Disaster Taliban open to cooperation with Germany on deporting Afghans - Germany against working with Taliban over deporting violent offenders

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Afghanistan's Taliban rulers said on Friday they are open to cooperating with the German government on the deportation of Afghan criminals back to their home country.

German Chancellor Olaf Scholz said on Thursday that he wanted to see the swift deportation of criminals back to countries deemed unsafe by the government in Berlin, including Afghanistan and Syria.

The initiative comes after outrage was triggered by the recent killing of a police officer by an Afghan national. The attack took place at a rally held by an anti-Islam group in the western city of Mannheim.

"Such criminals should be deported - even if they come from Syria and Afghanistan," Scholz told the Bundestag or lower house of parliament.

Kabul responded on Friday to the German leader's remarks.

"The Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan calls upon the German authorities to address through normal consular engagement and an appropriate mechanism based on bilateral agreement," Taliban foreign ministry spokesman Abdul Kahar Balchi posted on X.

Germany has not sent anyone back to Afghanistan since the Taliban takeover in August 2021. Even before that, the agreement was that only men - especially criminals and those deemed terrorist threats - would be forcibly returned, due to the difficult security situation.

Critics warn against talks with the Taliban, who are currently internationally isolated.

According to Afghanistan expert Thomas Ruttig, the co-founder of the Afghanistan Analysts Network, the Taliban could benefit from deportations by using them as an opportunity to cooperate with a Western state, which could be seen as a boost to their reputation.

The German refugee advocacy group Pro Asyl has condemned Scholz's initiative.

"International law clearly prohibits any deportations to Afghanistan and Syria," Pro Asyl's managing director Karl Kopp told the Augsburger Allgemeine newspaper in remarks published on Friday.

Kopp described Scholz's proposed plans as unlawful, because "both countries are known for their use of torture and inhuman punishments."

A diversion via Afghanistan's neighbouring countries such as Pakistan is also currently being considered by the German government.

However, the Taliban reject this possibility. Extraditions to third countries would be a violation of current conventions, the Foreign Ministry spokesman emphasised in his statement.

So far, no country has officially recognized the Taliban government. Western states demand that human rights and especially women's rights are respected in the country before recognition is granted.

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The German Foreign Ministry on Friday warned against cooperating with Afghanistan's Taliban rulers on deporting Afghan offenders, saying the Islamist government would seek international recognition through such a move.

"The Taliban will want to have any repatriations paid for at least through international recognition," a spokesman for Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock said in Berlin.

"And it is a fact that the German government does not recognize the de facto Taliban government in Afghanistan, just like any other country in the world, and does not cooperate with it." There is only sporadic contact "on a technical level" in individual cases.

Following a fatal knife attack in Mannheim, in which a police officer was stabbed to death by an Afghan national, German Chancellor Olaf Scholz said he intended to allow the deportation of serious criminals to Afghanistan and Syria again. Interior Minister Nancy Faeser is currently looking into this.

The Taliban had previously shown themselves to be open to cooperation on accepting Afghan criminals and dangerous individuals.

"The Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan calls on the German authorities to settle the matter within the framework of normal consular relations and an appropriate mechanism based on a bilateral agreement," Taliban Foreign Ministry spokesman Abdul Kahar Balchi wrote on X on Friday.

Since the Taliban returned to power in Kabul in August 2021, a deportation ban for Afghans has been in place in Germany.

An Interior Ministry spokesman said deportations do not mean impunity for criminals in Germany.

"In murder cases, this means at least 10 years imprisonment in Germany as a minimum before deportation can be considered following this prison sentence."

Germany has not sent anyone back to Afghanistan since the Taliban takeover in August 2021. Even before that, the agreement was that only men - especially criminals and those deemed terrorist threats - would be forcibly returned, due to the difficult security situation.

Critics warn against talks with the Taliban, who are currently internationally isolated.

Representatives of the Green Party are against both deporting Afghans back to Afghanistan and cooperating with the Taliban.

"Every expulsion and every deportation to Afghanistan requires cooperation with this Islamist terrorist regime and thus virtually recognizes the Taliban," Germany's Commissioner for Human Rights and Green party member Luise Amtsberg told the taz newspaper in an interview published online on Friday.

Green party member of parliament Julian Pahlke described Scholz's announcement as "unrealistic" and legally unrealizable.

According to Afghanistan expert Thomas Ruttig, the co-founder of the Afghanistan Analysts Network, the Taliban could benefit from deportations by using them as an opportunity to cooperate with a Western state, which could be seen as a boost to their reputation.

The German refugee advocacy group Pro Asyl has condemned Scholz's initiative.

"International law clearly prohibits any deportations to Afghanistan and Syria," Pro Asyl's managing director Karl Kopp told the Augsburger Allgemeine newspaper in remarks published on Friday.

Kopp described Scholz's proposed plans as unlawful, because "both countries are known for their use of torture and inhuman punishments."

A diversion via Afghanistan's neighbouring countries such as Pakistan is also currently being considered by the German government.

However, the Taliban reject this possibility. Extraditions to other countries would be a violation of current conventions, the Foreign Ministry spokesman emphasized in a statement.

So far, no country has officially recognized the Taliban government. Western states demand that human rights and especially women's rights are respected in the country before recognition is granted.
 
So far, no country has officially recognized the Taliban government. Western states demand that human rights and especially women's rights are respected in the country before recognition is granted.
There is one.

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The Taliban are more competent on internal security than any German government in the last 9 years. Granted, not a high bar.
Also don't be fooled by the anti Taliban propaganda. They don't treat their citizens worse than our "allies" like Saudi Arabia. They are just poorer and don't have oil.
Indeed. As even National Geographic had to admit, delivering justice against degenerate rapists was the literal reason for the founding of the Taliban.
 
The Taliban had previously shown themselves to be open to cooperation on accepting Afghan criminals and dangerous individuals.
Great! Let’s send them all back. The men should be fine, right? I mean it’s a very repressive society for women but we can sure send the guys back right? All of them? There probably about four Afghan women in the country, and hundreds of thousands of men. Funny how that has happened isn’t it? If you had to flee repression would you leave the family behind? Better not think about it
The Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan calls on the German authorities to settle the matter within the framework of normal consular relations and an appropriate mechanism based on a bilateral agreement," Taliban Foreign Ministry spokesman Abdul Kahar Balchi wrote on X on Friday.
We live in a world where the Taliban sound more reasonable on policy than our own governments.
 
Isn’t it pretty obvious why the Taliban wants to accept violent Muslims who have demonstrated anti-European hatred, and who have experience living and traveling in Europe?
if you're attempting to derail the thread and poison the well by saying that the taliban want them in afghanistan to do a 9/11 then you haven't been following them for the past few years, the current taliban are too busy fighting isis in their territory, getting into shit with the pakistani air force bombing them for wanting to change the border and are trying to keep relations calm with iran over their now 50 year long water dispute. they have no desire to start shit anywhere since they've got their hands full now
 
if you're attempting to derail the thread and poison the well by saying that the taliban want them in afghanistan to do a 9/11 then you haven't been following them for the past few years, the current taliban are too busy fighting isis in their territory, getting into shit with the pakistani air force bombing them for wanting to change the border and are trying to keep relations calm with iran over their now 50 year long water dispute. they have no desire to start shit anywhere since they've got their hands full now
At this rate, I begin to wonder if the taliban victory is a phyrric victory with all these problems they inherited?
 
if you're attempting to derail the thread and poison the well by saying that the taliban want them in afghanistan to do a 9/11 then you haven't been following them for the past few years, the current taliban are too busy fighting isis in their territory, getting into shit with the pakistani air force bombing them for wanting to change the border and are trying to keep relations calm with iran over their now 50 year long water dispute. they have no desire to start shit anywhere since they've got their hands full.

Indeed.

If there's one thing we know for sure about the hardliner muslim terrorist theocracies in the Middle East, it's that they're always perfectly content with merely fucking around in their own little rathole corners of the world.

History certainly hasn't taught us otherwise, that's for sure.
 
Isn’t it pretty obvious why the Taliban wants to accept violent Muslims who have demonstrated anti-European hatred, and who have experience living and traveling in Europe?
Indeed.

If there's one thing we know for sure about the hardliner muslim terrorist theocracies in the Middle East, it's that they're always perfectly content with merely fucking around in their own little rathole corners of the world.

History certainly hasn't taught us otherwise, that's for sure.
Nigger, take the W.

And the Europeans have done business with the Saudis for decades so don't give us that bullshit now.

You are sounding much more retarded than that cunt from the Green Party.

As if the current situation is any better with Europeans completely abandoning the death penalty and then demand American blood to fight Russia on their behalf.

We live in a world where the Taliban sound more reasonable on policy than our own governments.

Imagine having such a screwed up and obscene act of murder, that the Taliban feel responsible for taking their violent lunatic countryman back, from further soiling the reputation of Afghanistan abroad.

And the liberals can't even claim that it's a xenophobic or "racist" policy to deport when their country of origin want them back.
 
The Taliban are more competent on internal security than any German government in the last 9 years. Granted, not a high bar.
Also don't be fooled by the anti Taliban propaganda. They don't treat their citizens worse than our "allies" like Saudi Arabia. They are just poorer and don't have oil.
Slightly worse.

The Taliban have essentially banned women's education and the ability for them to leave the house without a guardian.

Saudi moved past that level of Islamism about 20-30 years ago.
 
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