Steven Universe - Now a Griefing Thread

[Private Pyle]

Steven Universe's Rebecca Sugar narrates call for closure of ICE camps

There are roughly 38,000 people currently being detained in ICE camps across America—that’s per The Washington Post, which also noted, in an article published earlier today, that while the rest of the country shelters in place, the detainees in the 130 or so facilities in question are, by...

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Steven Universe's Rebecca Sugar narrates video calling for closure of ICE camps
William Hughes
Yesterday 9:23PM

There are roughly 38,000 people currently being detained in ICE camps across America—that’s per The Washington Post, which also noted, in an article published earlier today, that while the rest of the country shelters in place, the detainees in the 130 or so facilities in question are, by default, unable to self-isolate in turn. Conditions in the camps were bad before a global pandemic with terrifyingly low barriers to transmission set in; in the current environment, they’ve been called out by a number of observers as a possible full-blown humanitarian crisis in the making.

That’s the message being broadcast in the above video from advocacy group Never Again Action, which features Steven Universe creator Rebecca Sugar narrating a call to action asking for an outcry in response to the current situation. The focus, specifically, is on putting pressure on state governors, who have a lot of latitude when it comes to the status of camps operating in their states, and who have the added benefit of not being, well, the current Commander-In-Chief, in terms of having fully functioning senses of shame. In a statement accompanying the video, Sugar explained why she got involved with the movement, one of her first notable public acts since Steve Universe Future wrapped up last month:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNvVEESm8kw

“Our current situation is exposing the cracks and the cruelty of our American institutions. As a Trump's Chosen American, this cruelty is too familiar to bear. Innocent lives are at stake if we don’t act immediately to release detainees from the dangerous conditions of the ICE camps. As a member of Never Again Action I’m hopeful that together we can help guide the inevitable changes that will result from this pandemic to center around human rights. But to do so, we absolutely must act now!”

[Note: Eric Thurm, who co-wrote the video for Never Again Action, is a regular freelancer for The A.V. Club.]

Surprise, surprise; the first thing she does once her show is over is become an activist, complete with using her ethnicity and the pandemic as a spring board. It’s even some how “familiar” to her.

Be honest, is the ICE camps anyway similar to the actual Holocaust as a comparison?

 

[Racist Trash]

We have to release all prisoners now! What if covid got in the prisons? They are so close together sometimes they get within stabbing range of each other!

I mean her solution isn't creation of new temporary ICE camps to better spread out the detainees it jumps immediately to "Just release them all, lol" which reveals the true intentions.

 

[The Pink Panther]

The more people becoming supporters of letting illegal immigrants roam free into the country without precautions, the more I'd say we should fucking frisk them and arrest them right when they come in no matter what creed they are.

 

[Jormungand]

Steven Universe's Rebecca Sugar narrates call for closure of ICE camps

There are roughly 38,000 people currently being detained in ICE camps across America—that’s per The Washington Post, which also noted, in an article published earlier today, that while the rest of the country shelters in place, the detainees in the 130 or so facilities in question are, by...

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Steven Universe's Rebecca Sugar narrates video calling for closure of ICE camps
William Hughes
Yesterday 9:23PM

There are roughly 38,000 people currently being detained in ICE camps across America—that’s per The Washington Post, which also noted, in an article published earlier today, that while the rest of the country shelters in place, the detainees in the 130 or so facilities in question are, by default, unable to self-isolate in turn. Conditions in the camps were bad before a global pandemic with terrifyingly low barriers to transmission set in; in the current environment, they’ve been called out by a number of observers as a possible full-blown humanitarian crisis in the making.

That’s the message being broadcast in the above video from advocacy group Never Again Action, which features Steven Universe creator Rebecca Sugar narrating a call to action asking for an outcry in response to the current situation. The focus, specifically, is on putting pressure on state governors, who have a lot of latitude when it comes to the status of camps operating in their states, and who have the added benefit of not being, well, the current Commander-In-Chief, in terms of having fully functioning senses of shame. In a statement accompanying the video, Sugar explained why she got involved with the movement, one of her first notable public acts since Steve Universe Future wrapped up last month:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNvVEESm8kw

“Our current situation is exposing the cracks and the cruelty of our American institutions. As a Trump's Chosen American, this cruelty is too familiar to bear. Innocent lives are at stake if we don’t act immediately to release detainees from the dangerous conditions of the ICE camps. As a member of Never Again Action I’m hopeful that together we can help guide the inevitable changes that will result from this pandemic to center around human rights. But to do so, we absolutely must act now!”

[Note: Eric Thurm, who co-wrote the video for Never Again Action, is a regular freelancer for The A.V. Club.]

You know the funny thing about this is that most people who tends to be against Illegal immigrants tend to be immigrants themselves.
Mostly because the illegals tend to abuse freedom America gives them and more often than not, they tend to be criminals and trafficking children.

https://youtu.be/jeN1NSKrLxM

 

[AverageAnimeWatcher]

Do you guys think Rebecca will get to lead another show?

I doubt they would've given her 6 seasons of Steven Universe and a movie if it wasn't profitable somehow, but, still, I do think Steven Universe was never a huge hit like Ben 10 or even Teen Titans Go for the actual target demographic: Kids.

So, I think it might be harder for her to convince the executives to give her another shot.

 

[Sayon]

Insert Happy Merchant

If only Sugar reigned herself and her staff in and we wouldn't have gotten a boring mess that (sometimes) pretends to be poor man's Utena. The Diamonds are characterized all over the place but Sugar wants us to treat them like Utena's villains as hurt people to be understood and the sudden direction to paint the Diamonds as a broken family was like she suddenly remembered she hadn't huffed her fave anime in a while.

The Diamonds are just a confused metaphor. As both a "victim" and "the privlieged."

And Utena doesn't have any villains who got the death toll of the Diamonds. The lot of them are just jerks being teens or adults in a school. It's silly to try to pull some "understanding everyone is really a victim or secretly nice" yet go out of the way to show the empire as genocidal terrors.

 

[Pinochet Was Right]

So now thanks to this shit and the degenerate alphabet people and the "allies" that watch it, can we expect Cartroon Grooming Network to keep making degenerate shit? A few days ago they were celebrating troons in social media and we raided these posts by calling out all the degenerates commenting as groomers. Notably, there wasn't a single kid posting in the CN page, at most the "ally mommies" that gotta be Munchausen by proxy with their kids.

 

[The Pink Panther]

So now thanks to this shit and the degenerate alphabet people and the "allies" that watch it, can we expect Cartroon Grooming Network to keep making degenerate shit? A few days ago they were celebrating troons in social media and we raided these posts by calling out all the degenerates commenting as groomers. Notably, there wasn't a single kid posting in the CN page, at most the "ally mommies" that gotta be Munchausen by proxy with their kids.

There will be one more decade of troons rising to control the media before the Zoomer revolution.

And that is now.

 

[BroccoliBrain]

And Utena doesn't have any villains who got the death toll of the Diamonds. The lot of them are just jerks being teens or adults in a school. It's silly to try to pull some "understanding everyone is really a victim or secretly nice" yet go out of the way to show the empire as genocidal terrors.

Yeah, they're human and so their backstories still work to make us sympathetic to their human-sized atrocities. Even THE main villain, an adult who is a serial cheater, molests teenagers, and fucks his sister is not an existential threat to the setting. The Diamonds were and so that's why we all wanted, especially in a show with magic and superweapons, for Steven to eventually kick their ass - because you can't talk down genocidal alien war lords who shouldn't care about organic emotions or know what a dead sister is to have feelings to be appealed to.

Sugar really wanted the same framing while forgetting the totally different context she wrote with her own hands.

 

[Yamma Damma]

"Now a Griefing Thread" yeah that's fair.

Steven Universe's Rebecca Sugar narrates call for closure of ICE camps

There are roughly 38,000 people currently being detained in ICE camps across America—that’s per The Washington Post, which also noted, in an article published earlier today, that while the rest of the country shelters in place, the detainees in the 130 or so facilities in question are, by...

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Steven Universe's Rebecca Sugar narrates video calling for closure of ICE camps
William Hughes
Yesterday 9:23PM

There are roughly 38,000 people currently being detained in ICE camps across America—that’s per The Washington Post, which also noted, in an article published earlier today, that while the rest of the country shelters in place, the detainees in the 130 or so facilities in question are, by default, unable to self-isolate in turn. Conditions in the camps were bad before a global pandemic with terrifyingly low barriers to transmission set in; in the current environment, they’ve been called out by a number of observers as a possible full-blown humanitarian crisis in the making.

That’s the message being broadcast in the above video from advocacy group Never Again Action, which features Steven Universe creator Rebecca Sugar narrating a call to action asking for an outcry in response to the current situation. The focus, specifically, is on putting pressure on state governors, who have a lot of latitude when it comes to the status of camps operating in their states, and who have the added benefit of not being, well, the current Commander-In-Chief, in terms of having fully functioning senses of shame. In a statement accompanying the video, Sugar explained why she got involved with the movement, one of her first notable public acts since Steve Universe Future wrapped up last month:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNvVEESm8kw

“Our current situation is exposing the cracks and the cruelty of our American institutions. As a Trump's Chosen American, this cruelty is too familiar to bear. Innocent lives are at stake if we don’t act immediately to release detainees from the dangerous conditions of the ICE camps. As a member of Never Again Action I’m hopeful that together we can help guide the inevitable changes that will result from this pandemic to center around human rights. But to do so, we absolutely must act now!”

[Note: Eric Thurm, who co-wrote the video for Never Again Action, is a regular freelancer for The A.V. Club.]

>speaks about the evils of detainment centers and why people must go
>puts a detainment center in her kids cartoon and doesn't let the people go

 

[AverageAnimeWatcher]

The Diamonds were and so that's why we all wanted, especially in a show with magic and superweapons, for Steven to eventually kick their ass - because you can't talk down genocidal alien war lords who shouldn't care about organic emotions or know what a dead sister is to have feelings to be appealed to.

Yeah pretty much.

The tl;dr of my other post is that Steven Universe doesn't actually believe it has villains only broken people. That's why Rebeca Sugar was so against the heroes shattering Spinel after the suits suggested it.

I mean yeah any sane person would think that the diamonds or anyone attempting to commit genocide is a villain and should be punished. But not this show.

It happened all the time. The show hypes a "villain" even showing them in a menacing silhouette then reveals they were just misunderstood all along.

Even the lovable nerd Peridot was hyped as this huge evil treat. But as you know, that's not the case at all.

 

[TungstenCarbide]

And Utena doesn't have any villains who got the death toll of the Diamonds. The lot of them are just jerks being teens or adults in a school.

Yes. Also, the main villain in Utena hasn't a redemption arc: at the end of the series he is the only one who hasn't been changed by the (for the duellists, Utena and Anthy) cataclismatic events of the last two episodes. He didn't even understand the magnitude of what happened. He's prisoner of his habits and his mindset, while everyone around him moved on, a harsh punisment for somebody who was constantly a step ahead of the people who he used to manipulate, and who kept looking at the future.

The Diamonds went on with their wars for thousands years, and Sugar wants us to believe that they can change their mindset in the span of a few days. And not only that, but that their activities after the war are enough to redeem them. I suppose that gems can be reassembled and cured, but the damage to the colonized planets and their organic life can't be undone so easily.

 

[MalWart]

Steven Universe's Rebecca Sugar narrates call for closure of ICE camps

There are roughly 38,000 people currently being detained in ICE camps across America—that’s per The Washington Post, which also noted, in an article published earlier today, that while the rest of the country shelters in place, the detainees in the 130 or so facilities in question are, by...

news.avclub.com

Steven Universe's Rebecca Sugar narrates video calling for closure of ICE camps
William Hughes
Yesterday 9:23PM

There are roughly 38,000 people currently being detained in ICE camps across America—that’s per The Washington Post, which also noted, in an article published earlier today, that while the rest of the country shelters in place, the detainees in the 130 or so facilities in question are, by default, unable to self-isolate in turn. Conditions in the camps were bad before a global pandemic with terrifyingly low barriers to transmission set in; in the current environment, they’ve been called out by a number of observers as a possible full-blown humanitarian crisis in the making.

That’s the message being broadcast in the above video from advocacy group Never Again Action, which features Steven Universe creator Rebecca Sugar narrating a call to action asking for an outcry in response to the current situation. The focus, specifically, is on putting pressure on state governors, who have a lot of latitude when it comes to the status of camps operating in their states, and who have the added benefit of not being, well, the current Commander-In-Chief, in terms of having fully functioning senses of shame. In a statement accompanying the video, Sugar explained why she got involved with the movement, one of her first notable public acts since Steve Universe Future wrapped up last month:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNvVEESm8kw

“Our current situation is exposing the cracks and the cruelty of our American institutions. As a Trump's Chosen American, this cruelty is too familiar to bear. Innocent lives are at stake if we don’t act immediately to release detainees from the dangerous conditions of the ICE camps. As a member of Never Again Action I’m hopeful that together we can help guide the inevitable changes that will result from this pandemic to center around human rights. But to do so, we absolutely must act now!”

[Note: Eric Thurm, who co-wrote the video for Never Again Action, is a regular freelancer for The A.V. Club.]

I'll be laughing if the people bitching about Trump not having enough experience in politics are going to suddenly take the political advice of someone who can't write a cartoon for shit.

 

[AverageAnimeWatcher]

I'll be laughing if the people bitching about Trump not having enough experience in politics are going to suddenly take the political advice of someone who can't write a cartoon for shit.

Surprise, surprise; the first thing she does once her show is over is become an activist, complete with using her ethnicity and the pandemic as a spring board. It’s even some how “familiar” to her.

Be honest, is the ICE camps anyway similar to the actual Holocaust as a comparison?

I have a better question. Why didn't she try to make Trump and ICE talk about their feelings? That should be more effective than making a video, right?

 

[One Man Bland]

So one thing I never understood about fusion.

How come when Garnet and Amethyst fuse the result is this size:

When a Pearl and Garnet fuse, they’re about the same:

But then when Steven fuses with any of the Gems, the result is only slightly taller than a normal human:

I remember vaguely there was an argument it was because Steven’s clothes aren’t part of the fusion, but then they threw that out the window immediately after with Obsidian, so why bother with that limitation in the first place?

 

[Knojkamarangasan_#4]

So one thing I never understood about fusion.

How come when Garnet and Amethyst fuse the result is this size:
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When a Pearl and Garnet fuse, they’re about the same:
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But then when Steven fuses with any of the Gems, the result is only slightly taller than a normal human:
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I remember vaguely there was an argument it was because Steven’s clothes aren’t part of the fusion, but then they threw that out the window immediately after with Obsidian, so why bother with that limitation in the first place?

Sugar can't write for shit and keep stuff consistent.



....


Well more likely I always assumed it was because of Steven being half human and it interfered with it somehow. Also @Pixy Misa man I remember when that trailer came out and everyone was so hyped... I miss those days of the show honestly.

 

[AverageAnimeWatcher]

You know, I just realized something dark about Steven himself, but probably something Rebeca didn't intent.

Pink Diamond's had the need to be loved by people, especially by people that disliked her, because she loved the thrill of the conquest and seduction, but once you loved her back she instantly lost interest in you. Sure she might've played with you a little, but in the end, she just discarded you as she did with Spinel. In fact, people that loved her from the get-go like Pearl, and Spinel just bored her.

Sure she did stay around with her loved ones, but she eventually abandoned all of them without exception.

Greg was different in that he actually sought her out, but he also was the only person that confronted her and said: "I am not just a disposable toy. Look at me, like a real person".

Steven was a bit better with it because he did have some attachments at first, but ultimately he was very much like her. Consider how he spent the whole show trying to win Jasper, but the instant Jasper became attached to him he lost all interest in her. And I don't mean just the scene of him still being in shock for shattering her.

Connie for Steven and Greg for Pink are the only ones they tried to have something for the rest of their lives.

And the show's finale of him abandoning everyone just confirms it. He really is Pink's son.

 

[keyboredsm4shthe2nd]

You know, I just realized something dark about Steven himself, but probably something Rebeca didn't intent.

Pink Diamond's had the need to be loved by people, especially by people that disliked her, because she loved the thrill of the conquest and seduction, but once you loved her back she instantly lost interest in you. Sure she might've played with you a little, but in the end, she just discarded you as she did with Spinel. In fact, people that loved her from the get-go like Pearl, and Spinel just bored her.

Sure she did stay around with her loved ones, but she eventually abandoned all of them without exception.

Greg was different in that he actually sought her out, but he also was the only person that confronted her and said: "I am not just a disposable toy. Look at me, like a real person".

Steven was a bit better with it because he did have some attachments at first, but ultimately he was very much like her. Consider how he spent the whole show trying to win Jasper, but the instant Jasper became attached to him he lost all interest in her. And I don't mean just the scene of him still being in shock for shattering her.

Connie for Steven and Greg for Pink are the only ones they tried to have something for the rest of their lives.

And the show's finale of him abandoning everyone just confirms it. He really is Pink's son.

I suppose this shows that Rebecca's and Tumblr's attitudes pervade.
What they think they're writing: Intense emotional western anime with gay characters, a story about not making the mistakes of your parents
What they're actually writing: Romanticized abuse and neglect, becoming your parent (arguably even worse because he realized she was wrong), hugs can make everything better and genocidal dictators are just poor uwu babies but fuck white men who slight you.

 

[Syaoran Li]

Do you guys think Rebecca will get to lead another show?

I doubt they would've given her 6 seasons of Steven Universe and a movie if it wasn't profitable somehow, but, still, I do think Steven Universe was never a huge hit like Ben 10 or even Teen Titans Go for the actual target demographic: Kids.

So, I think it might be harder for her to convince the executives to give her another shot.

Thankfully, I don't think Rebecca Sugar will ever get another show on Cartoon Network or really anywhere else outside of maybe one of those Netflix original shows that last a season or two at most.

The rise of Steven Universe was entirely a case of simply being at the right place at the right time. Rebecca Sugar was part of the Adventure Time crew back when that show was the big heavy-hitter for CN in the early 2010's, and that show more than anything kicked off the trend of "CalArts" Tumblr style cartoons that were dominant in the 2010's and was epitomized by Sugar's show. CN struck gold with Adventure Time and so they gave Rebecca Sugar her own show.

But here's the thing, most of the old regime big shots at Cartoon Network in the 2010's are no longer with the company, and this phenomenon had largely completed itself before March 2020. So now Rebecca Sugar is in a position where she does not have the connections she used to have back in 2014-2015.

Plus, you've got COVID-19 actively wrecking everyone's shit at every level, and we're on the cusp of a new cultural zeitgeist and that's another mark against Rebecca Sugar having any future at CN or anywhere else.

For good or ill, Steven Universe is very much a cartoon that embodies the 2010's both culturally and aesthetically,

It will always be seen as the weird hipster cartoon about lesbian space rocks and it's going to be dated in several years. At least with Adventure Time and Teen Titans Go, they aren't quite as obviously 2010's except for their art style.

Teen Titans Go may be a dumb kids show, but it's simple enough that it'll always be good rerun fodder that kids will watch, and that's all it ever was really meant as. Adventure Time veered off the deep end in its later seasons, but the early seasons were just a goofy adventure comedy for the kids, so those will still hold up.

Steven Universe always tried to be this "deep" artsy thing when it clearly wasn't, and Rebecca Sugar was trying to make a woke American version of Sailor Moon or Utena but instead ended up with the show that will be to the 2010's what Ren & Stimpy was to the 1990's, a show that was popular in its time but is now seen as embodying the worst elements of that era's pop culture and will be little more than punchline fodder for Robot Chicken sketches or a VH1 "I Love The 2010's" special.

So now thanks to this shit and the degenerate alphabet people and the "allies" that watch it, can we expect Cartroon Grooming Network to keep making degenerate shit? A few days ago they were celebrating troons in social media and we raided these posts by calling out all the degenerates commenting as groomers. Notably, there wasn't a single kid posting in the CN page, at most the "ally mommies" that gotta be Munchausen by proxy with their kids.

Honestly, thanks to Corona-chan taking a crowbar to the economy and Steven Universe likely to become a dated relic of the 2010's for reasons I outlined above, I doubt we'll see much more of this.

Rate me optimistic for thinking that, but "Get Woke, Go Broke" starts to matter when the global economy is in the shitter and the culture starts to change.

 

[Sayon]

https://twitter.com/EsemicolonR/status/1244466811699113984