Steven Universe - Now a Griefing Thread

[Akumaten]

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“Currently losing my mind #StevenUniverseFuture https://t.co/yr5I0IvBIC”

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And a spoiler:

Spoiler: What's this?

Going by the above clip, they are realy trying to make Rose an irredeemable brat and having Steven going through her mood swings?

Feeling vindicated that Steven is just a shell for Pink/Rose to run from responsibility

 

[Exceptionally Exceptional]

One thing I've always wondered about the whole "Rose is now half of Steven" shit.... is Rose "dead" or "alive" in there? Can she see and hear the shit going on around Steven? Can she influence him in any fashion? What happens if Steven died? Would Rose come back? Could Rose and Steven somehow be separated without killing either of them meaning that, while Steven becomes a normal dickhead, Rose can come back as an actual character and maybe have to deal with the aftermath of her actions and decisions? What if Rose being part of Steven is essential to some undisclosed plan of hers for good or ill?

See how intriguing this shit could be with a better writing team? Some of this shit could make for some insanely compelling stories. It's just really disappointing to see how shallow some of the show actually is compared to how deep it actually could be. Imagine if the Japanese had come up with the concept first and adapted it into a Dragonball tier anime.

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

One thing I've always wondered about the whole "Rose is now half of Steven" shit.... is Rose "dead" or "alive" in there? Can she see and hear the shit going on around Steven? Can she influence him in any fashion? What happens if Steven died? Would Rose come back? Could Rose and Steven somehow be separated without killing either of them meaning that, while Steven becomes a normal dickhead, Rose can come back as an actual character and maybe have to deal with the aftermath of her actions and decisions? What if Rose being part of Steven is essential to some undisclosed plan of hers for good or ill?

See how intriguing this shit could be with a better writing team? Some of this shit could make for some insanely compelling stories. It's just really disappointing to see how shallow some of the show actually is compared to how deep it actually could be. Imagine if the Japanese had come up with the concept first and adapted it into a Dragonball tier anime.

Change Your Mind implies the being known as Rose/Pink is dead and gone, like reformatting and wiping a hard drive. Some very minor bits and pieces might still be floating around, but everything from before is gone for good. It’s why Steven had closure with the line “I’m me. I’ve always been me.” Meaning he finally knows for sure that he’s Steven and not half Rose or something.

 

[Exceptionally Exceptional]

Change Your Mind implies the being known as Rose/Pink is dead and gone, like reformatting and wiping a hard drive. Some very minor bits and pieces might still be floating around, but everything from before is gone for good. It’s why Steven had closure with the line “I’m me. I’ve always been me.” Meaning he finally knows for sure that he’s Steven and not half Rose or something.

So basically if Steven dies, that's it? No more Rose, no more Steven. I mean, that just sounds.... insanely boring and limited. I mean, I can kinda see why they'd do it, but that's not the writing choice I'd have made. I'd either leave that shit ambiguous as fuck to give myself some flexibility for later (or just give fans stuff to talk about), or else I'd have had it be something akin to Rose basically being "partitioned" withing the gem, aware of what goes on around Steven but unable to intervene or influence anything and vice versa as Steven can't access her memories and doesn't even know she's still conscious inside of him. Then when Steven "dies" he basically just becomes part of Rose who can now reform herself as gems tend to do but who now integrates his memories and certain aspects of his personality into her own, which she can then share with the rest of the Grand Diamond Authority to give them perspective on organic beings as an attempt to help them understand us and perhaps come to some sort of truce.
It'd be so much more interesting if she actually had a purpose for Steven than just "I want a baby that I can never watch grow up and who's fate I'll never know!"

At least, I think so. It'd certainly be some good 4D chess.

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

So basically if Steven dies, that's it? No more Rose, no more Steven. I mean, that just sounds.... insanely boring and limited. I mean, I can kinda see why they'd do it, but that's not the writing choice I'd have made. I'd either leave that shit ambiguous as fuck to give myself some flexibility for later (or just give fans stuff to talk about), or else I'd have had it be something akin to Rose basically being "partitioned" withing the gem, aware of what goes on around Steven but unable to intervene or influence anything and vice versa as Steven can't access her memories and doesn't even know she's still conscious inside of him. Then when Steven "dies" he basically just becomes part of Rose who can now reform herself as gems tend to do but who now integrates his memories and certain aspects of his personality into her own, which she can then share with the rest of the Grand Diamond Authority to give them perspective on organic beings as an attempt to help them understand us and perhaps come to some sort of truce.
It'd be so much more interesting if she actually had a purpose for Steven than just "I want a baby that I can never watch grow up and who's fate I'll never know!"

At least, I think so. It'd certainly be some good 4D chess.

I mean, if Steven the human dies, there’s a decent chance that Steven the Gem night still remain. That version of him that was emotionless and diamond-level powerful. Offensively powerful, which I think is what Steven started tapping into with his fight with Jasper. There’s actually a popular comic on tumblr right now going under”SU AU Gone Wrong” in which that first attack by Spinel didn’t just reset his gem. It acted like a real scythe and killed Steven. But his Gem half is still around.

Steven Universe: Gone Wrong

suaugonewrong.tumblr.com

 

[Exceptionally Exceptional]

I mean, if Steven the human dies, there’s a decent chance that Steven the Gem night still remain. That version of him that was emotionless and diamond-level powerful. Offensively powerful, which I think is what Steven started tapping into with his fight with Jasper. There’s actually a popular comic on tumblr right now going under”SU AU Gone Wrong” in which that first attack by Spinel didn’t just reset his gem. It acted like a real scythe and killed Steven. But his Gem half is still around.
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Steven Universe: Gone Wrong

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Now that could potentially be interesting. If the gem gets shattered, Steven is reduced to a normal, powerless human. If the organic body dies, Steven becomes a cold, emotionless being that could potentially become a rival power to the Diamonds... heck, they could even pull an Angel and have him go evil if his human half dies because robbed of emotion he'd be as ruthlessly logical as the Diamonds and have no remorse should he destroy them.

Another fun plotline I'd explore is... where the fuck did the gems come from? I highly doubt they're natural creations given that they literally need bacteriophage-looking machines and minerals extracted from the planets they colonize to create new Gems. Somehow I highly doubt that arose naturally.
Could the Gems be synthetic lifeforms created by a now bygone race? If so, for what purpose? Were they something like the Synths in Bladerunner? Where did their creators go? Did the Gems rebel from their slavery and wipe them out? Could this possibly be where the disdain for organic life so many Gems seem to hold comes from?

And this is why Steven Universe had so much potential. So many ways to go, ideas to explore, themes to establish. Frankly if I was Sugar I'd see if I couldn't get CN to put the show on Adult Swim so I could remove the limitations that could make the show truly interesting, as well as present it to the audience most likely to actually watch it.

 

[goma]

Hmm that AU is a bit of a tragedy-wank, but I appreciate it regardless, it's entertaining so far, and the drawings are nice.

edit: Speaking about the show itself, I still want to know what the purpose even is for the Diamonds creating such a bloated military presence throughout the galaxy. What's the point? To just have strength? I don't see why I should care and I don't feel any tension when no sort of rival or higher reason is presented.

 

[CausticMinory]

I have a strong feeling this series will end before we get a meaningful conclusion to most of these questions. And it will cause those dissatisfied with that vague ending to whine and whine until SU gets another season or get some other continuation to tard cum the thristy masses.

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

Having now watched the episodes, I am appreciating that we’re focusing on Steven working through his feelings for his mom. It’s not as bad as I was expecting in regards to “bad things Rose has done”. It’s more “coming to terms with who she was vs the idealized/villain used versions of her”. Rose being so secretive and everything was her overcompensating for how she used to be and wanting to be better. She was just trying too hard. And I can appreciate that.

 

[omori]

What is even the point of Homeworld colonizing and draining the resources of other plants other than to bolster their ranks so they can do it all over again? What’s the end game?

 

[Exceptionally Exceptional]

What is even the point of Homeworld colonizing and draining the resources of other plants other than to bolster their ranks so they can do it all over again? What’s the end game?

That's something I'd like to see as well. How did they become so militaristic and imperialist? Is there a "good reason" for it? Like, if they WERE synthetically created, perhaps as weapons, it'd make complete sense. They could have been built for war and conquest, and that's what they're doing even after their progenitors have long since become extinct. Or is it a "The ends justify the means!" situation where the Gems somehow think their actions are justified towards some end goal?

Sadly, I'm tending to agree with CausticMinory that there's unlikely to be a truly satisfying ending to all this. Possibly because the autists that watch the show, like me, put way more thought into it than the creators do.

 

[UnKillFill]

So I was right... *this retard* worm thing thinking it was a real person by showing up in the middle of all the characters in the middle of the main credits was funny enough, but it never showed up even once in any of the new episodes. It's not real people.

 

[Private Pyle]

I like it better when Rose was “good, but flawed and made a lot of mistakes” and not “apparently evil incarnate”.

That's something I'd like to see as well. How did they become so militaristic and imperialist? Is there a "good reason" for it? Like, if they WERE synthetically created, perhaps as weapons, it'd make complete sense. They could have been built for war and conquest, and that's what they're doing even after their progenitors have long since become extinct. Or is it a "The ends justify the means!" situation where the Gems somehow think their actions are justified towards some end goal?

Sadly, I'm tending to agree with CausticMinory that there's unlikely to be a truly satisfying ending to all this. Possibly because the autists that watch the show, like me, put way more thought into it than the creators do.

If there’s any optimism to this, we don’t know how long Future will last so and we still don’t know the context for White Diamond in the opening. They could still touch upon that.
But if we’re being honest, I’m kind of disappointed that they’re rehashing “Rose was shit person” and “Steven is still living in her shadow” (only it’s even worse) for the sequel. It feels like both Rose and Steven are reversing their character development, especially in episodes like Guidance and Volleyball in particular. Hopefully the next episodes will change things up.

 

[Hallstein995]

There is a rumor that, although Steven Universe is liked by adults, it isn't popular with the channel's target demographic: kids and preteens whereas Teen Titans Go and Gumball are. The rumor also says that SU tanks in rating when it's shown in reruns and the only way it gets good numbers is by creating artificial scarcity with steven bombs.

Let's face it, adults pirate it, kids are the only ones that stay around to watch episodes on Cartoon Network whenever they air.

I can't tell if it's true, but it would explain a lot.

Not sure how valuable this information is but a lot of people I know work in daycare/ babysit and I've never heard them talk about Steven Universe. If you ever talk to people who work with children they complain about all the shows/ trends the kids they watch are into and Steven Universe never comes up.

 

[PopRocks]

Not sure how valuable this information is but a lot of people I know work in daycare/ babysit and I've never heard them talk about Steven Universe. If you ever talk to people who work with children they complain about all the shows/ trends the kids they watch are into and Steven Universe never comes up.

Considering how utterly spaztic the schedule is, I don't blame them. And really, I think the only reason Steven Universe is longed lived as it is, is because it was the first CN show to be made by a women and cancelling it will just bring complaints from the usual crowd.

 

[Private Pyle]

Considering how utterly spaztic the schedule is, I don't blame them. And really, I think the only reason Steven Universe is longed lived as it is, is because it was the first CN show to be made by a women and cancelling it will just bring complaints from the usual crowd.

Oh not just any woman; a LGBT, Jewish female. No way CN would want to deal with the shitshow that would fall out from canceling SU.

 

[Nauseated Courgi]

I mean, if Steven the human dies, there’s a decent chance that Steven the Gem night still remain. That version of him that was emotionless and diamond-level powerful. Offensively powerful, which I think is what Steven started tapping into with his fight with Jasper. There’s actually a popular comic on tumblr right now going under”SU AU Gone Wrong” in which that first attack by Spinel didn’t just reset his gem. It acted like a real scythe and killed Steven. But his Gem half is still around.
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Steven Universe: Gone Wrong

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Speaking of that, I thought I'd check out their Q&A page and I found this.



Don't get me wrong, I understand where they're coming from and I would also feel that protective of my work, but what is it with some Tumblr users and comparing things to rape?

 

[Wabbu]

Oh not just any woman; a LGBT, Jewish female. No way CN would want to deal with the shitshow that would fall out from canceling SU.

As LGBT as that one time in college will let her label herself as

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

Speaking of that, I thought I'd check out their Q&A page and I found this.

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Don't get me wrong, I understand where they're coming from and I would also feel that protective of my work, but what is it with some Tumblr users and comparing things to rape?

I think they meant more about “blaming the victim”, just did so with a bad analogy.

 

[Exceptionally Exceptional]

I think they meant more about “blaming the victim”, just did so with a bad analogy.

They should have just compared it to regular theft.
"That's like blaming someone for being robbed because they wore nice shoes."

But they went straight to rape because holy shit they never stop thinking about rape. Either that or they just chose the most unreasonable extreme they could think of not realizing bringing up rape in a statement about art theft looks neurotic.