Taliban offensive of 2021 and collapse of Afghan government.

[MG-34]

How exactly is this outcome Biden's fault, first and foremost? 20 years of failure led up to this moment

He was VP for 8 of them and a lauded career politician.

 

[MrJokerRager]

How exactly is this outcome Biden's fault, first and foremost? 20 years of failure led up to this moment

Biden was VP during the Obama era but it's wasn't his call.

However when made President, he tore up the agreement made with the Taliban, scrapped a withdrawal plan that Trump setup on how it soul d be done, delays the withdrawal to 9/11 unilaterally then a while ago orders troops to leave Bagram in the middle of night then lies to the public about how fast the Taliban were taking over Afghanistan and then acts like a cold hearted cunt over the current shitshow.

Everyone knew the Taliban would take over Afghanistan. That is not Joe Biden's fault. Joe Biden's fault us fucking up a proper and smooth withdrawal. Then blames everyone else except himself and angers his own allies in the process.

 

[Ghostse]

So we trained a fighting force of 300,000 Afghani men with good weapons and gear and training programs and paid them money. Then it turned out, were disloyal at the first potential opportunity and gave over everything the US put in arm's reach to their Taliban cousin and his entourage.

Now, we're supposed to believe there is a group of 100,000 Afghan civilians who were "working for us" as well, and that because they've done so well "working for us" and being trained by us, we should definitely fly them all back to our nice developed nations.

I'm sure none of these guys are doublecrossers more loyal to their local warlord than the US government. All the doublecrossers were the ones we gave guns to. The ones we didn't give guns to before are honest, hardworking people who would never betray us.

Small point of order: Most of them had not been paid since March, with various levels of government just pocketing the cash instead. They probably wouldn't have performed much better if they had been paid, but might have at least made the Taliban convoy stop a couple of times.

 

[Delta Integrale]

Wouldn't that be a little risky for PR just in case some other country decides to go in and get some of their people and happens to liberate some americans while they were doing that?

I think we're already past the point of PR mattering, at least internally in the US. Even if the PR is bad, which it already is, who is going to hold the leadership accountable? Everyone blames someone else and as soon as the media cycle is done, people stop caring.

As other users have mentioned in this thread, there's probably going to be a few (unelected) fall guys that will either get thrown under the bus or get bribed/work out an agreement to take one for the team in exchange for a comfy/nondescript position elsewhere. Nothing really changes and it's only a matter of time before it happens again with something else.

 

[MG-34]

Something really stinks. We have tons of Airlift capability in the region, greater capacity than most countries entire Air Forces yet we aren't generating non stop missions to get our staff out of there and SIVs. As far as I know only one C17 took off. What the fuck is happening? Does the Biden administration just not want to get people out of there? If so why did they dump off thousands of airborne/air assault at the airport? Considering the cell phone camera footage I think the ground commander doesn't know what he's doing. They may have picked a token minority or faggot in an attempt to get a good PR story going who started panicking and fucking up to the point the NCOs on the ground are trying to make due and there's no cohesion.

 

[Ghostse]

Wouldn't that be a little risky for PR just in case some other country decides to go in and get some of their people and happens to liberate some americans while they were doing that?

Who cares about PR when you own the media? Anything that runs contrary to the CNN narrative is racist nazi Fake News.

 

[Astro Galactic Megalul]

I think I cracked the globohomo plan for Afghanistan. Tinfoil hat on:

They're just securing future elections in US. Activists and politicians are talking about importing millions of Afghans, which will be housed using taxpayer and Soros* money. This could be connected to Wall Street buying out houses in US, namely BlackRock. You buy up the housing and then rent it to the state at the extra rate to house "refugees". Not only they're making money, but also create future voters that would help to keep their people in the office for generations to come.
Rapefugees from the Middle East are the new niggers, now that latter started realizing that they're being used.
The chaos could be on purpose, because in the mess it's hard to keep track of everything, and it helps to manipulate public using emotions.

How deep the rabbit hole goes?

 

[Ghostse]

Something really stinks. We have tons of Airlift capability in the region, greater capacity than most countries entire Air Forces yet we aren't generating non stop missions to get our staff out of there and SIVs. As far as I know only one C17 took off. What the fuck is happening? Does the Biden administration just not want to get people out of there? If so why did they dump off thousands of airborne/air assault at the airport? Considering the cell phone camera footage I think the ground commander doesn't know what he's doing. They may have picked a token minority or faggot in an attempt to get a good PR story going who started panicking and fucking up to the point the NCOs on the ground are trying to make due and there's no cohesion.

A C17 is very vulnerable on take off and landing. The entire country is owned by the Taliban, and there are also rogue former government forces.

So far, the Taliban have been keeping a tight reign on their "core" forces - no attacks on foreigners, no going wild on the civilians, they are being very disciplined and the Taliban leadership is communicating.
But there is no one Taliban. There are a bunch of warlords. The Taliban have clearly put the most level-headed, least kill all infidels commanders and troops in Kabul. who the fuck knows who is in charge - if anyone - out in the boonies.

So you land a C17 on an improvised landing strip. Load it up. Send it up, and it gets MANPAD'ed or just Soviet AA'ed.
Now what, smart guy?

In a very real sense they should have tanks and MRAPS and thunderrun everyone out to China, but that's got its own level of hell. You could try another *Stan, but they are not going to want to piss off the new political force and they are not going to want Afghans in their borders.

There are other geopolitical calculations to consider (principally about people putting their feet on your territory and you now having responsibility for them even if they aren't your citizens) but I don't feel like getting into them.

 

[Aidan]

How exactly is this outcome Biden's fault, first and foremost? 20 years of failure led up to this moment

The problem isn't withdrawal from Afghanistan. A month ago we were told confidently that everything was fine and the post-Trump plans for Afghanistan were as good as ever.
This turns out to be embarrassingly false and where is Biden? All weekend he lays low, even his social media didn't acknowledge what was going on. Then official word is Biden will speak on it Wednesday (3 days later), for a total of 5 days of not talking. They caved and threw him before a podium on Monday and he blamed everyone but himself while simultaneously saying the buck stops with him.
He could barely read the teleprompter on top of it all.

Here we are, just 5 days into this, and thousands of foreign nationals are stuck in a Taliban-controlled Afghanistan and the current American government focus is on the usual social justice bullshit with the current administration sending the circus to perform in front of the press while the president says this is as good as it gets.
We're at the mercy of the Taliban for getting over 10,000 Americans home.

All of this because Biden and the Democrats wanted to look cool by pulling out on the 20th anniversary of 9/11. It's Biden and his associates' fault 100% that it's such a clusterfuck and none of them want to own up to any of it.

 

[Montalbane]

This thread is dedicated to the brave muhjadeen fighters of Afghanistan.

No, but really this is wonderful.
American exceptionalism at it's finest.
Can't wait to see the cope, seething ans dilating from the type of american who thumps his chest at anything is country does as if he had anything to do with it.
And before you call me a fag or something... My country has both arid desert-like mountains and rice fields.
If you invade us it will be like vietnamistan on steroids.

 

[Krokodil Overdose]

This thread is dedicated to the brave muhjadeen fighters of Afghanistan.

No, but really this is wonderful.
American exceptionalism at it's finest.
Can't wait to see the cope, seething ans dilating from the type of american who thumps his chest at anything is country does as if he had anything to do with it.

Outside of a few ultras, those guys are basically extinct. Stolen elections, Stasi tactics against peaceful protests, and breathtaking retardation from the leadership class combined with falling living standards take the mickey out of all but the most devoted patriotards.

And before you call me a fag or something... My country has both arid desert-like mountains and rice fields.
If you invade us it will be like vietnamistan on steroids.

Yes, I'm sure you're very important.

 

[MG-34]

A C17 is very vulnerable on take off and landing. The entire country is owned by the Taliban, and there are also rogue former government forces.

So far, the Taliban have been keeping a tight reign on their "core" forces - no attacks on foreigners, no going wild on the civilians, they are being very disciplined and the Taliban leadership is communicating.
But there is no one Taliban. There are a bunch of warlords. The Taliban have clearly put the most level-headed, least kill all infidels commanders and troops in Kabul. who the fuck knows who is in charge - if anyone - out in the boonies.

So you land a C17 on an improvised landing strip. Load it up. Send it up, and it gets MANPAD'ed or just Soviet AA'ed.
Now what, smart guy?

In a very real sense they should have tanks and MRAPS and thunderrun everyone out to China, but that's got its own level of hell. You could try another *Stan, but they are not going to want to piss off the new political force and they are not going to want Afghans in their borders.

There are other geopolitical calculations to consider (principally about people putting their feet on your territory and you now having responsibility for them even if they aren't your citizens) but I don't feel like getting into them.

Other countries are sending aircraft in and out. We also still have a fuck ton of C-130s are designed to take off and land on improvised runways using a short distance. Kabul Airport wasn't a FOB. It has a pretty big runway. As for getting AA, the Soviets lost so many air assets because they initially didn't bother installing countermeasures because they weren't expecting too many guided missiles. I remember flying into KAF and Bagram and the flight engineers manned chaff and flare dispensers while flying in and out of Afghanistan. I don't think we left any AA for the ANA and I don't recall seeing any shikas, gaskins or any Soviet era SHORAD that might have survived from the DAR soviet puppet state outside of some 14.5 machineguns. Allegedly they have a Division's worth of Combat Arms, that's enough if properly led to secure the airfield and reach out past the SAM footprint (The minimum effective distance to fire a MANPAD at a an Aircraft taking off or landing at the runway).

As for leaving on ground, that would be stupid. Military vehicles eat up too much gas, the roads in Afghanistan are unreliable and lastly when the Soviet Army did that (with the assets already in place) they still lost 525 men.

 

[Niggernerd]

Who cares about PR when you own the media? Anything that runs contrary to the CNN narrative is racist nazi Fake News.

Theres a mainstream trump media machine that always stops the true jounalist and tells lies!!!
Apparently the 1 Fox news equals the other 20-30 outlets that sucks the dems off.

 

[stakenifes]

Is there any evidence of these 5000-6000 whatever troops that were deployed to Afghanistan actually making it in? I haven't heard any news on that since it was announced?

 

[Richardface]

If only someone somewhere had figured out how to get hostages taken by islamofasicsts released https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1986-01-07-mn-13892-story.html

 

[Ghostse]

Other countries are sending aircraft in and out. We also still have a fuck ton of C-130s are designed to take off and land on improvised runways using a short distance. Kabul Airport wasn't a FOB. It has a pretty big runway. As for getting AA, the Soviets lost so many air assets because they initially didn't bother installing countermeasures because they weren't expecting too many guided missiles. I remember flying into KAF and Bagram and the flight engineers manned chaff and flare dispensers while flying in and out of Afghanistan. I don't think we left any AA for the ANA and I don't recall seeing any shikas, gaskins or any Soviet era SHORAD that might have survived from the DAR soviet puppet state outside of some 14.5 machineguns. Allegedly they have a Division's worth of Combat Arms, that's enough if properly led to secure the airfield and reach out past the SAM footprint (The minimum effective distance to fire a MANPAD at a an Aircraft taking off or landing at the runway).

As for leaving on ground, that would be stupid. Military vehicles eat up too much gas, the roads in Afghanistan are unreliable and lastly when the Soviet Army did that (with the assets already in place) they still lost 525 men.

We aren't using Kabul Airport and Bagram to it capacity because Kabul is straight fucked. KAF is civilian and not military which means they have to share. They could land a bunch of aircraft and get denied permission to take off. The Taliban also occupy the city and the high ground.

Again, Taliban is currently rolling super based (if you aren't Afghani) but there is no guarantee that it stays that way. They could shift on a dime, especially if there 10,000 US citizens to jihad. You don't want to make a complete shit show even worse by seeing one of the transports go down.

Its one thing for a C-130 to take some shit from the ground when its loaded with soldiers, its another when its a civilian. The correct, internationally approved way is to use Civilian air transport infrastructure to move civilians, and they are probably trying that first. My guess is the people on the flights out are 10% 'high priority' transport and the rest is just human chaff to keep them from getting outted.

The other question is "where are you taking them". Even if you just took over both airfields, declared the airspace ours, and set up Iron Dome all over the flight pattern, once you have the people in the air you've got to take them somewhere.

Norwegian troops battle Taliban gunman in siege at luxury Kabul hotel

Gunmen stormed a luxury hotel in Kabul and killed at least six people including a Ukrainian, sparking a 12-hour battle with Afghan forces backed by Norwegian troops that left terrified guests scrambling to escape.

www.thelocal.no

From 2018 my dude.

You had me exited for a moment that things were about to hit the next stage.

 

[ZMOT]

This article is based around one guy's interpretation of events, one that came into his position right as the details had been hammered out and the cease fire agreement had been negotiated until May. I don't deny that there was probably a hope that they could get the Republic to power share with the Taliban because of the pullout but this was not possible, the Taliban already had something near 60-70% of the country under their control and all of the major highways were contested or fully controlled by Taliban forces. The war had effectively been lost somewhere between 2015-2017 based off maps showing control of this or that region. Miller states that it goal was to keep a force in the country after the government ended up being dominated by the Taliban 70-30%, this is Chernobyl TV series level of delusional and shows that these people are abject morons divorced from reality. I also question his interpretation because Trump had also ordered the removal of troops from Somalia back during the summer as well and had been talking about draw downs and departures his entire administration, Afghanistan was perpetually delayed because of the attempt for that power sharing agreement before pivoting to the ceasefire during pullout.

I stopped reading when the "TRUMP TOTALLY DID" headline turned into the usual "could've/would've". that kind of low effort "journalism" is slowly making me MATI, especially since no ever calls that shit out.

Like it's a stupid fucking example but that Genshin impact game that's huge right now doesn't allow players to mention hong kong or taiwan. And since china's gaining control of other games companies like epic, i think it's totally possible for it to spread beyond to social media or anywhere else they feel they can get a hold.

you also can't say stalin, hitler and dick. does that mean they're communist nazi penises? it's pretty much the same filter list almost every game has used for decades (with some chinese flavor on top), because they simply don't want you to talk about that shit at all. btw you can still call someone a fag, just saying.
and a filter means fuck all, call someone a nigger on twitter and see what happens.

calm tf down, sometimes a videogame is just a videogame.

 

[Astro Galactic Megalul]

Honestly tired of hearing of this "endless war" BS. There hasn't been American casualties for over a year if I'm not mistaken, US provided logistical and recon support that kept ANA forces together. Without that their forces collapsed, obviously.
It's not a "war" as people understand it, the whole point was to keep the fucking region in check so that these motherfuckers wouldn't mount another 9/11 and the like.
Regardless, US are not obligated to keep their government functioning, or building a nation, that much is true. Yet Biden clearly fucked it up - according to Trump's deal, it was supposed to be done months ago. For some reason they just kept waiting for something instead of moving people out, and Taliban might've seen it as US not honoring the existing agreement and decided to make their move to take over the country.
US had time to do this properly, but globohomo didn't want to pull out. What we're seeing now is US forces actually fleeing.

 

[Ghostse]

you also can't say stalin, hitler and dick. does that mean they're communist nazi penises? it's pretty much the same filter list almost every game has used for decades (with some chinese flavor on top), because they simply don't want you to talk about that shit at all. btw you can still call someone a fag, just saying.
and a filter means fuck all, call someone a nigger on twitter and see what happens.

calm tf down, sometimes a videogame is just a videogame.

Again, you forget the part where the NBA had to grovel their CCP masters because someone expressed mild support for democracy in hong kong. This while the NBA was allowing players to disrespect the nation that allows them to earn millions chasing a ball because it was important players be able to make political statements (so long as they don't offend the communist government of another country)

Given that, I don't think the chinks mandating Party Approved Speech in games made by companies they have significant investment in is tinfoil territory at all.

 

[Opticana]

The last Jew Afghani has Jew journos upset because he Jews them out of money/alcohol in exchange for their Jew interviews:

It wasn’t the first time Simantov had tried to extort someone seeking to contact him. “I don’t go under 200 dollars,” one journalist from a German news organization reported him as saying in 2015. Another account from last year has Simantov demanding $500 from an Israeli journalist for an interview, finally settling on $100.

Amie Ferris-Rotman, a British-Jewish journalist who used to work in Afghanistan, told the Jewish Telegraphic Agency, “He really liked alcohol, and used to insist journalists who wanted to interview him bring some.”

He also could face imprisonment if he flees to Israel for refusing to divorce his wife.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/afgha...l-wont-leave-the-country-or-divorce-his-wife/