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Whats stopping them from having him be just playable but dead in the story? Kinda like they did in Tekken 5?
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Drifty Shifter
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Kinda thought the whole point of Akuma being in the last game was because hitting Heihachi with a Raging Demon was the only way Harada could see him being weakened enough to actually die. I mean if Akuma has been retconned that technically never happened. So Heihachi surviving the volcano again wouldn't be out of the question. Dude survived Kazuya at full power Devil mode. I feel like that would have been tougher than the volcano.
Considering they refer to it as King of the Iron Fist Resurrection and they call him more or less insane. Maybe it's a Lazurus pit type deal. He's back but with super dementia. Could even be a body double that's convinced himself he's the real Heihachi now that the actual Heihachi is dead. Would make the "I am Heihachi Mishima" line have a bit more weight to it along with him looking different.
I'm excited either way.
Considering they refer to it as King of the Iron Fist Resurrection and they call him more or less insane. Maybe it's a Lazurus pit type deal. He's back but with super dementia. Could even be a body double that's convinced himself he's the real Heihachi now that the actual Heihachi is dead. Would make the "I am Heihachi Mishima" line have a bit more weight to it along with him looking different.
I'm excited either way.
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If you only saw the trailer, it should be pointed out that Harada was mocked in the EVO reveal, since it was immediately followed up by the clip of him saying, "Heihachi is compretery deada".
Kinda stupid, but oh well. At least this means Kazuya's definitely not dead. What they need to do is now refocus the narrative on the other characters rather than just the Mishimas/Kazamas.
Kinda stupid, but oh well. At least this means Kazuya's definitely not dead. What they need to do is now refocus the narrative on the other characters rather than just the Mishimas/Kazamas.
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New Update V1.06. it also includes.... Shark Costumes?
Here are the patch notes:
Here are the patch notes:
Level99Manchild
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Because Reina didn't make enough money from fgc cucks and simps to get another lambo for Harada, and the game's reputation is really bad. Heihachi looks like a desperate attempt to win people back, but it's not going to work. The Chipotle and Nike collabs are already getting roasted on Youtube:
If the expanded story is going to have Heihachi pass the torch to Reina, they have to be ridiculously careful, or it's going to cause a shitstorm if she girlbosses Heihachi.
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Like Asuka and Jun. Like Lars and Jin. (In the story anyway)
OH WAIT
Nothing and they did the same thing in with Kazumi in Tekken 7. That bitch died years ago but she's still playable. I hope it's the same deal with Old Man Jenkins.
Also just for reference, Kaz was not in Tekken 3 (IIRC) because he too was believed to be dead.
Please. I'm so fucking sick of the Heihachi / Kazama family dispute. Hell, no one involved gets any development which is absurd with how much time is dedicated to them including the other animated movie which had a kaiju battle between Kaz and the old man.
Or when characters do actually get some development, it's a regression of their character. Ahem, Ling Xiaoyu. That bitch has been obsessed with Jin and his family drama since Tekken 4 or 5. Can she PLEASE move on?
Blood Vengeance the movie actually axed that and focused on a friendship with Alisa which was cringe anime shit but so refreshing because it was something else.
Something something Street Fighter 6 Bison something.
Please, no more. Just keep the fucker dead.
Eta: all of this makes me sort of admire SNK for being willing to focus on new characters while shifting the old guard about so they don't stagnate.
And sure, they didn't always hit the mark: Ash sucks (SHEN WOO FOR KOF XV DAMMIT) , Shunei miraculously managed to suck even more somehow, NESTS saga was kinda bonkers and almost derailed in KOF '00 due to its shit localization.
Literally everything Maximum Impact.
But you can't say they don't try. Although with the old guard now confirmed to be alive (Goenitz, Rugal, Ash and his demon shit, assumedly all the NESTS boys) , I'm worried it's gonna be a soft reboot now.
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I haven't played much T8 because I have other things that come first, but I was going to main Kazuya because I thought that maybe, just maybe, Harada was going to punt him off into the sunset. With this reveal, I'm a lot less concerned about it, but I can't deny it's retarded. Doing it makes Reina a pointless clone, Kuma's inheritance of moves looks questionable, and obviously the storyline remains immobile. Can't even pretend that Jin and Kazuya will remain without their gene powers for long.
Frankly, I despise Xiaoyu for that very reason. Her obsession with needing to ride Edgelord Jin's
Bison can have a case made for him. His moveset is entirely unique and the hovercraft dictator is their best known villain. Heihachi's moveset is the same as any Mishima, and Kazuya is an easy villain replacement, since Harada would have you believe he is now a dindu nuffin.
Level99Manchild
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In a way, Ash was the closest to being the most successful because Asia liked him (he's still a faggot). It was the West who hated him. Even if 00 had a better localization, nothing could save the NEST storyline and its characters (Did anyone even like K'? I know Kula has fans, but I don't think K' was ever popular at all). We don't talk about Maximum Impact. Nests and MI were Falcoon's dark days and why you shouldn't let your artist run your games.
Speaking of Kazumi, some modder might have found her moveset in the game.
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ayyy the mishima family is being reunited again. i'll pirate the tekken franchise from now on just for the sake of the dogshit story.
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AFAIK K' is insanely popular. So much that people were mad about him being gone from XII.
Personally I find his personality grating and his whole gimmick relying on 2kool4skool kinda juvenile. They are trying way too hard to make him cool and edgy and it's just eye rolling.
(Which is why Krohnen is a much better character imo)
That grating personality is the same reason why I can't stand Ash and why I rolled my eyes at the end of XIII. I can't believe he's capable of having any emotional moments with how smarmy the stupid Cunt is at all times.
Kula has her fans indeed. I'm not one of them. She's so annoying. I can't stand UwU kawaii desu characters like her and Momoko from XI.
But to bring this back to the thread...
Really!! As someone who mains her, it's so frustrating. I tend to like the characters I main. Sometimes. Marie Rose and Ayane can fuck off but they are annoyingly fun to use.
But that aside, Xiaoyus character has been completely butt fucked because Harada can't help himself stroking his KazaMishima boner.
Agreed to be honest.
Add Miguel. We keep the sister stuff but we remove the nonsense of Adolf Jinler starting world War 3 because of a giant purple lizard chicken thing or whatever Azazel was supposed to be.
Let's throw Steve and Nina in the mix. They make such a big deal of these two being mom and son but fuck all is done with it.
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Level99Manchild
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I miss the days when Tekken had other storylines instead of this Mishima shit Harada and Murray shoved down your throat. Nina and Anna were supposed to be rivals like Tom and Jerry until Harada got rid of that shit.
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Pretty much every single classic character besides the Daddy Issues Squad got flanderized, some earlier, some in 5, the rest in 7.
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I mean, I'm happy because I did play a lot of Heihachi and I felt it was straight up unfair to remove OTGF. I grinded a lot of execution on that shit to be able to execute it after a wavu, a run and from crouch, and all that was just piss in the wind in the end. Reina is great from a gameplay perspective. Closest we'll get to Tekken 4 Jin without being obscenely broken. Story wise, I gotta say she's well designed with the whole masking her athletic physique, acting like an average girly girl then suddenly she's tanking chainsaws and lasers with her face and doing perfect electrics. Problem is they really didn't develop her much outside of her being a benevolent tyrant wannabe who knows Mishima style, is Heihachi's kid and catches the remainder of the Devil when it leaves Kazuya and Jin. Mysterious characters are alright but there is such a thing as too much mystery. She's also pretty hard to play well under pressure, so you're not gonna see much of her in tournaments. She's strong, but there's shit like Dragunov, Nina, Feng and Law who are unga bunga easymode great; People aren't gonna bring hard to execute stuff when money's on the table.
TL;DR: Heihachi yay, bring back Miguel and Lei already, stop with these bullshit characters no one cares about like Lidia and Shaheen, Eddy shoulda been base, 4th Season 1 char is gonna be Fahkumramon and I'm gonna be mildly upset.
EDIT: Regarding Flanderization, oh lord, so right. It's a 40-ish character roster where a whole 3 characters matter. Look at how they massacred my boy Paul from soloing Jin and Ogre to musclehead retard. Character development started and ended squarely within Tekken 4. Everyone has remained static for 23 years. They're lucky no one cares much about story in fighting games, but it's weird to see they take so much pride in their Guinness record for "Longest ongoing story in a videogame." My man Harada has to know that the story has been really long only because it hasn't MOVED in two decades.
Even when a character threatens to have some story involvement (Wang, Miguel) they get swiftly jokified and replaced with a younger and cooler version of themselves, a waifu, or just entirely written off.
Far as Mishimas go Heihachi's differences are that he's a mid monster with just okay but outrageously risky lows, his 1, 1, 2 is unreasonably good, his electric has slightly further reach, and his DF+1 is -1 on block with a mid followup. Also he has a really generous parry that is death on whiff and a slightly bad but complete throw game. I wonder what they'll do with his pummel throw. So far nobody in T8 has one. Kazuya has a lot of shit that was Heihachi's shtick now that he gets a proper 13 frame mid poke that knocks down and heat engages. Release DJ was a perfect character but he's gutted now so I doubt he's gonna garner much attention. T8 Jin is the easiest, most boring he's ever been. They basically sanded down everything that made him a threat at super high levels and he's now a credible threat at any level, at the cost of everything that made him unique. Heihachi's a good addition, but Tekken 8's bullshit monetization is not gonna have a great reception and they might end up cooking the golden goose before it lays any more eggs... Specially knowing how crabby, based and realistic the FGC's gonna be. Bamco can't even try to get wokebucks from Blackrock. It just wouldn't fly with the community.
Also, the DLC has been so hypeless. Eddy but somehow even MORE braindead (Nice graphical and animation upgrades though, credit where it's due), who should have been base roster, and Lidia but even more unga bunga after she was released in an absurdly busted state in T7, then promptly kneecapped along with Leroy and Fukurmahm. Least it's not Marduk! But for fuck's sakes it has SUCKED. They're saving AK, Lei, Julia and the rest of the cool characters for S2, obviously, and T8 so far has been giving me a feeling I never thought I'd have: Why am I not just playing T7 instead? It had more characters, Tekken Bowl, Heihachi was in it, parries didn't suck, Lei was in it... I'm even going back to Tekken when it had Wang ocasionally.
If I was to write Reina and Heihachi's storyline, I'd have Heihachi as a mentor figure, trying to use Reina and her devil powers to bring the world under his control, but peacefully, like he did in Tekken 3 with the Tekken Force. It checks out with the more recent characterization of Heihachi as a general powerhungry bastard who also happens to be the best line of defense against the literal Devil, and opens up the possibility of lighter future plotlines where sure, Reina is a Devil but she's not destructive like the male Mishimas were, Heihachi is trying to rule the world but he's not trying to turn himself into an Ogre-Devil hybrid monster, and Tekken can just go back to being a fighting tournament that just maybe, isn't ALWAYS dominated by a Mishima. Reina clearly seems to love and deeply respect Heihachi anyway. Doesn't look like she'd go against his wishes or try to girlboss him.
Then again god knows how people would take that. DOA6 tried to go that route with Diego winning the tournament and everyone hated the dude AND the game. New, lore-wise OP additions rarely go over well. Just look at Lars.
Also, the DLC has been so hypeless. Eddy but somehow even MORE braindead (Nice graphical and animation upgrades though, credit where it's due), who should have been base roster, and Lidia but even more unga bunga after she was released in an absurdly busted state in T7, then promptly kneecapped along with Leroy and Fukurmahm. Least it's not Marduk! But for fuck's sakes it has SUCKED. They're saving AK, Lei, Julia and the rest of the cool characters for S2, obviously, and T8 so far has been giving me a feeling I never thought I'd have: Why am I not just playing T7 instead? It had more characters, Tekken Bowl, Heihachi was in it, parries didn't suck, Lei was in it... I'm even going back to Tekken when it had Wang ocasionally.
If I was to write Reina and Heihachi's storyline, I'd have Heihachi as a mentor figure, trying to use Reina and her devil powers to bring the world under his control, but peacefully, like he did in Tekken 3 with the Tekken Force. It checks out with the more recent characterization of Heihachi as a general powerhungry bastard who also happens to be the best line of defense against the literal Devil, and opens up the possibility of lighter future plotlines where sure, Reina is a Devil but she's not destructive like the male Mishimas were, Heihachi is trying to rule the world but he's not trying to turn himself into an Ogre-Devil hybrid monster, and Tekken can just go back to being a fighting tournament that just maybe, isn't ALWAYS dominated by a Mishima. Reina clearly seems to love and deeply respect Heihachi anyway. Doesn't look like she'd go against his wishes or try to girlboss him.
Then again god knows how people would take that. DOA6 tried to go that route with Diego winning the tournament and everyone hated the dude AND the game. New, lore-wise OP additions rarely go over well. Just look at Lars.
EDIT: Regarding Flanderization, oh lord, so right. It's a 40-ish character roster where a whole 3 characters matter. Look at how they massacred my boy Paul from soloing Jin and Ogre to musclehead retard. Character development started and ended squarely within Tekken 4. Everyone has remained static for 23 years. They're lucky no one cares much about story in fighting games, but it's weird to see they take so much pride in their Guinness record for "Longest ongoing story in a videogame." My man Harada has to know that the story has been really long only because it hasn't MOVED in two decades.
Even when a character threatens to have some story involvement (Wang, Miguel) they get swiftly jokified and replaced with a younger and cooler version of themselves, a waifu, or just entirely written off.
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yeah we will see about that in tekken 9, if Kazumi wanted to keel Hash, imagine the hormones of a female teenager who has to compete against her cliffbrother and his edgy linkin park grandson. i dont get why she would call him jin-senpai tho.
i'd still tap that devil ass if she's 18 ofc.
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Not just the devil ass tbh. She's stealth-ripped under the baggy hoodie and nylons. The design is clearly inspired by Jin's Tekken 4 tracksuit. More on the beefy than cut side like Lidia, too. She's got toned abs and strong legs. It's easier to see with the mods that remove the whipped cream filters over everything. She calls Jin senpai because she's a newer student at the same uni he used to go to, Mishima Polytechnical, if I recall my lore correctly. So that's actually not an act, just proper-albeit-weird Japanese etiquette, that Jin is obviously too cool and edgy to care about. I don't think what Jin was studying was ever made clear but the fanon was agricultural engineering way back then. Xiaoyu was going there as well, on a free ride from Heihachi himself, because he was impressed with her beating a group of his bodyguards.
That in turn makes Heihachi's inner goodness seem less out of left field when Tekken 7 went that way. He really did have a good side. I hope he was a good father to Reina. Maybe he was if only to spite Kazuya even harder. Though it seems like he had her after Kaz was already out of the picture. She's late teens early twenties, I believe.
Regardless, Reina vs the rest of the Mishimas with Devil powers would make for some very Hollywood cutscenes but I think people would hate it. Reina cares, at least superficially about bullshit like etiquette, so she's probably dutybound to her beloved father and all that... Well, that's what I hope anyway. You may well be right and she'll just turn psycho with Devil powers. Maybe she just gets brought back through fighting. Maybe every Mishima gets a Devil, or Heihachi beats it out of Reina and finally gets it himself then promptly goes fucking nuts and becomes the main villain again. It has been said that he's crazy now. I dunno. Maybe that was the plan all along. Heihachi has wanted a power to rival the Devil for at least 5 mainline games now.
It's gonna be riddled with cliches. Tekken story has been retarded for some 20 years now, can't hope that changes, although it was nice to see Jin getting SOME development and Hwoarang and Xiaoyu finally being relevant.
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Too bad she's an annoying girl boss bitch that got her devil gene like Rey got her Jedi powers (demanding to have them with little or no effort required)
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I suppose I am in the super minority because I am one of those people who care about stories in my fighting game. Not that i expect top tier writing but I like things to not feel stagnant.
But regarding Harada, it's like he's expecting to have his cake and eat it too. He wants to brag about his story but he has no intention of moving it at all because he's still wanking to his epic anime family drama like it's the entire galaxy and everyone else is just stars in its orbit.
Yet he doesn't put much thought into it because he just comes up with shit and throws it on the wall to see if it sticks without consideration of what else has been established.
Or they have stories of their own that could be compelling to watch or engage in somehow but are thrown to the wayside so Kaz and Jin and Old Man Jenkins can bitch at each other for the nth time.
Kaz is one of my favorite Tekken characters but I'm also getting kinda fed up with him. Tekken could really do with a new villain who's not just family drama adjacent.
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Game has been released for a bit now, what are you folk's thoughts on the state of the game so far?