Tabletop Community Watch

[Shaka Brah]

Well, looks like I was right in that there was some internal upheaval in there.

This should be interesting. The best that could be hoped for is that Ernie issues a non-apology and declares the issue solved. But I have my money on "old man making a fool of himself, fanning the flames of nontroversy with an unguarded remark, and only making things worse in the end". We shall see.

He already cucked, he can't salvage this.

 

[TerribleIdeas™]

What really pisses me off about the whole TSR/Ernie scenario is the number of people that don't appear to understand the human psychology at work here - it's cult/mob psychology, where the subconscious human need for acceptance is being used against people by assholes that create the illusion of isolation, and pretend the path to acceptance is accepting the demands of the mob, despite multiple examples of acceptance and contrition never being enough, and redemption being impossible.

The average person is convinced because the vocal SJW mobs in an unrepresentative population (social media users, especially twitter users) indicate the general societal trends, when the reality is that the majority of people aren't interested in whatever TRA/SJW bullshit is being inflicted on the world at the moment; the 5% of people that produce the bulk of the content on twitter, out of 2% of Americans that use twitter don't accurately portray the general tenor, attitudes, or political positions of the average person. That doesn't matter, though... because that screeching pack of self-righteous howler monkeys is able to overwhelm any semblance of dissent, creating the perception that the opinions of the mob are the opinions of the masses, and that the people that aren't already onboard with the mob are in danger of total social, economic, and political isolation.

It's cult behaviour - isolate, indoctrinate, castigate all deviance from dogma, create new proselytizers, demonize heretics. If a person is convinced they'll be isolated for deviance from dogma, even if they don't believe the dogma, they'll spout the dogma, because they've been forced into a social and psychological dependency on the validation of the cult/mob.

 

[ZMOT]

What really pisses me off about the whole TSR/Ernie scenario is the number of people that don't appear to understand the human psychology at work here - it's cult/mob psychology, where the subconscious human need for acceptance is being used against people by assholes that create the illusion of isolation, and pretend the path to acceptance is accepting the demands of the mob, despite multiple examples of acceptance and contrition never being enough, and redemption being impossible.

The average person is convinced because the vocal SJW mobs in an unrepresentative population (social media users, especially twitter users) indicate the general societal trends, when the reality is that the majority of people aren't interested in whatever TRA/SJW bullshit is being inflicted on the world at the moment; the 5% of people that produce the bulk of the content on twitter, out of 2% of Americans that use twitter don't accurately portray the general tenor, attitudes, or political positions of the average person. That doesn't matter, though... because that screeching pack of self-righteous howler monkeys is able to overwhelm any semblance of dissent, creating the perception that the opinions of the mob are the opinions of the masses, and that the people that aren't already onboard with the mob are in danger of total social, economic, and political isolation.

It's cult behaviour - isolate, indoctrinate, castigate all deviance from dogma, create new proselytizers, demonize heretics. If a person is convinced they'll be isolated for deviance from dogma, even if they don't believe the dogma, they'll spout the dogma, because they've been forced into a social and psychological dependency on the validation of the cult/mob.

you're forgetting that most HR/PR departments are either staffed by retards or "allies". which means once woketrannies start to dilate violently you either have people go "wtf is happening" and the first instinct is to appease the mob to minimize the PR shitflinging and not fuel the flames, thinking it will be the end of it, or people that are already involved and start shit behind the scenes - and since those companies are run by retards or boomers, they don't know or don't care; same reason they jump onto the whole idpol train in the first place because they think or are told there's a huge crowd of possible new customers that are just waiting for literal rainbow colored shit.
I wouldn't even go as far as calling most of them being cultists, they're are just powertripping assholes out for money and ego-stroking. it's the same as the blockwart of old or forum mod from a decade ago because it gives them power and "fame". if you are an uninteresting waste of space no one would look at twice and can't create anything of worth, what better way to make people notice you is get in their face backed by ideology and position?

the rest doesn't really care that much because as @Corn Flakes, me and some others pointed out RPGs are way to insular and independent for that. trying to get rid of old editions is the same as "reframing previous problematic works" like edited movies and books, putting them in control how and when stuff gets made and the sole arbiter what people will consume, but again running your own game only takes some personal effort, not a multi million dollar investment, and that's why they'll keep failing and will eventually in the end; you can only run a business ignoring your customers for so long - not saying wotc will go broke tomorrow, the main reason 5e sells is PR and mainstream appeal, and because it's easy to cut out the shit they put in, lore and crunch, but if you kick out all your competent staff it will have an effect in the long run and once things change they won't be able to adapt or simply keep up. you can see some of that effect in magic already.

it's all the same shit that happened before, but what none of them seems to understand is that the internet doesn't really forget, especially when you constantly scream loud and proud. even if they "win" they'll be the first to be lined up at a wall, if not it will still be the same outcome, either way this time they can't physically hide or flee once they get caught actually revolting or memory hole their involvement. it's dumb, but natural selection is a thing after all.

EDIT: clarified last paragraph

 

[SITHRAK!]

Maybe that's what all the kids' books are for. For the 40K fans with kids to introduce the hobby to their kids in a polite manner, minus all the Blood God and degenerate sex shit.


So it's like Star Wars, then. Now people are whining about the Sequels, back then, they were whining about Lucas and the Prequels in the early 2000s. Only worse, since in both instances of the 3rd and 8th Edition, people are whining about Games Workshop.


Tournament players are the same for every game, be it Pokemon or 40K. They just buy the shiny crap and roll the competition.

Lore addicts will always have disappointment in store for them, since 40K makes lore to suit the tabletop, not the other way around. All that lore they make an effort to memorize can get thrown out at a moment's notice to appease newcomers and make room for new units.


Oh, God, this. A lot of noobs who enter into the lore through loretubers don't realize how bad some of the books are, and they basically enter through with rose-tinted goggles.

Spoiler: Loretubers are not good sources

Not to turn things into ANOTHER anti-Traviss diatribe, but damn, a lot of SW Legends loretubers are in love with the Clone Wars Mandalorians from the SW Legends continuity. Problem is, Karen Traviss wrote them, and she's basically Star Wars' answer to 40K's Matt Ward, except she's even worse since she demonizes all who go against her. Give Ward some credit, at least he's wanking off to the main characters of the 40K storyline.

Traviss keeps jerking the audience off to how great a bunch of side characters are. And when others tried making a more nuanced Mandalorian civilization in TCW, she threw a shit fit and quit, even though she kept trying to rewrite the Jedi Generals as incompetent buffoons who treat clones like dirt, when every other piece of the Expanded Universe shows them to be good at their jobs and empathetic towards their men.

But of course, a lot of SW loretubers like Generation Tech have a hard-on for Karen Traviss' novels, and they will tell you that the Mandalorians are great Jedi-killers and that Jedi generals were incompetent buffoons, when other bits of SWEU will tell you that the Mandalorians nearly get exterminated whenever they go up against the Jedi, and that the Jedi Generals were worth their weight in gold. Part of the reason why Darth Vader is one of the better Imperial commanders is because he commands and fights like a traditional Jedi General, while the average stuff-shirt Imperial buffoons treat Stormtroopers the way 40K Imperium Commissars treat the Imperial Guard.

A LOT of fans are unaware of how GW handles canon. Most of them cling to 40K books like they're the gospel truth, when GW sees the books as peripheral and not binding to what the true setting of 40K is like. It's actually kind of ironic, even. GW sees the books the way the Emperor of Mankind sees religion, as a pack of misremembered legends and lies with some kernels of truth in them, while the fans see the books the way the Imperium sees religion, as unbending truth that's canon no matter what.

I've seen no end to the 40K fans who just cannot admit that GW never intended the books to be 100% canon the way they see it, as if dealing with an army of Luke Skywalkers who cannot accept that Darth Vader is their father.

Me: "GW never told you how 40K lore works!"
40K Fans: "We know enough! We know that the books are canon, and that they're a true representation of the 40K setting!"
Me: "No. GW has stated that there is no canon for 40K."
40K Fans: "No. That's not true. THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE!"
Me: "SEARCH YOUR FEELINGS, YOU KNOW IT TO BE TRUE!"
40K Fans: "NOOOOOOOOOO! Noooooooo.........."


It's even worse. At least Disney threw the SW Expanded Universe into an alternate canon known as Legends, which has things that are canon to it and things that aren't. Which means that SW Legends still has a defined structure of what is and isn't canon to it, even though it is no longer the mainline canon for Star Wars. 40K has no canon, as the authors from GW have attested:

"There is no canon. There are several hundred creators all adding to the melting pot of the IP."

Aaron Dembski-Bowden, co-author Horus Heresy series

"With Warhammer and Warhammer 40,000, the notion of canon is a fallacy. [...] Warhammer and Warhammer 40,000 exist as tens of thousands of overlapping realities in the imaginations of games developers, writers, readers and gamers. None of those interpretations is wrong."

Gav Thorpe, Lead Designer, Games Workshop

"It all stems from the assumption that there's a binding contract between author and reader to adhere to some nonexistent subjective construct or 'true' representation of the setting. There is no such contract, and no such objective truth."

Andy Hoare, Game Designer GW

It’s interesting you quote Aaron Dembski-Bowden and Gav Thorpe.
The former is a foaming-at-the-mouth hyper feminist SJW and the latter is more of the same, plus canonically killed every Squat in the galaxy (hence the term ‘squatted’).
Neither care for canon when it restricts what they can do with the IP. But they’re both fanatical about canon when it allows them to introduce their political beliefs, fetishes, and social justice agenda into the setting so it can’t be written out.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

It’s interesting you quote Aaron Dembski-Bowden and Gav Thorpe.
The former is a foaming-at-the-mouth hyper feminist SJW and the latter is more of the same, plus canonically killed every Squat in the galaxy (hence the term ‘squatted’).
Neither care for canon when it restricts what they can do with the IP. But they’re both fanatical about canon when it allows them to introduce their political beliefs, fetishes, and social justice agenda into the setting so it can’t be written out.

They're not the only ones. Marc Gascoigne talks about how unreliable 40K books and lore are:

"Keep in mind Warhammer and Warhammer 40,000 are worlds where half truths, lies, propaganda, politics, legends and myths exist. The absolute truth which is implied when you talk about "canonical background" will never be known because of this. Everything we know about these worlds is from the viewpoints of people in them which are as a result incomplete and even sometimes incorrect. The truth is mutable, debatable and lost as the victors write the history…

Here's our standard line: Yes it's all official, but remember that we're reporting back from a time where stories aren't always true, or at least 100% accurate. if it has the 40K logo on it, it exists in the 40K universe. Or it was a legend that may well have happened. Or a rumour that may or may not have any truth behind it. Let's put it another way: anything with a 40K logo on it is as official as any Codex... and at least as crammed full of rumours, distorted legends and half-truths.

I think the real problem for me, and I speak for no other, is that the topic as a "big question" doesn't matter. It's all as true as everything else, and all just as false/half-remembered/sort-of-true. The answer you are seeking is "Yes and no" or perhaps "Sometimes". And for me, that's the end of it. Now, ask us some specifics, eg can Black Templars spit acid and we can answer that one, and many others. But again note that answer may well be "sometimes" or "it varies" or "depends". But is it all true? Yes and no. Even though some of it is plainly contradictory? Yes and no. Do we deliberately contradict, retell with differences? Yes we do. Is the newer the stuff the truer it is? Yes and no. In some cases is it true that the older stuff is the truest? Yes and no. Maybe and sometimes. Depends and it varies.

It's a decaying universe without GPS and galaxy-wide communication, where precious facts are clung to long after they have been changed out of all recognition. Read A Canticle for Liebowitz by Walter M Miller, about monks toiling to hold onto facts in the aftermath of a nuclear war; that nails it for me. Sorry, too much splurge here. Not meant to sound stroppy. To attempt answer the initial question: What is GW's definition of canon? Perhaps we don't have one. Sometimes and maybe. Or perhaps we do and I'm not telling you."

Marc Gascoigne, former head and chief editor of the Black Library

Then you have Rick Priestley who openly talks about how 40K lore forgot its roots in parodying fascism and religious fanaticism:

"To me the background to 40K was always intended to be ironic. The fact that the Space Marines were lauded as heroes within Games Workshop always amused me, because they're brutal, but they're also completely self-deceiving. The whole idea of the Emperor is that you don't know whether he's alive or dead. The whole Imperium might be running on superstition. There's no guarantee that the Emperor is anything other than a corpse with a residual mental ability to direct spacecraft. It's got some parallels with religious beliefs and principles, and I think a lot of that got missed and overwritten."

“That’s exactly what happened”: Rick Priestley interview

There is a great article about the early Games Workshop over at Isegoria. I recommend this even if you aren’t especially a fan of the Warhammer universe. As an industry veteran of some decad…

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So there being no 40K canon and lore contradicting itself isn't anything new to 40K. Neither are agendas of politics, since the original intent of 40K lore was to be a parody of fascism and religious fanaticism, both of which was seen as self-deceiving by a lot of lefties.

 

[Newman's Lovechild]

Sheer laziness, that's what it is. They just can't be bothered to keep updating a canon bible.

When you say 'books', I assume you mean Black Library novels, not BRBs and codexes?

Lastly, Gav Thorpe SJW? Nooooo...

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Sheer laziness, that's what it is. They just can't be bothered to keep updating a canon bible.

When you say 'books', I assume you mean Black Library novels, not BRBs and codexes?

Lastly, Gav Thorpe SJW? Nooooo...

It includes codexes, because Marc Gascoigne mentions that Codexes are full of shit, too:

"Let's put it another way: anything with a 40K logo on it is as official as any Codex... and at least as crammed full of rumours, distorted legends and half-truths."

 

[Emperor Julian]

If you disregard the idea of canon you're punishing fans for paying attention. also the woke twitter posse needs to die badly, they're a liability even if you are pro lgbt since you're just going to cultivate resentement.

 

[HTTP Error 404]

TSR has gone completely dead silent on Twitter. Meanwhile, the rainbow haired retards are trying to claim they're selling stolen Valor patches now, because according to them this:

Is a military patch.

Also, Nick has finally noticed.

https://twitter.com/RekietaMedia/status/1411114704408170496

Also, beyond just trying to pretend that Ernie's a sexist for calling Meg -- a man pretending to be a woman who was trolling TSR to the point they begged him to stop -- disgusting, they're now going after him for...

TSR™ on Twitter

“@dobynsbc Do you often pick on people on the spectrum or just Ernie?”

web.archive.org

Being Autistic. Apparently.

Jesus christ.

 

[Corn Flakes]

TSR has gone completely dead silent on Twitter. Meanwhile, the rainbow haired retards are trying to claim they're selling stolen Valor patches now, because according to them this:

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Is a military patch.

Also, Nick has finally noticed.

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https://twitter.com/RekietaMedia/status/1411114704408170496

Also, beyond just trying to pretend that Ernie's a sexist for calling Meg -- a man pretending to be a woman who was trolling TSR to the point they begged him to stop -- disgusting, they're now going after him for...

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TSR™ on Twitter

“@dobynsbc Do you often pick on people on the spectrum or just Ernie?”

web.archive.org

Being Autistic. Apparently.

Jesus christ.

Oh, God. That's just pathetic. It's like watching an octogenarian with a cane trying to chase away a bunch of delinquents on his front lawn.

 

[Inquisitor_BadAss]

TSR has gone completely dead silent on Twitter. Meanwhile, the rainbow haired retards are trying to claim they're selling stolen Valor patches now, because according to them this:

View attachment 2315871

Is a military patch.

Also, Nick has finally noticed.

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https://twitter.com/RekietaMedia/status/1411114704408170496

Also, beyond just trying to pretend that Ernie's a sexist for calling Meg -- a man pretending to be a woman who was trolling TSR to the point they begged him to stop -- disgusting, they're now going after him for...

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TSR™ on Twitter

“@dobynsbc Do you often pick on people on the spectrum or just Ernie?”

web.archive.org

Being Autistic. Apparently.

Jesus christ.

Who are this fuckers trying to fool. They didn’t care about stolen valour or veterans before it’s just another stick to beat a dead horse with.

 

[HTTP Error 404]

Who are this fuckers trying to fool. They didn’t care about stolen valour or veterans before it’s just another stick to beat a dead horse with.

TSR. They're trying to fool TSR. And maybe the business contacts TSR has. It's amazing what a person can say when they literally stop caring about if things are logical, real, or what have you. They don't care that they're full of shit and fooling no one, they just want to do damage to the target the mob is attacking right now, and if it fools ENOUGH people or causing the TSR employees at least SOME damage, it's good enough.

I still don't have a solution for this other than a large package of thermite smuggled into Twitter's data center, in Minecraft.

 

[Corn Flakes]

TSR. They're trying to fool TSR. And maybe the business contacts TSR has. It's amazing what a person can say when they literally stop caring about if things are logical, real, or what have you. They don't care that they're full of shit and fooling no one, they just want to do damage to the target the mob is attacking right now, and if it fools ENOUGH people or causing the TSR employees at least SOME damage, it's good enough.

I still don't have a solution for this other than a large package of thermite smuggled into Twitter's data center, in Minecraft.

The solution is for TSR to stop taking bait like they're a retarded fish. Just look at this shit,

They're replying to speds with a fraction of their own followers. Every time they @ or reply to someone, they're drawing attention to the idiotic shit being flung their way. They should just ignore the controversy and sail on talking about their own product.

Also, they need to trim that "following" list. A corporate account shouldn't be following everybody that gives them a follow. This is such an amateur operation it hurts.

 

[anti SJW]

This is such an amateur operation it hurts.

Its like the older generation trying to do what all the cool, current generation is doing and failing. This version of TSR doesn't know how to handle social media as a company it seems.

 

[Dynamic]

Its like the older generation trying to do what all the cool, current generation is doing and failing. This version of TSR doesn't know how to handle social media as a company it seems.

They don't understand the people they're dealing with and have hired one of them to run the twitter account now. They thought common sense would win through on social media, they're lucky the account isn't banned.

you're forgetting that most HR/PR departments are either staffed by retards or "allies". which means once woketrannies start to dilate violently you either have people go "wtf is happening" and the first instinct is to appease the mob to minimize the PR shitflinging and not fuel the flames, thinking it will be the end of it, or people that are already involved and start shit behind the scenes - and since those companies are run by retards or boomers, they don't know or don't care; same reason they jump onto the whole idpol train in the first place because they think or are told there's a huge crowd of possible new customers that are just waiting for literal rainbow colored shit.
I wouldn't even go as far as calling most of them being cultists, they're are just powertripping assholes out for money and ego-stroking. it's the same as the blockwart of old or forum mod from a decade ago because it gives them power and "fame". if you are an uninteresting waste of space no one would look at twice and can't create anything of worth, what better way to make people notice you is get in their face backed by ideology and position?

the rest doesn't really care that much because as @Corn Flakes, me and some others pointed out RPGs are way to insular and independent for that. trying to get rid of old editions is the same as "reframing previous problematic works" like edited movies and books, putting them in control how and when stuff gets made and the sole arbiter what people will consume, but again running your own game only takes some personal effort, not a multi million dollar investment, and that's why they'll keep failing and will eventually in the end; you can only run a business ignoring your customers for so long - not saying wotc will go broke tomorrow, the main reason 5e sells is PR and mainstream appeal, and because it's easy to cut out the shit they put in, lore and crunch, but if you kick out all your competent staff it will have an effect in the long run and once things change they won't be able to adapt or simply keep up. you can see some of that effect in magic already.

it's all the same shit that happened before, but what none of them seems to understand is that the internet doesn't really forget, especially when you constantly scream loud and proud. even if they "win" they'll be the first to be lined up at a wall, if not it will still be the same outcome, either way this time they can't physically hide or flee once they get caught actually revolting or memory hole their involvement. it's dumb, but natural selection is a thing after all.

EDIT: clarified last paragraph

They're never going to leave tabletop companies because they're perfect jobs for troons and would be writers. The crowd Tumblr appeals to filtered into tabletop book writing since it's mass produced low quality writing most people ignore. It's games journalism for people living in their fantasy worlds. The isolation of tables for role players makes the average one passive to it or embracing it depending on their political views. If you can ignore the wheelchairs, you can ignore the bad fluff and still buy the books because the tables and new monsters are worth buying to you. That's the majority of the market and they will go along with it the same way Magic players and Warhammer players will. They're too loyal to their social circle and brand/identity so they will put up with anything. Has there been a company as hated as Games Workshop in a niche hobby survive as long as it has? It doesn't matter what they do as long as they print more Space Marines. No amount of anger or poor quality product touches them so they can hire as many troons to write the fluff and novels as they want. The fans will keep buying and make any excuse they need to justify it.

Tabletop geeks are like cultists, they find acceptance among the low IQ, the unwashed and the socially awkward. They will accept and tolerate others no matter how bad they act because they're afraid of losing their social group. Some of them will turn prison gay for the more passable troons if they think they can't get a girlfriend any other way. The community won't gate keep to protect themselves and you can't boycott a commercial hobby. Even if your group moves on to something fresh, there is always someone else coming in to replace you. Only low quality products can cause a mass exodus and Games Workshop prove time and time again that's not enough for tabletop geeks to kick the habit.

If you disregard the idea of canon you're punishing fans for paying attention. also the woke twitter posse needs to die badly, they're a liability even if you are pro lgbt since you're just going to cultivate resentement.

There's nothing wrong with retconning and throwing out old lore if it serves a purpose. You shouldn't be held to ransom by a wiki page full of single page articles from 1983 the writer never intended to be a serious part of the universe. It's the difference between the letter of the law and the spirit of the law. It's important to follow the spirit of the universe not the law of the universe.

The twitter hate mob is the same thing many people face in real life while interacting with sexual freaks. Twitter exposed how they act in public in a way which could be recorded. There is nothing new on Twitter, old hands didn't see during the 80/90/00s.

 

[I'mma real anime gurl]

Treat the mob like animals and suddenly you won't have shit like this.

 

[knightlautrec]

The solution is for TSR to stop taking bait like they're a retarded fish. Just look at this shit,

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They're replying to speds with a fraction of their own followers. Every time they @ or reply to someone, they're drawing attention to the idiotic shit being flung their way. They should just ignore the controversy and sail on talking about their own product.

Also, they need to trim that "following" list. A corporate account shouldn't be following everybody that gives them a follow. This is such an amateur operation it hurts.

It's always a mind trip seeing people I actually know here. The they/them going after TSR is one of the dudes who made The Gamers movies which also has a few jokes about gatekeeping posers. I guess he has changed his tune and is a They/Them? Lol. He's just an old white dude in his 40s. Come on now. Who is he fooling? I guess he realised in the changing landscape of TTRP white dudes don't get listened to and had to shift to being non binary for the oppression points.

 

[Dynamic]

Treat the mob like animals and suddenly you won't have shit like this.

The mob has the backing of Master card, and Google. Most online traffic comes from the first page of Google's search engine, if you're black listed you will lose almost all of your digital traffic. Master Card will pressure Paypal and other payment services into dropping you. Digital stores dropping you and being black listed from taking payments is a bad way to run a business. You can ignore the mob on social media, but some of the mob has connections. Services like Patreon use SJWs to write their terms of service and will cut you off when they see a twitter mob being ineffective.

It's always a mind trip seeing people I actually know here. The they/them going after TSR is one of the dudes who made The Gamers movies which also has a few jokes about gatekeeping posers. I guess he has changed his tune and is a They/Them? Lol. He's just an old white dude in his 40s. Come on now. Who is he fooling? I guess he realised in the changing landscape of TTRP white dudes don't get listened to and had to shift to being non binary for the oppression points.

They / them is like saying you're depressed on Myspace isn't it? Update your profile and you're special just like everyone else.

 

[BlazikenLover]

So I kept lurking r/dndnext and is mostly really boring threads with basic bitch discussions for what I assume is to farm upvotes. However this thread (Archive) caught my attention.
From what I understand the OP used a lot of worlds to ask "why is everyone against rape in tabletop RPGs? As long as everyone consents it should be good", some of the replies are just wow
Trying to justify how murder is ok since death is inevitable and (this one I agree with) "we will be killing lots of things in the game anyways" but racism and rape are the worst things ever.



And then there's this guy who jumped at OPs for only replying to people he agreed with.


Thinking about it is a rather boring thread but I can't help it shows two things:
1) How awful reddit is for discussing anything, since people will just nod in agreement at the popular opinion
2) A lot of words and time for something can be avoided by simply talking to your damn players: "Hey guys I'm gonna run tournament of rapists, are you okay with darker themes?"

I recall that 7 or so years ago, when the topic of rape in TTRPGs came up it was mostly about that guys, magical realm and what seemed to be the most common one: using it as cheap drama. Never about trigger warnings or the morality of bringing up such topics.
I knew TTRPGs, specially D&D, were being invaded by these types for a long time now yet it feels like for the past 2-3 years it accelerated tremendously of which I blame WOTC going on full on pandering mode after one too many PR nightmares.

 

[EnemyStand]

So I kept lurking r/dndnext and is mostly really boring threads with basic bitch discussions for what I assume is to farm upvotes. However this thread (Archive) caught my attention.
From what I understand the OP used a lot of worlds to ask "why is everyone against rape in tabletop RPGs? As long as everyone consents it should be good", some of the replies are just wow
Trying to justify how murder is ok since death is inevitable and (this one I agree with) "we will be killing lots of things in the game anyways" but racism and rape are the worst things ever.

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And then there's this guy who jumped at OPs for only replying to people he agreed with.
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Thinking about it is a rather boring thread but I can't help it shows two things:
1) How awful reddit is for discussing anything, since people will just nod in agreement at the popular opinion
2) A lot of words and time for something can be avoided by simply talking to your damn players: "Hey guys I'm gonna run tournament of rapists, are you okay with darker themes?"

I recall that 7 or so years ago, when the topic of rape in TTRPGs came up it was mostly about that guys, magical realm and what seemed to be the most common one: using it as cheap drama. Never about trigger warnings or the morality of bringing up such topics.
I knew TTRPGs, specially D&D, were being invaded by these types for a long time now yet it feels like for the past 2-3 years it accelerated tremendously of which I blame WOTC going on full on pandering mode after one too many PR nightmares.

Good lord. I hate rape themes in RPGs directed at PCs because in my experience it was never handled well. It was always treated like a joke like "Oh, the monk with the vow of chastity got raped, hahahaha so funneh!" So yeah, I'm against raping PCs. It's been handled better with NPCs, but when every single NPC you're supposed to sympathize with is a rape victim, it gets old. As for racism, anyone who can't handle an elf being called a knife-eared dandelion eater or a dwarf being called a rock-fucking stunty needs to get over themselves.