Steven Universe - Now a Griefing Thread

[Funnybone]

The show is cringey as fuck now. It's now completely pandering to Tumblr tards.

Putting immigrant shit in a kids cartoon show was unnecessary and awkward.

So Greg felt entitled to take his cousins property away and I'm suppose to be on Greg's side? I mean I totally understand why the uncle was pissed about the gems ruining his childhood plane. yet the gems didn't feel remorse they just got sassy and entitled.

Every gem acts exactly the same. just jokey and animey. so boring now.

 

[Muttnik]

I used to like this show. I really did. I thought it was colorful and full of that sappy warm-fuzzy shit that makes you feel good in a nostalgic way. Now every episode feels like an agenda. And what's more, it doesn't feel like it's even directed at kids anymore. Just Tumblr snowflakes that can't even comprehend the most basic of messages that a four year old could understand (Bismuth and Gem Harvest for example). I want to like the show again. I do. But at the same time, I really just want it to end already with what dignity it has left, if any.

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

Watching the Three Gems and a Baby episode really reminded me how they characters have changed since the beginning of the series. That part where Pearl was about to try and pull out Steven's Gem to get Rose back was pretty tense.

 

[Darwin Watterson]

Based on some new leaks, we get to see Yellow Diamond again in the next Stevenbomb, as well as finally getting to see Blue Diamond in person. This would be cool...except it seems like they fucked them up.

I really don't understand their aversion to having regular villains. I'm sure it has something to do with idealism or some shit, but honestly making every villain redeemable and sympathetic is just as lazy as making them all one-dimensional, cackling stock characters. Sometimes we just wanna see villains being villains 'cause they're assholes. It makes it more fun to watch them and root against them (or for them if you're a fan of villains).

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

Based on some new leaks, we get to see Yellow Diamond again in the next Stevenbomb, as well as finally getting to see Blue Diamond in person. This would be cool...except it seems like they fucked them up.

I really don't understand their aversion to having regular villains. I'm sure it has something to do with idealism or some shit, but honestly making every villain redeemable and sympathetic is just as lazy as making them all one-dimensional, cackling stock characters. Sometimes we just wanna see villains being villains 'cause they're assholes. It makes it more fun to watch them and root against them (or for them if you're a fan of villains).

Apparently all five episodes have leaked, so if you're really curious, they're out there.

 

[UglyOldJafar]

This show is incapable of creating villains.

 

[Piga Dgrifm]

This is a problem that I've heard talked about in a lot of cartoons lately, villains getting redeemed too often and too easily. It's pretty lazy writing.

Then again, SU writers are trying to appeal to a large chunk of the fanbase that sees the show as their safe hugbox.

 

[Darwin Watterson]

Apparently all five episodes have leaked, so if you're really curious, they're out there.

Wow, this is like the fourth time this has happened. The fans are always like, "DON'T WATCH THESE, WAIT 'TILL THEY AIR TO SUPPORT THE SHOW!!!" but it really seems like somebody working on the show is in a position they REALLY shouldn't be in. Once or twice is understandable, but when it happens over and over like this, they just come across as incompetent.

This is a problem that I've heard talked about in a lot of cartoons lately, villains getting redeemed too often and too easily. It's pretty lazy writing.

I miss when cartoons had the balls to actually kill their villains. I mean, the diamonds haven't been redeemed yet it seems, but the clip I saw makes it seem like all they'll need is a good talking-to from Steven and then all will be well.

 

[UglyOldJafar]

Wow, this is like the fourth time this has happened. The fans are always like, "DON'T WATCH THESE, WAIT 'TILL THEY AIR TO SUPPORT THE SHOW!!!" but it really seems like somebody working on the show is in a position they REALLY shouldn't be in. Once or twice is understandable, but when it happens over and over like this, they just come across as incompetent.

I miss when cartoons had the balls to actually kill their villains. I mean, the diamonds haven't been redeemed yet it seems, but the clip I saw makes it seem like all they'll need is a good talking-to from Steven and then all will be well.

I have nothing against villain redemption once in a while. But all the time and it gets lazy.
Even MLP: Autism is Magic had so far three villains that got not redeemed. One got killed off on screen even. If MLP is more willing to kill a bad guy than your "serious" show about tumblr lesbianism with space rocks, you are doing basic cartoon villains wrong.

As for the episodes getting leaked, I am still convinced that CN does that on purpose. They want the show to just end as soon as possible and be done with that thing.

 

[Darwin Watterson]

Oh, I'm not saying that the idea of redeeming a villain is bad, but recently people seem to be equating "villain with no redeeming qualities whose just evil for shits and giggles" with "poorly-written, one-dimensional character."

So far, almost every villain in this show has either been redeemed, or were just monsters of the week and barely even counted as characters. The only villains so far (whose stories have actually been able to move along) who haven't been redeemed are Kevin, Marty, and Jasper. Jasper will probably be redeemed later on (if we even see her again), and Kevin and Marty barely count because they're both inconsequential to the main plot. As Jace would say, it's "gay and unrealistic," because in real life, some people aren't redeemable. Some are just assholes too far gone to change.

 

[friedshrimp]

TBH this line of thinking isn't new in cartoons. Cartoon spergs who are into identity politics are always quoting Miyazaki and how he dislikes the "one note clearly evil villain" character sometimes present in Disney movies. And seeing how Sugar would be kinda weeby in some aspects, she'd be all for changing around the "evil villain" ideal.

I saw Blue Diamond, and some people suggested that her looks and attitude are a reference to the Unicorn/Amalthea, which is rather cool. The Last Unicorn barely if ever gets reference and it seemed a nicer reference than what Gravity Falls did with it.

 

[UglyOldJafar]

TBH this line of thinking isn't new in cartoons. Cartoon spergs who are into identity politics are always quoting Miyazaki and how he dislikes the "one note clearly evil villain" character sometimes present in Disney movies. And seeing how Sugar would be kinda weeby in some aspects, she'd be all for changing around the "evil villain" ideal.

I saw Blue Diamond, and some people suggested that her looks and attitude are a reference to the Unicorn/Amalthea, which is rather cool. The Last Unicorn barely if ever gets reference and it seemed a nicer reference than what Gravity Falls did with it.

Gravity Falls was vicious with it. That made it good.
speaking of Gravity Falls, that show had a nice cartoon villain.
As for Miyazaki, I am not going to take a guy serious who treats his own son like shit

 

[Gordon Cole]

As for Miyazaki, I am not going to take a guy serious who treats his own son like shit

Is Miyazaki setting his son up to fail or something? Because I remember Ghibli going down the tubes to to no real successors to him, Takahata, etc.

 

[Darwin Watterson]

Is Miyazaki setting his son up to fail or something?

Apparently he got pissed about his son directing some movie and they didn't talk for a while after.

 

[Gordon Cole]

Apparently he got pissed about his son directing some movie and they didn't talk for a while after.

I mean, even though I'm all for separating art from the artists as long as they don't try to make themselves look like the good guys, that's just a really pathetic way to end a relationship.

Going back to Steven Universe, I haven't watched the show like I used to. Sort of like how Adventure Time at the end of the day stuck to the status quo, I think the pacifist/"talk down the villain" approach is so overdone, it killed off my interest in the show.

 

[UglyOldJafar]

Apparently he got pissed about his son directing some movie and they didn't talk for a while after.

Actually, he disowned him for some time.
Only because junior said he wanted to do movies different than him.
I am also not fond on the movie he did about the engineer who made the Kamikaze plane, turning it into an underdog story.
He turned one of japan's greatest weapon contributors and slave owners during the war into a disneyfied underdog, while at the same time portraying italians and germans as pure evil.

 

[Jewelsmakerguy]

This show is incapable of creating villains.

The show's also incapable of creating heroes or sympathetic characters.

 

[cukurcuka]

Honestly I've only watched maybe a dozen episodes of Gravity Falls, but it seems to have done a better job at presenting a tone and telling a narrative with good pacing than SU ever has. I really do think the 11 minute format is what's killing SU's ability to tell its stories. That and the showrunners are being way too ambitious for the small running time they have and end up biting off more than they can chew.
The best parts imo are when the gems are interacting with humans, or with eachother. But the payoff is not worth it if I have to sit through melodramatic and poorly paced unfunny gay rock adventures
At this point I'm only here for the townie episodes lmao

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

Wow, this is like the fourth time this has happened. The fans are always like, "DON'T WATCH THESE, WAIT 'TILL THEY AIR TO SUPPORT THE SHOW!!!" but it really seems like somebody working on the show is in a position they REALLY shouldn't be in. Once or twice is understandable, but when it happens over and over like this, they just come across as incompetent.

I miss when cartoons had the balls to actually kill their villains. I mean, the diamonds haven't been redeemed yet it seems, but the clip I saw makes it seem like all they'll need is a good talking-to from Steven and then all will be well.

Cartoon Network seems to sit on the episodes until they can release them in chunks instead of just airing them regularly. I'd imagine more than a few people are annoyed by it.

And as I haven't seen the new stuff, I'll be out of the thread until I do to avoid spoilers.

 

[Muttnik]

On the subject of villains, I agree with what everyone is saying. I'm still waiting for an actual legit threat to the characters and not constantly having to deal with woobie villains that can be turned back to good with a speech. It gets boring after a while. It's not hard to make a villain sympathetic while still letting them be a villain. That's where the use of tragic villains come into play--villains that are a big threat and can be seen as sympathetic to the viewer while still unable to push past their weaknesses and in turn bringing about their own downfall at the hands of the hero. Disney has done it. Dreamworks has done it. It's not very hard.

I dunno. At the end of the day, I just want the show to actually push the boundaries and do something hardcore. All the spergs on tumblr rant over and over about how the show is 'revolutionary' and has adult themes and such but all I see is them constantly playing it safe to keep things warm and fuzzy for all the children and manchildren watching it.