Tabletop Roleplaying Games (D&D, Pathfinder, CoC, ETC.)

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So, so many executives do not know this. It's depressing how many people don't know this, really.
Yeah but why improve current products and work on organic growth piggybacking on positive buzz and popularity stemming from said improvements when you can use that fancy MBA to ensure that every quarter number go up at all costs.

Note that number may or may not go up but whatever, I'll take my bonus and golden parachute thank you very much.
 
I read the first three dragonlance books as a kid and enjoyed them. I didn't know they were considered terrible until recently. What's so bad about them?

They're cheesy stories and very much read like a narration of somebody's D&D campaign, because that's what they are. However, when compared to other product tie-in novels, they're quite good.
 
I can't get over how bad modern RPG art is, especially compared to art of yesteryear.
I think a lot of it has to do with the death of using water colors that happened during the 1990s. Water color I've noticed adds an ethereal or a timeless element to the work when done well enough. Also there is less reference to actual models and designs, even with diverse sources in mind. Instead, they just template off of a copy of a previous piece of art made for another fantasy.

Also don't help that companies cheap out on artists nowadays.
 
They're cheesy stories and very much read like a narration of somebody's D&D campaign, because that's what they are. However, when compared to other product tie-in novels, they're quite good.
If you want to read a novelization of someone’s D&D campaign Raymond E Feist would like a word.
 
I think a lot of it has to do with the death of using water colors that happened during the 1990s. Water color I've noticed adds an ethereal or a timeless element to the work when done well enough. Also there is less reference to actual models and designs, even with diverse sources in mind. Instead, they just template off of a copy of a previous piece of art made for another fantasy.

Also don't help that companies cheap out on artists nowadays.
That's what sours modern art for me the most, desings of armours, weapons and clothing too often look like they're made of plastic, and clothing is too often looking too modern or out of place, Pathfinder being my main exposure to it. Old art may often look cheesy but it has certain weight to it. What even created demand/trend for all this plastic? World of Warcraft?

Also, modern artwork from the meme is pretty terrible on its own, characters look like they were pasted on background.
Seriously though, I like a modern RPG art. What damages it is publisher guidelines, what is chosen to commission, and to a lesser degree fan demands. Publisher guidelines (ie. wokeshit) need no explanation in this thread, and the fan demands for "realism" I just joked about, but when it comes to weird choices of what to commission I immediately think of 5e Eberron
I like realism, except my idea of realism is authentic looking equipment and characters that don't look like supermodels or tumblrinas, so I imagine it's a bit different than your average wokie's perception of it.
 
I like realism, except my idea of realism is authentic looking equipment and characters that don't look like supermodels or tumblrinas, so I imagine it's a bit different than your average wokie's perception of it.
most women still want to be attractive tho, that's the whole point of makeup existing. ofc a tomboy warrior won't spend an hour each morning getting caked up, but still put at least some effort in her looks. that doesn't mean 10/10 supermodel, but still "conventionally attractive" however you want to define that. but woketards can't even manage that. and if you go full make-believe in a RPG or whatever, they absolutely gonna want to look 10/10 as their self-insert.

doesn't help that a lot of mediums either are shit for looking female (take space marines for example, to have a proper "female marine" you need exaggerated features to make it work at that size), or they're too lazy and go with a simple face scan and "keeping it authentic" even tho in-engine it looks like absolute shit (basically most modern AAA sony movie games + clones).
I'm also convinced part of it is that some of it simple don't have a realistic reference. just like your average libtard won't be able to properly model guns (since they're evil) he won't have any concept how they work the way they do and why. apply that to armor, women or life and it suddenly all makes sense.
 
most women still want to be attractive tho, that's the whole point of makeup existing. ofc a tomboy warrior won't spend an hour each morning getting caked up, but still put at least some effort in her looks. that doesn't mean 10/10 supermodel, but still "conventionally attractive" however you want to define that. but woketards can't even manage that. and if you go full make-believe in a RPG or whatever, they absolutely gonna want to look 10/10 as their self-insert.
It's personal taste, really, while steel thongs for gals and spiky deathtraps for guys have certain charm, I'm a sucker for more grounded, believable designs.
I'm fully aware women tend to make perfect self inserts in games, and that's also part of what baffles me with these ugly design so popular among wokies. Like, for whom do they even make these? Tumblrinas with self esteem issues?
doesn't help that a lot of mediums either are shit for looking female (take space marines for example, to have a proper "female marine" you need exaggerated features to make it work at that size), or they're too lazy and go with a simple face scan and "keeping it authentic" even tho in-engine it looks like absolute shit (basically most modern AAA sony movie games + clones).
Yeah, these scans are awful. Helps that I rarely play AAA but let's not derail tabletop topic into vidya.
I'm also convinced part of it is that some of it simple don't have a realistic reference. just like your average libtard won't be able to properly model guns (since they're evil) he won't have any concept how they work the way they do and why. apply that to armor, women or life and it suddenly all makes sense.
It's possible. If studded leather origin story is true, there's even precedent. Except Gygax and company did it in 1970s and their only references were whatever books they managed to grab. Today, with how little time it takes to find info on the internet, not to mention countless reenactors, many of whom would likely act as consultants for scraps if not outright free, there's not really any excuse anymore.
The bit about women/life is interesting one, and I never thought about it this way. But I'm not sure if it is correct answer, seeing how many franchises ran by writers who used to be able to write good characters took a nosedive within mere few years.
 
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it's one of those "come for crunch, disregard the lore" systems. doesn't help that compared to RPGs there aren't that many alternatives that hit the right spot and are "ok" to support (large part of the industry is pozzed af, because you're not even allowed to have a dissenting voice).
How is this meme even about WH40K which literally has a cult of depraved sex perverts?
 
How is this meme even about WH40K which literally has a cult of depraved sex perverts?
Warhammer has multiple cults of depraved sex pests. WH40K has millions of them even if more than a few go back to the same source which admittedly was fucked into existence by the most top tier degenerates the setting saw.

However in 40K the response "purge them with fire and violence" to that shit is the official policy of the main human faction. It'd be like if the current A&N thread about whatever country is switching from chemical castrations to surgical ones mandated that those be done using a six foot chainsaw that was on fire to both remove the genitals and lobotomise the patient without exiting the body between the two steps.
 
like, for whom do they even make these? Tumblrinas with self esteem issues?
might be a self-fullfilling purity spiral. no one wants to be the chud proposing "unrealistic" changes, especially if you're a male, and all the DIE woman won't propose it either or block it so the game isn't sold via sexism and attracts the problematic male gaze. it's not about being attractive anymore but "safe".

The bit about women/life is interesting one, and I never thought about it this way. But I'm not sure if it is correct answer, seeing how many franchises ran by writers who used to be able to write good characters took a nosedive within mere few years.
those are not your average libtards tho, like the ones growing up in the suburbs, gone to college and then got hired into a writers room, especially if they're some kind of minority.
most of the oldschool progressives by now have denounced their old ways to not get canceled and keep their career (unless you're an real oldfag who can afford to not give a fuck anymore). or maybe the good characters happened by accident to sell shit, and now that they drank the koolaid they can write what they always wanted. or it's lazyness riding the woke-wave for some easy shekels, once it's over they can just shit on it along with everyone else, same way they shit on their old works now. most people are opportunists, more so if their livelihood depends on it, and especially if it gives them even a tiny bit of power and the feeling of being important.
 
It's personal taste, really, while steel thongs for gals and spiky deathtraps for guys have certain charm, I'm a sucker for more grounded, believable designs.
I'm in the chainmail bikini fan club. The whole "ugly mud farmer who dies at first level to a rat bite" really grates. There are some games that can benefit, but I question how many people really play that at their DnD table.

I'm fully aware women tend to make perfect self inserts in games, and that's also part of what baffles me with these ugly design so popular among wokies. Like, for whom do they even make these? Tumblrinas with self esteem issues?
Are you new to this? I'll give a quick explanation just in case.

Yes, it is baffling. Yes, it is written for Tumblrinas with self esteem issues. But the ugly character isn't to make them feel better, it's to make the people they hate feel worse.

The bit about women/life is interesting one, and I never thought about it this way. But I'm not sure if it is correct answer, seeing how many franchises ran by writers who used to be able to write good characters took a nosedive within mere few years.
Because they aren't the original writers. And when it is it's because the put politics and virtue signaling above good writing.

Warhammer has multiple cults of depraved sex pests.
I was once told Dark Eldar are the result of Eldar having an orgy so big and depraved a dark god was formed. No idea how true that it.
 
I was once told Dark Eldar are the result of Eldar having an orgy so big and depraved a dark god was formed. No idea how true that it.
Completely true. The Eldar became so licentious, brutal, and depraved that they accidentally birthed Slaanesh, the Chaos god of excess, who consumed billions of Eldar and killed almost their entire pantheon, destroying their empire and screwing the rest of the galaxy in the process. The Dark Eldar didn't change a bit afterward, it's just that they have to hide in an alternate dimension and constantly torturefuckrapemurder other sentient beings so that Slaanesh eats those souls instead of theirs.
 
But yet Slaanesh is a thing.
Yep, it's a big universe with a finite amount of purging that can be carried out.
I was once told Dark Eldar are the result of Eldar having an orgy so big and depraved a dark god was formed. No idea how true that it.
Kind of. The Elder did fuck the aforementioned Slaanesh into existence at which point the mast majority of their race ended up devoured as part of the assorted chaos unleashed by its existence/deliberately caused by its arrival. The survivors split into those pursuing vastly different lifestyles from those that had gotten the species that way (standard Eldar, Harlequins and others) whereas the Dark Eldar are the ones that sat in the ruins of their shattered society with the gnawing awareness that their souls were bound for a very unpleasant place on death and the only way of avoiding that was inflicting the sort of horror on everyone that was not them that was even more creative than the shit that spawned a malevolent deity in the first place. As the above poster noted.
 
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I'm fully aware women tend to make perfect self inserts in games, and that's also part of what baffles me with these ugly design so popular among wokies. Like, for whom do they even make these? Tumblrinas with self esteem issues?

They are made to please ideological commissars in the game industry, including the game media. Making a woman look good is problematic. Who's supposed to be looking at her, chud? Are you saying you made a woman exist solely to please men? Ugh. This is why women can't get ahead in society!
 
I'm in the chainmail bikini fan club. The whole "ugly mud farmer who dies at first level to a rat bite" really grates. There are some games that can benefit, but I question how many people really play that at their DnD table.
Think Larry Elmore vs Pathfinder. Elmore took many artistic liberties yet when you look at armors and weapons from his artworks, they have certain weight behind them, they look like something you could use or wear. On the other hand, Pathfinder stuff mostly looks like something made for low quality cosplay, sometimes it's hard to figure out how are characters supposed to move in their clothing/armor, or even how would it look like outside of that specific pose, while weapons look like rubber toys.
Are you new to this? I'll give a quick explanation just in case.
I'm fairly new to TTRPGs, I've been only playing for three or so years, and beyond one Pathfinder 2e one shot only last month I tried something different than Pathfinder 1e (Blades in the Dark). Most of my nerd experience comes from vidya so similar issue with wokeness.
Yes, it is baffling. Yes, it is written for Tumblrinas with self esteem issues. But the ugly character isn't to make them feel better, it's to make the people they hate feel worse.
They are made to please ideological commissars in the game industry, including the game media. Making a woman look good is problematic. Who's supposed to be looking at her, chud? Are you saying you made a woman exist solely to please men? Ugh. This is why women can't get ahead in society!
You are both right, of course, it's just so hopelessly stupid, part of me tries to rationalize it.
Because they aren't the original writers. And when it is it's because the put politics and virtue signaling above good writing.
I had Dragon Age in mind, David Gaider was lead writer for DAO/DA2/DAI yet it's night and day, and only five years between release of DAO and DAI. There's massive decline even in two years it took them to release DA2.
those are not your average libtards tho, like the ones growing up in the suburbs, gone to college and then got hired into a writers room, especially if they're some kind of minority.
most of the oldschool progressives by now have denounced their old ways to not get canceled and keep their career (unless you're an real oldfag who can afford to not give a fuck anymore). or maybe the good characters happened by accident to sell shit, and now that they drank the koolaid they can write what they always wanted. or it's lazyness riding the woke-wave for some easy shekels, once it's over they can just shit on it along with everyone else, same way they shit on their old works now. most people are opportunists, more so if their livelihood depends on it, and especially if it gives them even a tiny bit of power and the feeling of being important.
Yeah, opportunism is simple and elegant answer to the above point I made.
 
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You mean Wayne Reynolds. What was a bold, different look in 2003 has degenerated into self-parody. Even his spikes have spikes now. He did a lot of D&D art, too.
I used Elmore's art as example of good fantasy artwork and Pathfinder's as bad, I couldn't be bothered to check who the fuck makes Pathfinder crap, at least now I know who's responsible.

Edited because I checked his other art.
How the hell is it possible for him to simultaneously be author of this:
and this:
Like, how? How? If you told me it's the same guy, I would never believe it.
 
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On the other hand, Pathfinder stuff mostly looks like something made for low quality cosplay
While it is largely not great, there are a few gems in the Pozzo dumpsterfire.
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I had Dragon Age in mind, David Gaider was lead writer for DAO/DA2/DAI yet it's night and day, and only five years between release of DAO and DAI. There's massive decline even in two years it took them to release DA2.
he was always kind of a twat tho. I think another aspect to the "not as shit in the past" is that they had tardwranglers forcing them to be less retarded. there's even examples for it with that dude from ubisoft (who later got canceled of course) enforcing white male protags for sales, or that exec from microsoft preventing fable 2 from having a black women on the cover.

Like, how? How? If you told me it's the same guy, I would never believe it.
the answer is in the links. one is historical art, the other "fantasy" art. so some liberties apply - like space marine captains having so much faith in the emperor they don't need helmets...
 
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