved ones, but she eventually abandoned all of them without exception.

Greg was different in that he actually sought her out, but he also was the only person that confronted her and said: "I am not just a disposable toy. Look at me, like a real person".

Steven was a bit better with it because he did have some attachments at first, but ultimately he was very much like her. Consider how he spent the whole show trying to win Jasper, but the instant Jasper became attached to him he lost all interest in her. And I don't mean just the scene of him still being in shock for shattering her.

Connie for Steven and Greg for Pink are the only ones they tried to have something for the rest of their lives.

And the show's finale of him abandoning everyone just confirms it. He really is Pink's son.
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It really does shock me how a show about love and understanding can screw over characters like Jasper. After using her for plot development, they just threw her to wayside, never mind that she still has problems of her own. The show tries to paint this has Jasper having to heal on her own but it just came off as “She’s not Steven’s problem anymore so she can fuck off.” Ultimately, it was always about what Steven wanted and getting what he wanted, with everyone else coming second, if at all.
People make the comparison to Utena and Sailor Moon but a more apt shojo comparison would be a more twisted Fruits Basket; the all loving hero who redeems everyone with kindness, the cast with problems and neuroses underneath a shiny exterior, right down to forgiving the most monstrous character in the cast.

Syaoran Li said:
Thankfully, I don't think Rebecca Sugar will ever get another show on Cartoon Network or really anywhere else outside of maybe one of those Netflix original shows that last a season or two at most.

The rise of Steven Universe was entirely a case of simply being at the right place at the right time. Rebecca Sugar was part of the Adventure Time crew back when that show was the big heavy-hitter for CN in the early 2010's, and that show more than anything kicked off the trend of "CalArts" Tumblr style cartoons that were dominant in the 2010's and was epitomized by Sugar's show. CN struck gold with Adventure Time and so they gave Rebecca Sugar her own show.

But here's the thing, most of the old regime big shots at Cartoon Network in the 2010's are no longer with the company, and this phenomenon had largely completed itself before March 2020. So now Rebecca Sugar is in a position where she does not have the connections she used to have back in 2014-2015.

Plus, you've got COVID-19 actively wrecking everyone's shit at every level, and we're on the cusp of a new cultural zeitgeist and that's another mark against Rebecca Sugar having any future at CN or anywhere else.

For good or ill, Steven Universe is very much a cartoon that embodies the 2010's both culturally and aesthetically,

It will always be seen as the weird hipster cartoon about lesbian space rocks and it's going to be dated in several years. At least with Adventure Time and Teen Titans Go, they aren't quite as obviously 2010's except for their art style.

Teen Titans Go may be a dumb kids show, but it's simple enough that it'll always be good rerun fodder that kids will watch, and that's all it ever was really meant as. Adventure Time veered off the deep end in its later seasons, but the early seasons were just a goofy adventure comedy for the kids, so those will still hold up.

Steven Universe always tried to be this "deep" artsy thing when it clearly wasn't, and Rebecca Sugar was trying to make a woke American version of Sailor Moon or Utena but instead ended up with the show that will be to the 2010's what Ren & Stimpy was to the 1990's, a show that was popular in its time but is now seen as embodying the worst elements of that era's pop culture and will be little more than punchline fodder for Robot Chicken sketches or a VH1 "I Love The 2010's" special.



Honestly, thanks to Corona-chan taking a crowbar to the economy and Steven Universe likely to become a dated relic of the 2010's for reasons I outlined above, I doubt we'll see much more of this.

Rate me optimistic for thinking that, but "Get Woke, Go Broke" starts to matter when the global economy is in the shitter and the culture starts to change.
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Given Sugar’s...activism and her desire to break into broadway, I think even she wants to branch out and give animation a rest. For better or for worse, SU is her magnum opus and any animated show she’d make would get comparisons to Steven. At best, she’ll give it another go with Netflix just because it’s less restrictive than CN but I can easily see her retire from cartoons altogether.
On the other hand, I can agree with you; people mock He-Man and ThunderCats for being super 80s but I guarantee you people in the 20s and 30s will be saying how 2010s SU is. It embodies every single praise and criticism 2010s media had in one package. Even the LGBT stuff might look quaint in a few years, which would really date the show.
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I will never buy this no matter how many times people try to push it. It really felt like this was something Sugar tacked on at the last minute and everyone fell for it, trying to make the show look smarter than it was.
 
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Sayon said:

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What they're actually writing: Romanticized abuse and neglect, becoming your parent (arguably even worse because he realized she was wrong), hugs can make everything better and genocidal dictators are just poor uwu babies but fuck white men who slight you.
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Now, someone could rightfully say that this is a kid's show so the idea of everything being forgiven with a hug it's ok because children's entertainment it's simpler and we are just overthinking it. I mean it's meant for little kids, some of whom are still in elementary school and can't even dress themselves, right?

... except that this is the same show that has bragged about its smart writing in several episodes. But the most relevant: Remember how when Garnet split because they couldn't agree whether or not they forgave Pearl for lying to fuse with them?

The episode ended with them bragging, through Steven, that they were a realistic show because complex emotional problems wouldn't be solved neatly in one episode like a sitcom so they stretched the drama into 2 or 3 episodes.

...But then complex millennia-old problems like the diamonds being space tyrants get solved by talking about feelings and hugs.
 
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I'm just curious what the hell kind of project Sugar had been hinting on planning all throughout Future's run. Is it a comic book series? A collection of not-so-graphic novels? A spin-off show? An anime reboot? A saga of PSAs about how you should love and accept all trannies? What is it, Rebecca?

I mean, there's no doubt the future of the Steven Universe franchise as we know it is currently in limbo, given that what she's been doing lately has nothing to do with animation or writing whatsoever, as well as...well, you-know-what, not to mention how fitting it is for the show to spend the majority of its run in the 2010s and only barely continue into the next decade with episodes that probably finished production before the new year even started. But I feel like if she's still going to be in the game something like the coronavirus should be little more than an annoying setback. She can just wait however long it takes for that situation to blow over and then work on more Steven Universe shit once she and her crew are ready.

...or, was she just bluffing because she knew her time in the spotlight would be over after the show's end and that she's basically a one-trick pony, and she tried to save face by attempting to convince us she wouldn't just immediately slide into irrelevance once she was done with the show or once Cartoon Network was done with her (whichever came first)?
 
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I'm just happy that my nigga Greg finally got himself an actual bed to sleep in after, I'm assuming his wealth, paid for the nice house that his son and the trio of lesbian moms lived in for years while he himself was not allowed to live there, for reasons... even if they did have to basically murder his character to get him there.
 
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UnKillFill said:
I'm just happy that my nigga Greg finally got himself an actual bed to sleep in after, I'm assuming his wealth, paid for the nice house that his son and the trio of lesbian moms lived in for years while he himself was not allowed to live there, for reasons... even if they did have to basically murder his character to get him there.
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Wait, why wasn't Greg allowed to live there?
 
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Wait, why wasn't Greg allowed to live there?
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That is probably my biggest question about the series as a whole. (I will remind anyone who hasn't seen me say this before- I saw all of Future, and the movie, but only a random bit of episodes of the main show)

Pixy Misa said:
Most likely because Pearl and amethyst hated him for "taking Rose away from them". It took years for them to move on from that.
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They obviously should have solved that disagreement with a hug...
 
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While the show may be over we all know that some members of the Crewniverse will be constant sources of constant sperging that will provide yuks for years to come.

For example, Danny Cragg (deadname: Amber Cragg) continues to prove that he'll be an unemployable shitpile despite working on SU.
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Archeops said:
While the show may be over we all know that some members of the Crewniverse will be constant sources of constant sperging that will provide yuks for years to come.

For example, Danny Cragg (deadname: Amber Cragg) continues to prove that he'll be an unemployable shitpile despite working on SU.
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I'm amazed how these morons don't understand real-world statistics. Most of the population is straight. A good chunk of those who aren't are likely attracted to both genders but might prefer a straight relationship in order to have children, have a stable status quo lovelife, not make shit complicated, etc. And then after them come the smaller percentage of people who are flat out full gay. But the latter is the smallest percentage of the lot. And even so, most real-world gay people that aren't assholes don't give a shit about representation in media. Gay males seem to enjoy Disney Princesses and gay women are attracted to male power fantasies as self-insert shit.
 
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Alto said:
I'm amazed how these morons don't understand real-world statistics. Most of the population is straight. A good chunk of those who aren't are likely attracted to both genders but might prefer a straight relationship in order to have children, have a stable status quo lovelife, not make shit complicated, etc. And then after them come the smaller percentage of people who are flat out full gay. But the latter is the smallest percentage of the lot. And even so, most real-world gay people that aren't assholes don't give a shit about representation in media. Gay males seem to enjoy Disney Princesses and gay women are attracted to male power fantasies as self-insert shit.
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They basically want everything to be gay because they lack the validation that they want for being gay.
 
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One Man Bland said:
I remember vaguely there was an argument it was because Steven’s clothes aren’t part of the fusion, but then they threw that out the window immediately after with Obsidian, so why bother with that limitation in the first place?
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No they didn't. Obsidian wears Steven's clothes on one of her hands. It's fucking small so you miss it.
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As for why Steven's fusions are human sized, just chalk it up to him BEING human and move on.
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Did Becky blaze it too hard at the SU afterparty?
This is Steven's Universe, when Steven hates you (for often petty reasons) you are never seen again. He agrees to be on their galaxy broadcast that kicked off Spinel's story. He goes directly to them to help with his emo pink powers because he fucked up his other relationships. The fact he never forgave them but still needed them shows how sociopathic Steven is. Good thing almost no one in the comments bought this dreck.

Archeops said:
While the show may be over we all know that some members of the Crewniverse will be constant sources of constant sperging that will provide yuks for years to come.

For example, Danny Cragg (deadname: Amber Cragg) continues to prove that he'll be an unemployable shitpile despite working on SU.
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You know what. I feel bad for Amber now.
She won a SU-sponsored T-Shirt design contest, got to work for the show as a board revisionist then a full boarder, did numberous covers for the Boom comics, and got to marry her webcomic co-creator/sweetheart. Her future was bright with that string of luck. But something happened to make that string snap and now all she does is be obsessed with her identity. (TDS is a good guess based on her pitiful comic after he won) All she had to do was keep her positive attitude and create more comics with her wife and her life would be okay. But Amber doesn't exist anymore. "Danny" does now. And he's a bitch.
It's been said before but if you can't relate to a character outside of who they prefer to screw, neck yourself.
 
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Archeops said:
While the show may be over we all know that some members of the Crewniverse will be constant sources of constant sperging that will provide yuks for years to come.

For example, Danny Cragg (deadname: Amber Cragg) continues to prove that he'll be an unemployable shitpile despite working on SU.
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The top post is dumb enough because A. He’s ignoring the fact that LGBT are minority for a reason and B. He assumes fans don’t already decide sexuality. But
>especially considering the characters that are gay aren’t even the ones gay fans identify with
Are gays some monolith that have a singular character to identify with?

The fact that this is coming from a grown adult just makes it worst.
 
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Yamma Damma said:
No they didn't. Obsidian wears Steven's clothes on one of her hands. It's fucking small so you miss it.
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As for why Steven's fusions are human sized, just chalk it up to him BEING human and move on.
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So I ended up having to check again because I had no memory of seeing that detail in any of the close-ups, and I found that it’s no wonder people missed it: because the Crewniverse didn’t actually draw that little detail in 99% of the shots. It shows up for about 11 frames in a far corner and then in every other close up of the hands it’s missing.

Which was kinda more my point: what was the purpose of making such an innocuous limit to the Gem fusions when it only seems to cause unnecessary problems? It bogs otherwise functional designs down with Steven’s loud and clashing primary colors (Smokey Quartz being the most egregious example) and details than turn into annoying busy work for the animators to track - or just forget about if they can’t be bothered, evidently - and any excuse that’s it’s logical or realistic to factor in the clothes as being separate opens up the floodgates to audiences noticing and questioning shit they likely wouldn’t have otherwise. Just ignoring Steven’s clothes during Gem fusions probably would have been accepted just fine - I certainly wasn’t wondering about it before - but people definitely notice when fusions are significantly smaller compared to others when they reasonably shouldn’t be, and the really autistic will wonder why Steven’s clothes don’t stretch or rip entirely from suddenly growing several sizes bigger.

It’s just one of those things where it seems like SU have an answer to a question no one was asking in the first place, and the end result is worse off for it.


Alto said:
I'm amazed how these morons don't understand real-world statistics. Most of the population is straight. A good chunk of those who aren't are likely attracted to both genders but might prefer a straight relationship in order to have children, have a stable status quo lovelife, not make shit complicated, etc. And then after them come the smaller percentage of people who are flat out full gay. But the latter is the smallest percentage of the lot. And even so, most real-world gay people that aren't assholes don't give a shit about representation in media. Gay males seem to enjoy Disney Princesses and gay women are attracted to male power fantasies as self-insert shit.
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Private Pyle said:
The top post is dumb enough because A. He’s ignoring the fact that LGBT are minority for a reason and B. He assumes fans don’t already decide sexuality. But
>especially considering the characters that are gay aren’t even the ones gay fans identify with
Are gays some monolith that have a singular character to identify with?

The fact that this is coming from a grown adult just makes it worst.
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Oh I know the answer to this: basically SJWs argue that while LGBT members might be a minority (although they will often point to very flawed studies that suggest 50% of millennials are ”queer” or some shit that usually amounts to “more likely to rate themselves as a 1 rather than a 0 on the Kinsey scale”) LGBT people will conglomerate in communities like Boy’s Town where people’s friend groups will all be gay. Which might be true, but doesn’t work for the majority of settings where the cast will be somewhat randomized by the circumstances like school or work.

And even then I’ve never seen a friend group where literally everyone is a grab bag of random and often made-up labels the way Tumblr depicts it; it’s still mostly going to be regular gay dudes and lesbians. Because it turns out gay friend circles come together for other interests and hobbies they have in common when being gay isn’t their whole personality.
 
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Yamma Damma said:
No they didn't. Obsidian wears Steven's clothes on one of her hands. It's fucking small so you miss it.
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As for why Steven's fusions are human sized, just chalk it up to him BEING human and move on.

Did Becky blaze it too hard at the SU afterparty?
This is Steven's Universe, when Steven hates you (for often petty reasons) you are never seen again. He agrees to be on their galaxy broadcast that kicked off Spinel's story. He goes directly to them to help with his emo pink powers because he fucked up his other relationships. The fact he never forgave them but still needed them shows how sociopathic Steven is. Good thing almost no one in the comments bought this dreck.



You know what. I feel bad for Amber now.
She won a SU-sponsored T-Shirt design contest, got to work for the show as a board revisionist then a full boarder, did numberous covers for the Boom comics, and got to marry her webcomic co-creator/sweetheart. Her future was bright with that string of luck. But something happened to make that string snap and now all she does is be obsessed with her identity. (TDS is a good guess based on her pitiful comic after he won) All she had to do was keep her positive attitude and create more comics with her wife and her life would be okay. But Amber doesn't exist anymore. "Danny" does now. And he's a bitch.
It's been said before but if you can't relate to a character outside of who they prefer to screw, neck yourself.
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That obsidian wearing clothes on its hand is the dumbest shit I've seen today.
 
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