Supreme Court rules against affirmative action at universities - Oh My God, And Affirmative Action is toast!

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The U.S. Supreme Court has ruled against race-conscious programs at universities, handing a win to a group that argued that the institutions shouldn’t consider race in evaluating applications for admission.

The high court, which has a conservative majority, had been expected to return a decision that wasn’t favorable for affirmative action.

The admissions programs at Harvard and the University of North Carolina that the court considered “cannot be reconciled with the guarantees of the Equal Protection Clause,” wrote Chief Justice John Roberts in the majority’s opinion, referring to a key clause in the U.S. Constitution.

“Both programs lack sufficiently focused and measurable objectives warranting the use of race, unavoidably employ race in a negative manner, involve racial stereotyping, and lack meaningful end points. We have never permitted admissions programs to work in that way, and we will not do so today.”

He was joined in the opinion by Justices Samuel Alito, Amy Coney Barrett, Neil Gorsuch, Brett Kavanaugh and Clarence Thomas.

 

[MirnaMinkoff]

This wasn't about black students, they just got scapegoated on this one. This was about Sun Yen's parents pissed as fuck their high scoring kid didn't get in, and blaming it on the black kid that did get in. All the Asians thought their rightful spot got stolen by a black kid.

Affirmative Action, in the last 20 years, has been used to stem an Asian wave of students more than it's helped black students.

I'm sure some of you have been around or near Ivy League campuses. There isn't a lot of black students, but there are an enormous about of Asians and UK version of Asians (Pajeets). Ivy Leagues were desperate to figure out ways to not have an entire moonspeaking student body. Other institutions are happy to take the big bucks tuition fees that foreign and Asian-American students pay but the Ivys have billion dollar endowments and don't care about that shit. They care about their brand and want super star grads, not corporate worker bees in STEM.

I actually knew a white Americans from Appalachia got preference under Affirmative Action. Years ago I found out a very distant relative of mine got into a very good school. I was gobbsmacked because I knew our grades and scores were about the same but I didn't even bother applying to this level of top-tier school figuring it was pointless. Apparently going to High School in Tenn qualified him for some special consideration and they got in. Can't say it didn't chap my ass.

 

[LaxerBRO]

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https://twitter.com/realchrisrufo/status/1674548940522549248

https://ghostarchive.org/archive/7SYtl

If this fucker was shot, I wonder if he would decline treatment if the trauma team wasn't diverse enough.

 

[Safir]

303 Creative is out, she won.

 

[Barry McKockner]

https://archive.ph/r0Oan

 

[SBG]

Are your serious? Roberts literally rebuked your suggestion, and I just posted it. Okay, I'll repost it then:
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Read the bolded part this time where he says it can't be used as a means to circumvent his opinion. What do you think is going to happen if Harvard literally does what it says they can't do? Yeah, that's not going to work.

Yeah they can't consider a person's race, but they can consider how race affected the applicant's life. It's in the majority opinion if you care to read it.

It obviously goes against the spirit of the decision, but Roberts basically created a great big loophole to let schools interpret things as they want to so long as they don't say explicitly that they're wanting a student because of his race (just his racial experiences).

Some are already theorizing how they can develop essay prompts to help find out students' backgrounds. Because as Harvard, not so secretly stated, they want to use people's talk of how "race affected his or her life" in their essays to judge admission.

https://archive.is/inxYG

Some education officials had already strategized on how to use the essay. In a recent presentation sponsored by the American Council on Education, Shannon Gundy, the director of undergraduate admissions at the University of Maryland, said students should tailor their admissions essays to describe how race had affected their lives.

“Right now, students write about their soccer practice; they write about their grandmother dying,” she said. “They don’t write about their trials and tribulations. They don’t write about the challenges they’ve had to experience.”
Starting in the fall, colleges may begin using essay questions to gather information about a student’s background, even if they are worried about running afoul of the ruling, Ms. Gundy said in an email.
“We’ll have to work together to develop useful essay prompts, educate counselors and students about how best to approach the college essay, and provide information to colleges that may be reluctant (or even risk averse) about how to craft questions that are more meaningful,” she said.

 

[Mothra1988]

Yeah they can't consider a person's race, but they can consider how race affected the applicant's life. It's in the majority opinion if you care to read it.

It obviously goes against the spirit of the decision, but Roberts basically created a great big loophole to let schools interpret things as they want to so long as they don't say explicitly that they're wanting a student because of his race (just his racial experiences).

You literally just posted the same screenshot AGAIN, after I posted the one that has Roberts saying you can't use essays to simply circumvent the ruling and fill the schools up with unqualified niggers again. Since we're playing that game, here you go again:

Here it is in all caps and bolded, try to read it this time:

DESPITE THE DISSENT'S ASSERTION TO THE CONTRARY, UNIVERSITIES MAY NOT SIMPLY ESTABLISH THROUGH APPLICATION ESSAYS OR OTHER MEANS THE REGIME WE HOLD UNLAWFUL TODAY... WHAT CAN-NOT BE DONE DIRECTLY CANNOT BE DONE INDIRECTLY

Here I'll post it a second time for you:

DESPITE THE DISSENT'S ASSERTION TO THE CONTRARY, UNIVERSITIES MAY NOT SIMPLY ESTABLISH THROUGH APPLICATION ESSAYS OR OTHER MEANS THE REGIME WE HOLD UNLAWFUL TODAY... WHAT CAN-NOT BE DONE DIRECTLY CANNOT BE DONE INDIRECTLY

 

[Mewtwo_Rain]

My only question is if they'll be able to sidestep the law in similar fashion to how workplace discrimination is sidestepped by not addressing the true reason for firing or in this case recruitment on a false basis (firing on a false basis to avoid the accusation of discrimination). Basically by avoiding the race angle but mind-reading wise using another excuse to flood it with nogs in colleges?

I'm glad to see the scotus dismantle AA directly but will that stop it within plausible deniability reach?

 

[Back me up!]

@SBG (sorry, reply bug) all of that is true but the one shining hope is that it's going to be particularly hard to practice secret affirmative action at law schools. Admission is based on hard numbers that are difficult to cheat. And rejected students may be litigious. This means fewer Sotomayors and Jacksons

 

[Snekposter]

It obviously goes against the spirit of the decision, but Roberts basically created a great big loophole to let schools interpret things as they want to so long as they don't say explicitly that they're wanting a student because of his race (just his racial experiences).

Have you bothered to read the second half of that sentence that isn't highlighted?

so long as that discussion is concretely tied to a quality of character or unique ability that the particular applicant can contribute to the university

So you can't just say "I grew up black, which means <x>", but instead actually have to specifically write out how growing up black altered your character in a way that ensures you will actually contribute to the university, and the other part that @Mothra1988 highlighted tells universities they can't just accept that shit at face value to try and do an end run around this ruling. Thomas and Roberts are both telling Harvard "WE'LL FUCKING DO IT AGAIN YOU FAGGOTS", and unsurprisingly Harvard is not listening to them in the slightest.

 

[SBG]

tells universities they can't just accept that shit at face value to try and do an end run around this ruling. Thomas and Roberts are both telling Harvard "WE'LL FUCKING DO IT AGAIN YOU FAGGOTS", and unsurprisingly Harvard is not listening to them in the slightest.

How do you force the administration/admissions people to not "accept that shit at face value"? Would you say they violated the spirit of the decision because blacks or Hispanics are over represented (google suggests blacks are under represented there)? Because somehow you'd have to have some kind of evidence of what was going through their minds to decide why some retards were being admitted over someone more competent.

It's easy when it's just a plain deal of giving someone extra points in the admissions game based on race, but it's harder to really prove what was causing someone to judge an essay a certain way.

 

[Snekposter]

How do you force the administration/admissions people to not "accept that shit at face value"? Would you say they violated the spirit of the decision because blacks or Hispanics are over represented (google suggests blacks are under represented there)? Because somehow you'd have to have some kind of evidence of what was going through their minds to decide why some retards were being admitted over someone more competent.

It's easy when it's just a plain deal of giving someone extra points in the admissions game based on race, but it's harder to really prove what was causing someone to judge an essay a certain way.

You can look at admissions applications that were filed and do a compare/contrast on how they were graded, and if blacks scored higher on certain portions despite the actual content being inferior or the same, Harvard would have some explaining to do.

 

[Johnny Salami]

Yeah Harvard has already stated they're going to use that loophole to let them still judge people on racial 'experiences' which pretty much means race will still be used. The people that will be enforcing the rules in universities are going to be whiny bitches and try bending the rules to suit their ideology which only a court order would stop, but how would that really play out? Someone goes to court to say someone's essay was judged more persuasive because they were black?

Harvard would obviously be going against the spirit of the SCOTUS ruling, but you'd still need to argue in the courts how that was the case.

>be white guy
>write about how you are a strong independent black woman
>get in Harvard
>Admision sees you're a white guy
>they try and kick you out
>claim you lied about race
>ask if race and gender are social constructs
>"of course they are"
Shame I can't apply anywhere to game the system. I'd take them to court