Disaster Taliban open to cooperation with Germany on deporting Afghans - Germany against working with Taliban over deporting violent offenders

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Afghanistan's Taliban rulers said on Friday they are open to cooperating with the German government on the deportation of Afghan criminals back to their home country.

German Chancellor Olaf Scholz said on Thursday that he wanted to see the swift deportation of criminals back to countries deemed unsafe by the government in Berlin, including Afghanistan and Syria.

The initiative comes after outrage was triggered by the recent killing of a police officer by an Afghan national. The attack took place at a rally held by an anti-Islam group in the western city of Mannheim.

"Such criminals should be deported - even if they come from Syria and Afghanistan," Scholz told the Bundestag or lower house of parliament.

Kabul responded on Friday to the German leader's remarks.

"The Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan calls upon the German authorities to address through normal consular engagement and an appropriate mechanism based on bilateral agreement," Taliban foreign ministry spokesman Abdul Kahar Balchi posted on X.

Germany has not sent anyone back to Afghanistan since the Taliban takeover in August 2021. Even before that, the agreement was that only men - especially criminals and those deemed terrorist threats - would be forcibly returned, due to the difficult security situation.

Critics warn against talks with the Taliban, who are currently internationally isolated.

According to Afghanistan expert Thomas Ruttig, the co-founder of the Afghanistan Analysts Network, the Taliban could benefit from deportations by using them as an opportunity to cooperate with a Western state, which could be seen as a boost to their reputation.

The German refugee advocacy group Pro Asyl has condemned Scholz's initiative.

"International law clearly prohibits any deportations to Afghanistan and Syria," Pro Asyl's managing director Karl Kopp told the Augsburger Allgemeine newspaper in remarks published on Friday.

Kopp described Scholz's proposed plans as unlawful, because "both countries are known for their use of torture and inhuman punishments."

A diversion via Afghanistan's neighbouring countries such as Pakistan is also currently being considered by the German government.

However, the Taliban reject this possibility. Extraditions to third countries would be a violation of current conventions, the Foreign Ministry spokesman emphasised in his statement.

So far, no country has officially recognized the Taliban government. Western states demand that human rights and especially women's rights are respected in the country before recognition is granted.

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The German Foreign Ministry on Friday warned against cooperating with Afghanistan's Taliban rulers on deporting Afghan offenders, saying the Islamist government would seek international recognition through such a move.

"The Taliban will want to have any repatriations paid for at least through international recognition," a spokesman for Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock said in Berlin.

"And it is a fact that the German government does not recognize the de facto Taliban government in Afghanistan, just like any other country in the world, and does not cooperate with it." There is only sporadic contact "on a technical level" in individual cases.

Following a fatal knife attack in Mannheim, in which a police officer was stabbed to death by an Afghan national, German Chancellor Olaf Scholz said he intended to allow the deportation of serious criminals to Afghanistan and Syria again. Interior Minister Nancy Faeser is currently looking into this.

The Taliban had previously shown themselves to be open to cooperation on accepting Afghan criminals and dangerous individuals.

"The Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan calls on the German authorities to settle the matter within the framework of normal consular relations and an appropriate mechanism based on a bilateral agreement," Taliban Foreign Ministry spokesman Abdul Kahar Balchi wrote on X on Friday.

Since the Taliban returned to power in Kabul in August 2021, a deportation ban for Afghans has been in place in Germany.

An Interior Ministry spokesman said deportations do not mean impunity for criminals in Germany.

"In murder cases, this means at least 10 years imprisonment in Germany as a minimum before deportation can be considered following this prison sentence."

Germany has not sent anyone back to Afghanistan since the Taliban takeover in August 2021. Even before that, the agreement was that only men - especially criminals and those deemed terrorist threats - would be forcibly returned, due to the difficult security situation.

Critics warn against talks with the Taliban, who are currently internationally isolated.

Representatives of the Green Party are against both deporting Afghans back to Afghanistan and cooperating with the Taliban.

"Every expulsion and every deportation to Afghanistan requires cooperation with this Islamist terrorist regime and thus virtually recognizes the Taliban," Germany's Commissioner for Human Rights and Green party member Luise Amtsberg told the taz newspaper in an interview published online on Friday.

Green party member of parliament Julian Pahlke described Scholz's announcement as "unrealistic" and legally unrealizable.

According to Afghanistan expert Thomas Ruttig, the co-founder of the Afghanistan Analysts Network, the Taliban could benefit from deportations by using them as an opportunity to cooperate with a Western state, which could be seen as a boost to their reputation.

The German refugee advocacy group Pro Asyl has condemned Scholz's initiative.

"International law clearly prohibits any deportations to Afghanistan and Syria," Pro Asyl's managing director Karl Kopp told the Augsburger Allgemeine newspaper in remarks published on Friday.

Kopp described Scholz's proposed plans as unlawful, because "both countries are known for their use of torture and inhuman punishments."

A diversion via Afghanistan's neighbouring countries such as Pakistan is also currently being considered by the German government.

However, the Taliban reject this possibility. Extraditions to other countries would be a violation of current conventions, the Foreign Ministry spokesman emphasized in a statement.

So far, no country has officially recognized the Taliban government. Western states demand that human rights and especially women's rights are respected in the country before recognition is granted.
 
Realistically this is a bad idea. It sounds good in practice but you have to consider that a large population of these criminals are going to be extremists who spread further radical connections through the prison system of Germany. What makes it even worse is that a small portion of those Afghan criminals did their crimes on behalf of the Taliban. You’re essentially creating sleeper cells and then sending connected handlers back to the mastermind to activate. All shielded under the talking point of migrants bad send them back. Folks, the real solution is to black site them or kill them.
 
Folks, the real solution is to black site them or kill them.
I prefer the KZ-solution, frankly. Just work them to death and torture them for the sake of torture. And do it in semi-public. The outcry over gitmo wasn't necessarily the conditions; it was because it was done in more or less secret conditions.
 
I prefer the KZ-solution, frankly. Just work them to death and torture them for the sake of torture. And do it in semi-public. The outcry over gitmo wasn't necessarily the conditions; it was because it was done in more or less secret conditions.
Gitmo was/is actually pretty cozy in the twilight of its operations. The CIA found out around the late 2000s that information under duress isn’t reliable and that these guys were gone so long that they just got cut out of the loop and replaced. Not to say it’s a good thing but the outcries of abuse and water boarding are so far detached from Abu Ghraib that it’s equivalent to staying in a Hilton hotel. Forced manual labor would be a good thing.
 
Realistically this is a bad idea. It sounds good in practice but you have to consider that a large population of these criminals are going to be extremists who spread further radical connections through the prison system of Germany. What makes it even worse is that a small portion of those Afghan criminals did their crimes on behalf of the Taliban. You’re essentially creating sleeper cells and then sending connected handlers back to the mastermind to activate. All shielded under the talking point of migrants bad send them back. Folks, the real solution is to black site them or kill them.

Nope.

Wrong answer.

Your plan only works if they are executed.

Since the Germans won't kill them or even punish them.

Expulsion and Deportation it is.

And there is a reason there are security services to deal with sleeper cells. Germany was home of the Stasi and I am sure most of them know what is up.
 
Nope.

Wrong answer.

Your plan only works if they are executed.

Since the Germans won't kill them or even punish them.

Expulsion and Deportation it is.

And there is a reason there are security services to deal with sleeper cells. Germany was home of the Stasi and I am sure most of them know what is up.
German politics has been fucked with to the utmost extreme in recent years, you really think they’re on the ball?
 
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