Tekken 8

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White Devil said:
I first played Tekken when it hit arcades and had them all on PS up to 5, which is what made me nope out with how ridiculous it had gotten. The whole Jinpachi thing was fucking stupid. I even have the anime on VHS somewhere.
This post makes me glad I haven't picked it up since 2005.
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T5 was the last one I put a lot of time into. I bought T7 heavily discounted and barely even played it after doing the story mode.

The last story I thought was any good really was T3. Tekken 6's was complete ass and didn't make any sense with them making Jin the pseudo bad guy so he can draw out that dumb crystal dragon thing.
 
Wesker said:
T5 was the last one I put a lot of time into. I bought T7 heavily discounted and barely even played it after doing the story mode.

The last story I thought was any good really was T3. Tekken 6's was complete ass and didn't make any sense with them making Jin the pseudo bad guy so he can draw out that dumb crystal dragon thing.
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I went on a lore binge last night after posting here and holy fuck did it get even more retarded after 5. All the constant retcons to the whole Kazuya / Mishima mountain thing, introducing Kazumi so late in the story and giving her that fucktarded "I only married you to assassinate you" backstory. Maybe I'm just a cranky old man at this point, but why do they need to keep making this more ridiculous just as an excuse to hold more KOIFs? Also apparently three-four of these fucking tournaments take place in a single year lore wise considering the characters don't age.

Honestly, Kazuya was/is my favorite character. I kind of had accepted he was dead dead in 3 and learned his poor substitute, Jin. When they brought him back in 4 I was super skeptical because the whole "G Corp found his remains just hours after..." was also dumb as fuck. I can understand the continuing revenge motif against Heihachi but somewhere this shit just turned into loony tunes. Now they're bringing Jun back?!? The people writing this are retarded.
 
White Devil said:
I went on a lore binge last night after posting here and holy fuck did it get even more retarded after 5. All the constant retcons to the whole Kazuya / Mishima mountain thing, introducing Kazumi so late in the story and giving her that fucktarded "I only married you to assassinate you" backstory. Maybe I'm just a cranky old man at this point, but why do they need to keep making this more ridiculous just as an excuse to hold more KOIFs? Also apparently three-four of these fucking tournaments take place in a single year lore wise considering the characters don't age.

Honestly, Kazuya was/is my favorite character. I kind of had accepted he was dead dead in 3 and learned his poor substitute, Jin. When they brought him back in 4 I was super skeptical because the whole "G Corp found his remains just hours after..." was also dumb as fuck. I can understand the continuing revenge motif against Heihachi but somewhere this shit just turned into loony tunes. Now they're bringing Jun back?!? The people writing this are retarded.
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Most people think Jinpachi is dumb, but I think he's a far better plot device than anything that came after, but that's not saying a whole lot. It's funny the timeline from T3-7 is like a year or some ridiculously short amount of time over a series that's 20 years after the fact from then.

I think Jin suffers from being carried entirely on his character design. They just don't know what to do with him besides making him the brooding cool looking emo, while Kazuya is much more interesting.
 
Wesker said:
Most people think Jinpachi is dumb, but I think he's a far better plot device than anything that came after, but that's not saying a whole lot. It's funny the timeline from T3-7 is like a year or some ridiculously short amount of time over a series that's 20 years after the fact from then.

I think Jin suffers from being carried entirely on his character design. They just don't know what to do with him besides making him the brooding cool looking emo, while Kazuya is much more interesting.
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Heihachi is in his 70s in 5, Jinpachi must be close to 100 if not over it, plus the whole demon angle thing. You know in 1 & 2, the story was pretty grounded with just an element of the supernatural. The whole Devil / Angel thing had that hint of Japanese mysticism which was cool. It was 1994, didn't have to be super complicated and it had more background to it than Mortal Kombat's standard save the world fare at the time.

And yeah, it just now hit me I have not played Tekken in close to two decades and the characters are pretty much the same with almost no actual evolution in that time frame. Honestly, if they're bringing Jun back, I'm afraid to see what they do to Jun and Kazuya's relationship story-wise considering that has been the biggest mystery of the whole franchise. I've been kind of going off the anime's interpretation of it since it was at least plausible and their dynamic was natural and made sense. Now Kazuya is a cartoon villain so I'm hesitant to see how the one person who was able to reach him affects the story. I expect a full on retard Anakin choking Padme thing here, honestly.

As for Jin, you're exactly right. He's that moody extreme 90s caricature that has no real personality of his own. He just serves as a foil to move Heihaci and Kazuya's stories on while they try to force him into being a main character. There is nothing about him that is unique or interesting or hasn't been done better in an established Tekken character.
 
White Devil said:
Heihachi is in his 70s in 5, Jinpachi must be close to 100 if not over it, plus the whole demon angle thing. You know in 1 & 2, the story was pretty grounded with just an element of the supernatural. The whole Devil / Angel thing had that hint of Japanese mysticism which was cool. It was 1994, didn't have to be super complicated and it had more background to it than Mortal Kombat's standard save the world fare at the time.

And yeah, it just now hit me I have not played Tekken in close to two decades and the characters are pretty much the same with almost no actual evolution in that time frame. Honestly, if they're bringing Jun back, I'm afraid to see what they do to Jun and Kazuya's relationship story-wise considering that has been the biggest mystery of the whole franchise. I've been kind of going off the anime's interpretation of it since it was at least plausible and their dynamic was natural and made sense. Now Kazuya is a cartoon villain so I'm hesitant to see how the one person who was able to reach him affects the story. I expect a full on retard Anakin choking Padme thing here, honestly.

As for Jin, you're exactly right. He's that moody extreme 90s caricature that has no real personality of his own. He just serves as a foil to move Heihaci and Kazuya's stories on while they try to force him into being a main character. There is nothing about him that is unique or interesting or hasn't been done better in an established Tekken character.
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Yeah there's little evolution with anyone, besides maybe Kazuya and Heihachi since they're both the only ones with any personality. But it's entirely one dimensional. They've just been trying to kill each other since the beginning and it's all that defines them. Everyone else is just window dressing. But this isn't a Tekken only problem, Street Fighter is imo even worse. They're perpetually stuck in StreetFighterIIville.

I would say even as far as Tekken 3 they didn't go overboard with the supernatural and I think Jin sharing the Devil Gene with Kazuya fits thematically. But they went way too far in Tekken 5 with Jinpachi being alive for one, and then being possessed by a demon or some shit. Then the crystal dragon thing in Tekken 6, which for some reason I've read on Wikia saying it's tied into the Devil Gene somehow?

Tekken 7 just has a more subdued story, but it's completely ruined by Akuma being apart of it.
 
I liked Tekken 7, but that was because it was a much more interesting game than Street Fighter 5 was or ever will be. Better to play, better to watch, and that's all it really needed from me.

It didn't even bother me that Akuma was in it. 5 literally turned him into Akuma Matata, so Tekken 7 treating him with some remote semblance of respect won me over in that department. Won't bother me if he doesn't turn up again, but his brief showdown with Heihachi was probably one of the best moments he's ever been given.

I don't expect much from the story for 8 though. Writing's on the wall that for all the supposed divide there is between Jin and Kazuya as fan favorites, it's plain as day that Jin will be setup to win, Jun will end the Devil Gene shit and Kazuya dies. Predictable, unfulfilling, and kind of a milquetoast conclusion to the Mishima bloodline personally. It'd be more surprising if Kazuya actually killed Jin and got to continue being the central antagonist methinks.
 
While this is only my conspiracy theory; I always felt that Akuma being in Tekken 7 was a test for Namco to try and complete their promise of Tekken X Street Fighter. Because not that anyone remembers; but when Capcom had SFxTK back in... like... 2013 or whenever it was; there was supposed to be a reciprocal of TKxSF from Namco. I always figured the hold up was Namco couldn't find a way to make SF characters work in their game engine. So it was put on indefinite hiatus, but instead of completely tapping out; they wanted to use Akuma as a proof of concept. Anything after seeing how he performed though, can't say for certain. Again, only my personal conspiracy... and still can't believe his presence and reason/goal is cannon.

Only personal want for now, is to have their music continue being good. Not gonna say it's Guilty Gear levels, but I felt Tekken had strong music since at least 3.
 
Kheapathic said:
While this is only my conspiracy theory; I always felt that Akuma being in Tekken 7 was a test for Namco to try and complete their promise of Tekken X Street Fighter. Because not that anyone remembers; but when Capcom had SFxTK back in... like... 2013 or whenever it was; there was supposed to be a reciprocal of TKxSF from Namco. I always figured the hold up was Namco couldn't find a way to make SF characters work in their game engine. So it was put on indefinite hiatus, but instead of completely tapping out; they wanted to use Akuma as a proof of concept.
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And the excuse for Geese? KOF play similarly to SF. I don't see how one would work, but the other doesn't.
 
I just want to play as Jack again and spam the X button. Isn't that too hard to ask?
 
Celebrate Nite said:
And the excuse for Geese? KOF play similarly to SF. I don't see how one would work, but the other doesn't.
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Don't have an excuse for Geese; I had that theory well before they started releasing all the DLC characters.

Because one of the two big things that separate SF from TK are projectiles. But the other one is vertical movement/jumps. Outside of characters with a wall jump like Chun-Li or Ibuki; air time is important to Akuma since his core abilities are an air-hadouken, dive kick, and demon flip. If you had a character to use as a proof of concept, when bringing SF to the TK engine, Akuma is the prime source to practice and get things right.

Again, just a theory I had... And it was predicated on the maybe that Namco hasn't completely abandoned TKxSF... Which they probably have by now.
 
Nobunaga said:
Geese moveset was already adapted to 3d retard, he had both maxium impact and the 3d fatal fury as proof of concept
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I don't remember either MI game(or KOF 2006 since MI2 was called that) having 3 dimensional movement like Tekken.

Geese was pretty much a ground up original thing made by the Tekken team themselves, same with other characters like Noctis. There was really nothing preexisting that was to be adapted outside of the design aesthetics.
 
The direction T8 is heading does seem pretty doomer, which is sad. I enjoyed T7 at launch. Playing it now is pretty depressing.
The slow-mo in T7 was pretty cool and funny at times, but it looks way too excessive in T8. I'm too lazy to look into the heat meter or whatever the fuck it's called.
I guess for now I'll just wait and see. Hope your favorites don't get cucked from T8 roster.

Anyway fuck Murray.
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Celebrate Nite said:
Ah yes, the two 3D games that play like 2D fighters and are in no way the same as tekken's mechanics.

The same 3D KOF/FF games that are similar to the Street Fighter EX series, which Akuma was also in.

And you call ME retarded.
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You can move in the 3d space and do pseudo wall splats you retarded nigger, something that you would know if you even bothered playing those games.
Fucking fgc retards spewing their stupidity without even watching let alone playing the games.
Neck yourself

Marissa Moira said:
I don't remember either MI game(or KOF 2006 since MI2 was called that) having 3 dimensional movement like Tekken.

Geese was pretty much a ground up original thing made by the Tekken team themselves, same with other characters like Noctis. There was really nothing preexisting that was to be adapted outside of the design aesthetics.
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You don't even play games retard so be quiet.
 
Just to remind you people about how retarded the story of Tekken is:

- Jin declared war on the whole world (retarded, I know) so he could take over it in the ending of Tekken 5. Tekken 6 and 7 (possibly 8 too) are his "redemption arc". Which is fucking stupid considering he has done nothing but fall into the steps of his father. Something Jun explicitly told him not to do.

- The developers considered the relationship between Kazuya and Jun nonsensical, so they considered approaching the angle from the perspective of "Kazuya raped Jun". I lost the article that talked about this, but even if this is remotely true I don't see them considering this as a backstory. Which oddly enough is the only way to make sense of this stupid plot point since Kazuya represents everything Jun hates about people (selfish, destructive, vindictive and uncaring).

- Nina and Anna are 40 years old but look like 20 because they cryogenic ally "de-aged themselves".

-Any thread that the other characters might have within the main story is completely pointless. Tekken 7 was panned for this, because this is Harada and criticism is not welcome, I really doubt there would even be a "side story for the other characters" and it will be just Mishimas, Lars/Alisa, maybe Lee or Nina and that's it.

-Harada insists Tekken 7 had rollback since launch. One of the people that worked on KI's online (a good online btw) asked what he meant by that since it's complete horse shit, Harada embarrassed himself by being condescending and the only thing he tweeted back was "it's 3 learn to count" or something like that.

With how bare bones Tekken 7 was, I have no hope for 8. Paul looked better in 4.

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tekken's plot is the dumbest shit on the planet and you're a genuine room temp IQ tard for caring. unread the post above me. you should feel like a fucking retard for retaining any of tekken's story because it's nothing. you're wasting neural pathways. you shouldn't care. none of it matters, it's nothing and you're worse off for knowing it. the only story that matters is how i had to pay money for fucking armor king and i swear to fuck if i have pay five bucks for armor king AGAIN i'm going to be real fucking sour.
 
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POWER IN MISERY said:
tekken's plot is the dumbest shit on the planet and you're a genuine room temp IQ tard for caring. unread the post above me. you should feel like a fucking retard for retaining any of tekken's story because it's nothing. you're wasting neural pathways. you shouldn't care. none of it matters, it's nothing and you're worse off for knowing it. the only story that matters is how i had to pay money for fucking armor king and i swear to fuck if i have pay five bucks for armor king AGAIN i'm going to be real fucking sour.
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You and I both know that they're going to ratchet the price up to ten bucks.
 
Could they please just show footage of a character sidestepping or side walking? Show Kazuya’s mist step? Or maybe some tracking move hitting someone mid-side walk? It’s a fucking 3d game and nothing that is purely 3d oriented has been shown, it’s just Street Fighter shit
 
I'm not much of a Tekken guy but with the right guests I'd give it a look.
 
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