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I don't know if this is the right place for it, but community watch doesn't seem to have a thread for tabletop and the board game threads seem to be dead.

Very popular board game concordia gets a reprint full of deluxe components, replacing wooden bits and pieces with fancy plastic ones, double layered boards, etc. However, they also use AI art. This made the game shoot up in the "hotness" ranking of boardgamegeek to get reviewbombed. Earlier the rating was at 2.2, but either the counter 10/10 reviews have caught up, or BGG has been deleting 1/10 ratings.
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There are also the soyboys scared of boobs that don't like the new box art.
 
Kofi Drinka said:
What is going on with Turnip 28? It had some popularity a while ago and seemed to be a draw to historical gamers wanting a bit of fantasy. I still see videos of people making models for it, so there's still some sort of support for it. I assume Tranny crusade stole the player base as it's the same retarded idea with a slightly different time frame.


Looks like it's priced the same as every other computer to tabletop game. The licensing fees jack up the cost so you end up within GW's price range. We have a weird cost divide in this hobby where everything is either dirt cheap (Perry, WGA, Oathmark) or it's an artisan product with over inflated costs. There isn't much of a middle ground where something like this should fit.

It will sell extremely well on kick starter. Whales will make it a best selling product for a month and then it's dead. No one playing it, talking about it or painting figures. Same old story for all these IPs.
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It has a successful Kickstarter last year and channels like you said still make content. I look at turnip as the chill version of trench crusade. Very kitbash / scratch build friendly, the rules are always updated and a community that's pretty welcoming to newcomers.
I've been looking at starting but the interest locally is none existent.
 
Kofi Drinka said:
What is going on with Turnip 28? It had some popularity a while ago and seemed to be a draw to historical gamers wanting a bit of fantasy. I still see videos of people making models for it, so there's still some sort of support for it. I assume Tranny crusade stole the player base as it's the same retarded idea with a slightly different time frame.
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i think it just lost steam, it still has patreon updates but the skirmish game they were making is still in development, but i think they've had escalating model releases for 3d printing here and there
 
I literally never heard of this game until you guys brought it up, and a decent buddy of mine is into and knows minis decently well. He would've likely mentioned it if it had decent success to any degree given how you lot are describing it.
 
Adamska said:
I literally never heard of this game until you guys brought it up, and a decent buddy of mine is into and knows minis decently well. He would've likely mentioned it if it had decent success to any degree given how you lot are describing it.
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It was / is extremely successful for it's niche. It's a game all about converting models and it's very loose other than that. Which makes it impressive it has any traction.
 
Turnip is more whimsy and much less tryhard both business and game wise than TC which makes it slightly more "noble" as a product, its inherently a silly blackpowder game thats biased towards creativity and sculpting rather than just slathering an oil wash on some kriegsmen. I wouldn't be surprised if the community was as pozzed as TC's. But they haven't had a pissing contest as big as TC and seem to be doing well as a business.
 
Sunflower Samurai said:
Turnip is more whimsy and much less tryhard both business and game wise than TC which makes it slightly more "noble" as a product, its inherently a silly blackpowder game thats biased towards creativity and sculpting rather than just slathering an oil wash on some kriegsmen. I wouldn't be surprised if the community was as pozzed as TC's. But they haven't had a pissing contest as big as TC and seem to be doing well as a business.
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Wasn't the trench crusade discord that was booting people just for being in other public 40k servers for "vibes" and not any actual rules violatios, run by the same people who ran the turnip28 discord for 28-magazine? I wouldn't call that a great sign for anything regarding the community.
 
p1138 said:
Wasn't the trench crusade discord that was booting people just for being in other public 40k servers for "vibes" and not any actual rules violatios, run by the same people who ran the turnip28 discord for 28-magazine? I wouldn't call that a great sign for anything regarding the community.
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Yeah thats why I said I wouldn't be surprised, but AFAIK the actual creators have never stepped on any toes nor endorsed it like TC did. They also haven't done anything retarded with their business. So its not quite as egregious. I can't at a glance see too many of the mod team on either on the same discords, but alts are a thing and it has a dedicated subchannel like TC did. So I can't blame anyone for being skeptical
On a casual scroll through the Turnip discord I did spot a funny moment of a long dead "deleted user" getting lambasted by one guy and the creator of the game because he wanted to add in gay sex to the world. Explicitly bringing up 28mag's gay space marine article (horrid!)
 
Sunflower Samurai said:
Yeah thats why I said I wouldn't be surprised, but AFAIK the actual creators have never stepped on any toes nor endorsed it like TC did. They also haven't done anything retarded with their business. So its not quite as egregious. I can't at a glance see too many of the mod team on either on the same discords, but alts are a thing and it has a dedicated subchannel like TC did. So I can't blame anyone for being skeptical
On a casual scroll through the Turnip discord I did spot a funny moment of a long dead "deleted user" getting lambasted by one guy and the creator of the game because he wanted to add in gay sex to the world. Explicitly bringing up 28mag's gay space marine article (horrid!)
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LOL, ok so at least from the creator side it seems like it might be tolerable. I've seen a couple of youtube channels do batreps for it, and "blackpowder but with whimsy" seems like an apt description and I'm sure someone's idea of "whimsy" will look like a fucking pride parade eventually. I guess by not being as popular as 40k, or even TC it just never got enough attention from the eye of trannies for them to become a big problem "yet".
 
I don't know, What did happen to Trench Crusade? Maybe all the broken and shitty Stls they release with resin traps capable of busting your models open. Or they're kicking out their potential customers to pander to the same people who accuse them of racism when they release their map or maybe its even the fact that they had no plan once they made their money on Kickstarter and barely fulfilled their promises to the people who backed them on Kickstarter.

And of course we can't forget them abandoning stls for physical prints that cost $50.00 dollars. This video goes over the ongoing of Trench Crusade and all. tackling the many controversies of Trench Crusade.
 

Apparently Archon Studios shit the bed and is giving FLGS single digit percentage margins(have to remember payment processing fees that stores also need to pay), and it may actually in some areas exceed the price that Archon is selling for. For reference, even with Games Workshop product, retailers can offer 15-20% discounts and still make money off of it(MAP requirements in some countries aside).
 
p1138 said:

Apparently Archon Studios shit the bed and is giving FLGS single digit percentage margins(have to remember payment processing fees that stores also need to pay), and it may actually in some areas exceed the price that Archon is selling for. For reference, even with Games Workshop product, retailers can offer 15-20% discounts and still make money off of it(MAP requirements in some countries aside).
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Are you one of these fags? It's a 20 minute video with a clickbait title that can be summed up in 1 sentence. And one guy sits there bored the whole time and mumbles "yea, I guess" occasionally.
 
Kofi Drinka said:
Are you one of these fags? It's a 20 minute video with a clickbait title that can be summed up in 1 sentence. And one guy sits there bored the whole time and mumbles "yea, I guess" occasionally.
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What the fuck are you talking about? There's a reason I included a summary instead of just posting it with no context. Just read the summary if you don't want to watch the video.
 
p1138 said:
What the fuck are you talking about? There's a reason I included a summary instead of just posting it with no context. Just read the summary if you don't want to watch the video.
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The summary says everything. And it's a 20 minute video of them filling air with nothing.

What is the appeal? Why do you keep posting this specific channel?
 
Kofi Drinka said:
The summary says everything. And it's a 20 minute video of them filling air with nothing.

What is the appeal? Why do you keep posting this specific channel?
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Because usually there's little content discussing the retail side of things from actual retailers? If you've got other sources, post 'em. It's not like I post every video from this channel. Oh no I posted a video from their channel 3 weeks ago, while ignoring 5 others... again, with a summary for those not interested in watching the video. And when did I post a video(again with a summary) before that? A month before the last skipping what appears to be 17 videos of theirs that didn't have anything interesting at all going on.

If I were one of them(and I'm not Canadian), I'd be doing a piss poor job of promoting the channel and giving people a reason to not even bother clicking on the video.

edit: I went back and looked, it's 3 videos of theirs I posted across 2 months. Someone else posted a video of theirs within that same span of time. I had to go back through the thread to September to find another video from that channel that I posted, and it was about troon crusade being a failure.

What the fuck are you talking about?
 
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Generally if you bring up price point in any form (not exclusively limited to what an LGS would have to charge) in their public discord, the CEO will respond to you and repeat the mantra: "Cheap armies comparatively to other game systems" and then the true believers will emotionally react like football hooligans - dogpile, and sycophantly go on about how you have no idea what you're talking about and assert they know whats reasonable and you dont because they've spent millions of dollars on plastic and have kept entire game lines alive by fostering communities built around them with their bare hands. And that every single thing Archon does is mathematically dialed in to the perfect number already so no changes can be made (followed immediately by the CEO lowering the price despite this assumption). Oh and any concerns you may have - if they were true - would mean that the game is 100% doomed anyway so why are you even bringing it up? Silence infidel! Complete feast or famine black and white thinking.

"Cheap armies" is true, as mentioned in my previous post about a recent AMA. It's just hard to get curious non wargamers (one of their target demographics) to see that. Dollar per in game points is great, dollar per plastic is either on par with GW, slightly better, or slightly worse depending on which unit and whether or not you're getting some kind of discount from a multi box set or bundle. Giving army price point estimations is also awkward because you want some flex units for competitive depending on what becomes the tournament standard as countering is a core mechanic and Archon's idea of dealing with that is to build 2 lists, select 1 once you find out the faction of your opponent (but not their list). You can ignore that mechanic by building two of the same list or plan on only swapping 1 unit out for another, or have an entirely different list (In any case both lists have to share a faction) - so that's harder to calculate and speak to when someone asks if they're looking for that kind of scene. The company themselves are also more than happy to just let tournament organizers decide so who knows what the status quo will even be.

I think the game itself has a lot going for it, so clearly someone in the design chair knows what they're doing, but they are not businessmen. They dont allocate enough time to action on community feedback - something they seem to model their strategy around which makes their choices schizophrenic. They over communicate in some areas and under communicate in others. They spent very little on marketing and Blizzard themselves didn't even bother to make a short form link to the pre-order launch on Battlenet. The moment preorders started two of their websites exploded despite the game being still relatively unknown, getting in the way of orders, the only one alive was Gamefound and was charging inaccurate shipping. They didn't validate if the prices of their products outputted properly on some sites, or validated that they were accurate to each region. Testers were vaguely promised "Up to 80% off" very early on during the beta, and didn't get new info on that till the day of pre-orders, or whether or not they qualified. This ended up being a flat 10% discount on the entire order, which they then clarified "It was originally 80% the founders kits" which in some ways is a net positive depending on the size of the order, but still handled very sloppily. Complete shit show overall.
 
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p1138 said:
Because usually there's little content discussing the retail side of things from actual retailers? If you've got other sources, post 'em. It's not like I post every video from this channel. Oh no I posted a video from their channel 3 weeks ago, while ignoring 5 others... again, with a summary for those not interested in watching the video. And when did I post a video(again with a summary) before that? A month before the last skipping what appears to be 17 videos of theirs that didn't have anything interesting at all going on.

If I were one of them(and I'm not Canadian), I'd be doing a piss poor job of promoting the channel and giving people a reason to not even bother clicking on the video.

edit: I went back and looked, it's 3 videos of theirs I posted across 2 months. Someone else posted a video of theirs within that same span of time. I had to go back through the thread to September to find another video from that channel that I posted, and it was about troon crusade being a failure.

What the fuck are you talking about?
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Bro, I'm not going full @Kofi Drinka because you did include a summary (thank you)

But I'm also going to agree with him these niggas you post are absolutely worthless. They have nothing to say and take 40 minutes to say it. Even at 2x speed they are just painful to listen to droning on and never getting to the point or saying anything of worth. I am guessing you are one of those people who has NPR-level mindless drivel in the background to keep you from being lonely or w/e and maybe they're good for that, but for anyone who actually watches videos these guys are terrible.

anyway, to the actual content you summarized (again, thank you)

I guess that means that stores won't push Starcraft very hard nor carry a lot of inventory. So what do YOU (and not those faggot leafs) think that will mean? the game dies on launch because of no FLGS pushing it?


Brubby The 2nd said:
I think the game itself has a lot going for it, so clearly someone in the design chair knows what they're doing, but they are not businessmen. They dont allocate enough time to action on community feedback - something they seem to model their strategy around which makes their choices schizophrenic. They over communicate in some areas and under communicate in others. They spent very little on marketing and Blizzard themselves didnt even bother to make a short form link to the pre order launch on Battlenet. The moment preorders started two of their websites exploded despite the game being still relatively unkown, getting in the way of orders, the only one alive was Gamefound and was charging innacurate shipping. They didnt validate if the prices of their products outputted properly on some sites, or validated that they were accurate to each region. Complete shit show
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I'm not into wargaming (insert D&D 4e jokes here), so correct me if I'm wrong but from what I've seen, once you get above the Tier-1 units the war game only maps so-so to the game, and I really think they are missing the mark on a lot of people who might want to play this game - that is, Star Craft players - getting utterly crushed if they try to add in their favorite units.

The starter boxes look great, but even trying to add in Protoss units its pretty fucking nuts for unpainted plastic.

and I think what a lot of wargames I've seen miss: its not just dollar-per-point or cost-per-model. ITs "how much does it take for me to get started?". Two player starter sets are nice, but if I just want to play zerg, its still like $100 to buy in and I might not like it.
 
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