Steven Universe - Now a Griefing Thread

[Xerxes IX]

Some have theorized that many modern content creators emphasize with these crazy fandoms because they were in that place once, which opens up a whole can of worms.

I think the current crop of creators IS being pulled from the obsessive fans on tumblr and Twitter. Or if not, at they're at least cut from the same cloth.

 

[Private Pyle]

I think the current crop of creators IS being pulled from the obsessive fans on tumblr and Twitter. Or if not, at they're at least cut from the same cloth.

More or leas what the theory implies. They basically never out grew their fandom phase and continue writing as fans and nerds rather than as writers, if that makes sense.

 

[starborn427614]

More or leas what the theory implies. They basically never out grew their fandom phase and continue writing as fans and nerds rather than as writers, if that makes sense.

IIRC there were two tumblr picks. One was infamous (Zuke) and I think the other was Danny Cragg? A previous boarder called Raven worked on Ed, Edd and Eddy but I don't know much about the backgrounds of the others.

I hate Steven Universe for pushing its political agenda onto children who don't give a slightest fuck about it. Almost all the kids in my school made fun of gays,bisexuals,retards etc. E;R said it better himself "Tumblr cares about what the characters represent then the actual characters. It follows the same formula every episode and there are still many plot holes that are still unexplained.

I would think about Pearl being neurotic and dependant and becoming independent before I'd jump to "the gay thin one". E;R is a hack, just like Enter, just like Lily Orchard. The only one who ever gave a half-decent critique of this show that didn't rely on either bad faith takes or extremely terrible arguments in general was Robobuddies and even she went off the deep end.

 

[Private Pyle]

The only one who ever gave a half-decent critique of this show that didn't rely on either bad faith takes or extremely terrible arguments in general was Robobuddies and even she went off the deep end.

That time she made a two hour rebuttal over people who criticized her criticism. Keep in mind the original review itself was only about 45 minutes long.
Granted, she did distance herself from the review after a while, citing she was talking about things she was completely informed about.

 

[Yamma Damma]

IIRC there were two tumblr picks. One was infamous (Zuke) and I think the other was Danny Cragg? A previous boarder called Raven worked on Ed, Edd and Eddy but I don't know much about the backgrounds of the others.

Those two nutcases were the most notable but almost every single one of the crew members, art and writing, had a tumblr at some point. Dunno about there being a crazy boarder on EEnE though. Got any more information on that?

I would think about Pearl being neurotic and dependant and becoming independent before I'd jump to "the gay thin one". E;R is a hack, just like Enter, just like Lily Orchard. The only one who ever gave a half-decent critique of this show that didn't rely on either bad faith takes or extremely terrible arguments in general was Robobuddies and even she went off the deep end.

E;R is more a shitposter than a critic (if at all). Just like EZ PZ who I confuse him with sometimes. Mr.Enter, Robo and Lily O are far too drenched in autism to be tolerated for more than five minutes (they don't get to the fucking point until later). You should abandon any hope of a completely unbiased critique on SU because it requires you to air your dirty laundry and whatever [buzzwords] and labels you have in just to shied you from its rabid fans looking for a new "roadblock to progress in children's media" or something equally stupid to bitch about.

 

[Nauseated Courgi]

E;R is more a shitposter than a critic (if at all). Just like EZ PZ who I confuse him with sometimes.

True. E;R knows his stuff when it comes to writing and the stuff he's passionate about, but he's a shitposter first and a critic second.

E;R is a hack, just like Enter, just like Lily Orchard.

People say this, but I haven't seen many explain why they think so. Are you going purely off of the Steven Universe vid?

 

[Private Pyle]

Dunno about there being a crazy boarder on EEnE though. Got any more information on that?

Okay I had to really look this up to make sure it was all correct.
Raven Molisee started as an artist on EEnE during Season 5 and would later become infamous for her the naughty art of the characters she did while working on the show. Some of it was (relatively speaking) tame and then violent and bloody Double D x Eddy’s Bro porn. She hasn’t done much since leaving SU and mostly just boosts social movements like BLM.

Fun fact; Raven Molisee boarded most of not all of the Lars and Sadie episodes from the first couple of seasons and also came up with the original character concept of Stevonnie.

People say this, but I haven't seen many explain why they think so. Are you going purely off of the Steven Universe vid?

If we’re talking about Lily Orchard, as someone who followed her thread for quite a while, I can guarantee you that she is indeed a hack. The fact that SU vid is the one thing she’s known for is indicative of that.

 

[Nauseated Courgi]

If we’re talking about Lily Orchard, as someone who followed her thread for quite a while, I can guarantee you that she is indeed a hack. The fact that SU vid is the one thing she’s known for is indicative of that.

Oh no, I know for a fact that little miss Orchard is a hack, I was more referring to E;R.

 

[Private Pyle]

Oh no, I know for a fact that little miss Orchard is a hack, I was more referring to E;R.

Well as others pointed out, E;R (who I also get confused with EZ PZ) is first and foremost a shitposter. He can make good critique in spite of that but he usually just wants to get your goat, making it hard to read him.

 

[Life is Hell...]

Randomly found this tweet by Ian where he shares a post from a website that talks about how people should take the stuff SU teaches seriously

Here's a link to the article: https://www.californialawreview.org/heroizing-restorative-justice-steven-universe/

 

[Private Pyle]

Randomly found this tweet by Ian where he shares a post from a website that talks about how people should take the stuff SU teaches seriously
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Here's a link to the article: https://www.californialawreview.org/heroizing-restorative-justice-steven-universe/

It is a fantasy cartoon for children where monsters get put into bubbles and giant space tyrants can be talked down; it should not be used a a real life guide for a justice system and that fact that this a legit law site is fucking horrifying.

Ian himself comes off as so egotistical and masterbatuory here: “Oh these totally get it! Yeah this is what SU is all about, restorative justice!” I really hate what he’s become over the years.

 

[One Man Bland]

Well as others pointed out, E;R (who I also get confused with EZ PZ) is first and foremost a shitposter. He can make good critique in spite of that but he usually just wants to get your goat, making it hard to read him.

That and I think most YouTube critics fall into the trap in that even the ones who try to give a veneer of impartiality are still trying to reach the kind of audience who already agrees with them rather than present a dissection of the thing they’re reviewing. E;R’s no different: he’s a shitposter whose shitposts are catered to people who already hated SU, LoK, Disney Star Wars, etc. to begin with.

He can make good points, and the best parts of videos are typically when he finds interviews of the creators that inadvertently give insight into some the terrible decisions that were made during production, but anyone looking for anything more substantial than a dude riffing on subpar animation for a couple of 30 minute videos is barking up the wrong tree.

 

[Life is Hell...]

It is a fantasy cartoon for children where monsters get put into bubbles and giant space tyrants can be talked down; it should not be used a a real life guide for a justice system and that fact that this a legit law site is fucking horrifying.

Ian himself comes off as so egotistical and masterbatuory here: “Oh these totally get it! Yeah this is what SU is all about, restorative justice!” I really hate what he’s become over the years.

I know.... to think this is the same guy who created OK KO Let's Be Heroes, a show that is way better than SU in every aspect. it's just really sad to see him become like this

 

[One Man Bland]

Randomly found this tweet by Ian where he shares a post from a website that talks about how people should take the stuff SU teaches seriously
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Here's a link to the article: https://www.californialawreview.org/heroizing-restorative-justice-steven-universe/

Decide to give it a quick read through and so far it’s about what you’d expect:

Spoiler: Excerpt

In the 1970s, mounting frustration with court-based, retributive justice systems impelled U.S. practitioners to begin experimenting with alternative practices and ideas.[67] Drawing from Black, indigenous, and people of color restorative justice practices from around the world and throughout history,[68] practitioners built the U.S. restorative justice movement from a core set of grounding principles.

One of the grounding principles of restorative justice is that punishment of the person who caused harm is not sufficient, or even necessary, to restore justice.[69] Rather than punishment, restorative justice prioritizes and emphasizes healing: healing the person who was harmed by recompensing the hurt; healing the person who caused harm by rebuilding her moral and social selves;[70] healing the communities torn apart by mending social relationships.[71] Thus, while restorative justice solutions may ask obligations of the person who caused harm, these obligations are not motivated by a desire for a “just deserts” infliction of suffering, but rather the reparation of relationships. Accordingly, restorative “punishments” may oblige the responsible party to do something for the harmed party (or to those who have suffered similar harms), provide some service to the community, or take part in an educational program.[72]

Another restorative justice principle is that acts of harm are conflicts that rightfully belong to those who were harmed, those who caused harm, and their communities; as such, these parties ought to participate in the resolution.[73] This principle flows from the fundamental restorative justice premise that “crime” is a violation of people and relationships[74] rather than merely a violation of law.[75] By meting out punitive “resolutions” to conflicts without the input of the affected parties, restorative justice advocates argue, criminal justice institutions steal these conflicts—and their resolutions—from the affected parties, robbing them of their opportunity, right, and duty to learn and grow from their conflicts.[76] To this end, central to restorative justice is its definition as “a process whereby all the parties with a stake in a particular offence come together to resolve collectively how to deal with the aftermath of the offence and its implications for the future.”[77]

In practice, then, restorative justice is rooted in deliberative interaction, where parties are given a voice to vent their feelings and present their sides of the story.[78] Ideally, this process culminates in a shared understanding about the harm that has occurred, the values it violated, and what can be done to restore a sense of justice.[79] In the course of this deliberative process, the responsible party is encouraged to take accountability for her actions, express a sincere apology to the harmed party, and commit to actions that will restore dignity to the harmed party, the responsible party, and the community. The person who was harmed is encouraged to express willingness to forgive the person who caused harm and show them respect as a human being generally capable of redemption and moral transformation.[80] Justice is restored when the relevant principles and values that have been violated by the harm are re-established and re-validated through social consensus.[81]

The biggest flaw in this paper so far seems to be that the people pushing this seem to be working under the assumption that violent criminals just didn’t know that what they were doing could harm someone (which is rather patronizing in my opinion), so once they understand that and say sorry then everything will be hunky-dory.

I see no way how a system like this wouldn’t immediately become ineffectual, corrupt and full of sociopaths & predators who pressure, I mean, strongly encourage victims to forgive abusers, rapists, pedophiles, and murderers because an unwillingness to forgive could easily be spun into a gaslighting narrative about how the victim is actually victimizing the one who committed the crime by obstructing true restorative justice.

Also this woman keeps spelling "just desserts" as "just deserts" and it’s driving me fucking nuts.

 

[Nauseated Courgi]

I know.... to think this is the same guy who created OK KO Let's Be Heroes, a show that is way better than SU in every aspect, it's just really sad to see him become like this

Eh, that's not really saying much. It's a pretty forgettable show with the only memorable parts about it being the crossovers.

 

[keyboredsm4shthe2nd]

Randomly found this tweet by Ian where he shares a post from a website that talks about how people should take the stuff SU teaches seriously
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Here's a link to the article: https://www.californialawreview.org/heroizing-restorative-justice-steven-universe/

And this is why california is the most defunct state

 

[One Man Bland]

Also this woman fails to understand that the reason kids shows "lag behind" Steven Universe is the hug it out department is because fight scenes are just straight up more fun to watch. That’s why people still watch Batman TAS to this day while Steven Universe so far has faded outside of Tumblrina circles after it ended.

Also fucking lol’d that she cited Heracles as an example of a story where toxic masculinity defines the paradigm of "good vs. evil" by having Heracles be the central figure of goodness and therefore everyone he kills is evil. Bitch, the original 12 Labors were about Heracles trying to redeem himself after he murdered his family in a Hera-induced frenzy, and most of the tasks were basically him doing other people’s chores and herding around animals. Heracles is basically the "restorative justice" model you were preaching about.

 

[Private Pyle]

Also this woman keeps spelling "just desserts" as "just deserts" and it’s driving me fucking nuts.

I know it’s petty to point spelling mistakes but again, this supposedly a serious issue about restorative justice on an official list site. That used a CN show as it’s examples.
Californians can’t do anything right.

Eh, that's not really saying much. It's a pretty forgettable show with the only memorable parts about it being the crossovers.

Yeah it can be pretty indecisive in tone and has even worst art decisions than SU. Even the crossovers got tiring after a while and just felt like Ian was reliving his childhood fantasy.

 

[One Man Bland]

I know it’s petty to point spelling mistakes but again, this supposedly a serious issue about restorative justice on an official list site. That used a CN show as it’s examples.

I wouldn’t have mentioned it if the misspelling hadn’t happened like 6 goddamn times. Once is a typo, twice means you were tired, but more than that is just pure incompetence.

 

[NSJAP]

It seem like some recording of Stevens' VA fooling around in the recording studio has been leaked.

Spoiler: i mean, what did you expect him to say