Surrogacy and IVF Debate Thread

I don't think lesbians really matter in the surrogacy debate since they usually just get pregnant using donor sperm. It's only gay men who need to rent out a woman's womb and call them "meatsacks".
yeah, exactly this. Two women means you've got two chances not to get dealt the infertility card. And for what it's worth, sperm isn't exactly that hard to obtain. So, if both women can get pregnant, they could even choose to share the reproductive labor and have a whole passel of kids, and wouldn't that be the most adorable thing....?

The real mpreg is dykes getting pregnant. Deal with it.
 
I beg people on here to get in their thick skull than we don't actually need the population to grow. We have 8 BILLIONS dummies living on this speck of space dust, the world has never been as populated by our kind of apes as it is today.

Anybody who tells you than humans are about to go extinct is a lying griffter. Even the Koreans are gonna be there for a long long time.

We just need to figure out a plan for the old, the disabled and the layabouts, but slowing down population growth would actually be a relief on several of our problems.
More about long term trends, we can't accurately predict shit of course (remember ice caps gone by 2020?) but we can see bad things coming.
Specifically about quality of people, not to get mein reich on too much but most of those 8 billions aren't the sort who actually setup the infrastructure to not fucking starve to death. Just imagine a USA without a functional nig-spic cycle because the social security fund reached critical negative mass and actually ran dry.
And also the bigger the balloon gets the bigger the bang when it pops, that could be very loud.
coal-burner confirmed
Need to level up your racism score, if it is penis-in-vagina huwhyte way around the correct term is oil-drilling, not to be confused with curry-munching or rice-boiling.
 
Need to level up your racism score, if it is penis-in-vagina huwhyte way around the correct term is oil-drilling, not to be confused with curry-munching or rice-boiling.
He's not white. He's romanian. Which makes the white supremacists "muh birthrates" LARP even more retarded. Gypsy birth rates can't possibly be low enough.
 
I don't think lesbians really matter in the surrogacy debate since they usually just get pregnant using donor sperm. It's only gay men who need to rent out a woman's womb and call them "meatsacks".
yeah, exactly this. Two women means you've got two chances not to get dealt the infertility card. And for what it's worth, sperm isn't exactly that hard to obtain. So, if both women can get pregnant, they could even choose to share the reproductive labor and have a whole passel of kids, and wouldn't that be the most adorable thing....?

The real mpreg is dykes getting pregnant. Deal with it.
It certainly doesn't have the other exploitative problems that paid surrogacy has. Though I've known one raised by lesbian girl in my college years and she was so batshit crazy that though I have nothing but that single data point, I have some hesitancy to cheer it on.

Anyone else had experience with children of lesbian mothers?

I always kinda liked lesbian couples I've met, but none of them had children.
 
Anyone else had experience with children of lesbian mothers?
I have an excellent sample size as I know one (1) and they're very boringly normal, the grandparents had an interesting escapade to do with prostitutes and house squatting though so maybe that sin-ate the crazyness for a generation in recompense.
He's not white. He's r*manian.
Poor Nubians, they do not deserve this.
 
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I don't think lesbians really matter in the surrogacy debate since they usually just get pregnant using donor sperm. It's only gay men who need to rent out a woman's womb and call them "meatsacks".
Gay male couples definitely shouldn’t be able to have access to babies since their defiance of god, dignity and hygiene left them with no natural route
coal-burner confirmed
There’s SOME attractive black girls, just not MANY. And all male kiwis have secret crushes on Azealia Banks
Two women means you've got two chances not to get dealt the infertility card. And for what it's worth, sperm isn't exactly that hard to obtain.
See, one of the reasons men are attracted to non-morbidly obese women is fertility
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He's not white. He's romanian. Which makes the white supremacists "muh birthrates" LARP even more retarded. Gypsy birth rates can't possibly be low enough.
Oh that's his dream. To combine his filthy subhuman thieving gypsy genes with the genes of a very fast nigger to create the ultimate gypsy-nigger thief hybrid who can carry out armed robberies on corner shops and run away faster than the police cars.

A cunning plan, I agree. Like how they breed the most aggressive and stupidest pit bulls together to produce child-eating ones.

I applaud the base animal cunning involved in the fantasy, but the difficulty in making it a reality is that not even African women will fuck gypsies.
 
IVF and surrogacy are undeniably wrong. However, our society places individual convenience as the highest moral good. Therefore they will continue to be seen as ‘good’.
 
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I didn’t have any trouble getting pregnant if that is what you are asking.
I wasn’t asking that and I’m glad for you. If you recall, I mentioned I have a sister who’s overweight and doesn’t have children, but it might also have to do with abortions she was pressured into having when she was fresh out of college. Abusive boyfriend, I’m sure you understand. Either way it’s not like I’m just blindly shitting on something I hold myself superior to.

It’s just there’s that modern thing to try to turn the tables and imply there’s something more wrong with men who are attracted to women in reasonable shape than there is with being out of reasonable shape. So, I was drawing the correlation between bmi and fertility to point out its not as simple as us all being jerks about it.
 
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An ex coworker had a kid via IVF. Late 20s, healthy couple, but the husband was shooting blanks. The kid ended up with autism. Coworker never outright said it, but some comments she made about her son made me think if she could turn back time she wouldn't have gone through with the whole ordeal. Also, her husband's brother had down syndrome. Bad genes that nature just wasn't keen on continuing.
 
IVF children are weird when they grow up
 
I don't know a damn thing about IVF, so no comment on that as of now.
Surrogacy? Fuuuuck that shit bro it's all kinds of messed up. Renting out a woman's womb is already bad, especially when you consider that the type of woman likely to be a surrogate is likely poor, desperate, and possibly being manipulated by a quasi-pimp type situation. Then you actually get into the fact that it's literally buying and selling babies with like no red tape at all. There is no difference between buying a child and surrogacy, it's just extra steps.
At least adoption has quite a few hurdles, as it should, but as we have seen multiple times surrogacy just gives crazy predators a whole kid for a couple racks. These kids are literally born to be sex slaves for these weird fags, that's actually a thing that is happening.
So yeah, not a fan.
 
I wasn’t asking that and I’m glad for you. If you recall, I mentioned I have a sister who’s overweight and doesn’t have children, but it might also have to do with abortions she was pressured into having when she was fresh out of college. Abusive boyfriend, I’m sure you understand. Either way it’s not like I’m just blindly shitting on something I hold myself superior to.

It’s just there’s that modern thing to try to turn the tables and imply there’s something more wrong with men who are attracted to women in reasonable shape than there is with being out of reasonable shape. So, I was drawing the correlation between bmi and fertility to point out its not as simple as us all being jerks about it.
Notes From Moids' Boners are still Notes From Moids' Boners regardless of how you try to present them as "objectively reasonable".

It's completely fine for moids to have boner preferences, but that doesn't mean anyone else has to care about them. Women's lives do not revolve around the boner preferences of moids. This is a difficult thing for many moids to conceptualise. But moid boner feels are substantially less important to Random Woman than whether or not it might rain at the weekend. The latter will actually have a minor impact on our social plans.

It does not matter at all what moids as a class - or even more pointedly, as individuals - are attracted to, now that marriage is not required to avoid starvation and homelessness. I can understand from their squealing that it's very important to moids, but it no longer is important to women.

Moids honking about "huh huh huh I can have sex with women who aren't you who make my smol pp hard huhuhhuh" is as relevant as me advising how many blue Smarties were in the tube I just opened. It is genuinely of no relevance. Good for moids. Go be happy with pp. The women who are supposed to have their feelings hurt by this are not paying attention.

Moids believe the worst insult they can fling at a woman is "I wouldn't have sex with you". Women in general are pretty baffed by this, because the average woman does not want to have sex with virtually every man on the planet. Like, there are billions of moids, and if asked, most women can name maybe four or five they are actually sexually attracted to, and at least three of those will be major celebrities. It's good that moids wouldn't have sex with us. I mean, it's also a lie, because uncastrated stray dogs are pickier than the type of moid who seeks out women to insult, but it's good that we are all on the same page that absolutely no one wants to have sex.
 
Reposting this here because it’s relevant,
do any of you feel uncomfortable with the idea of sperm donation? I am more than well aware that using a sperm bank is not morally comparable to surrogacy, but I feel a similar –albeit far less intense– discomfort regarding it.
 
surrogacy preys on women who are either desperate for money or are being pressured by their family/friends. it is a bad practice and should not be allowed

i don’t have an opinion on IVF one way or another. it’s just another scientific advancement that seems appropriate for couples to have as an option if they choose

the only restriction i can think of is that IVF should not be available to single women
 
It's also extremely dangerous and a much more invasive procedure than sperm donation and several woman literally died during the retrieval procedure.
An interesting advantage of being a man :smug:
 
My nephew is an adopted foster child, his parents had trouble conceiving with a few losses. They had a tough time.

The year after they adopted him, my niece was born through IVF. They are by no means rich people but they do well, and it still cost quite a lot.

I do not believe IVF is a bad tool at all and my niece is a great kid. I'm happy more kids are born in households with good, safe parents. I'm also happy foster kids get adopted.

IVF and Surrogacy should only be used for hetero couples with proven difficulties conceiving. I'm not a eugenics guy, I don't believe in the "certain people shouldn't be able to breed" logic if literal retards can conceive just fine.

Man perverts the tools given to him by God. They are not inherently good or evil, only reflecting values in the way they are used.
 
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