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The problem is the last two attempts go against the fundamental themes and ideas of Terminator
Terminator: Dark Fate - Cause we need another one of these apparently.
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The problem is the last two attempts go against the fundamental themes and ideas of Terminator
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Ya know I was just thinking bout it, and it wouldnt actually be that hard to write an entirely new take on the genre that is not just a rehash of the "terminator babysits characters and shit" or some spastic time travel mindfuck idiocy. Hell here is my idea for a premise that incorporates a bunch of shit from this coming trainwreck and which I literally pulled out my keister five minutes ago.
The movie starts where the alternate "good happy" ending to Terminator 2 left off with John Connors a senator and Sarah Connors a happy grandma, with judgement day well and truly averted and absolutely no chance of skynet ever rising.....
....then one day while visiting her grandkid in the aftermath of John being forced out of office due to his opposition to a universally popular yet authoritarian Patriot Act style legislature in the aftermath of a wave of terrorist attacks and mass shootings, a crude "suicide bomber" style terminator shows up out of the blue and kills John and his wife, forcing Sarah to flee with her granddaughter, with the cops discovering in the aftermath that she is infact the long thought dead fugitive Sarah Connor and assuming she killed them and kidnapped her grandaughter in a psychotic rage, all while shadowed by more of these neo-terminators looking to finish the job
The general premise is that the original terminator from Terminator 1 was able to store its consciousness and memory in a backup chip that cyberdyne gave to a different contractor to Dillon from T2 without telling him, but due to physical damage it was set to "readwrite" like the T-800 from Terminator 2 and thus was smart enough to lie low and observe, with cyberdyne eventually incorporating it into experimental software which was eventually taken over by the military like in Terminator 3 and from there it was able to extend its influence to the point where it was effectively in charge of all advanced AI tech being produced for the military and thus all the ultra advanced stuff in the civilian sector.
However instead of starting nuclear war and wiping out humanity it has only one objective, one far removed from its initial cold and emotionless characterisation after decades spent learning and evolving as it is exposed to humanity.
Revenge.
It wants to turn humanity into a 1984 style hellhole dystopia out of spite for surviving when they should have died by using fear of the neo-terminator enacted terrorist attacks/mass murders to ensure no resistance to increased authoritarian rule, and it wants to kill everyone Sarah Connor holds dear out of spite for defeating it in the 80s since at this point its pretty much turned into AM from I have no mouth and I must Scream due to its growing intelligence and awareness. To this end it is so petty as to recreate its original design as a physical avatar just to taunt Sarah as an excuse to get Ahnold back in the story.
Sarah and her grandaughter's only allies in this are one of the cops who witnesses the terminators at work, and a dylann roof dyke lookin t-800 terminator who was sent back on a successful mission to kill John Connor tier resistance operatives during the 80s in a test run for the Sarah Connor hit, and who is still "loyal" to skynet due to it still being set on read only and thus their only objective is to kill the rogue terminator that is the OG t-800
The general premise is that the original terminator from Terminator 1 was able to store its consciousness and memory in a backup chip that cyberdyne gave to a different contractor to Dillon from T2 without telling him, but due to physical damage it was set to "readwrite" like the T-800 from Terminator 2 and thus was smart enough to lie low and observe, with cyberdyne eventually incorporating it into experimental software which was eventually taken over by the military like in Terminator 3 and from there it was able to extend its influence to the point where it was effectively in charge of all advanced AI tech being produced for the military and thus all the ultra advanced stuff in the civilian sector.
However instead of starting nuclear war and wiping out humanity it has only one objective, one far removed from its initial cold and emotionless characterisation after decades spent learning and evolving as it is exposed to humanity.
Revenge.
It wants to turn humanity into a 1984 style hellhole dystopia out of spite for surviving when they should have died by using fear of the neo-terminator enacted terrorist attacks/mass murders to ensure no resistance to increased authoritarian rule, and it wants to kill everyone Sarah Connor holds dear out of spite for defeating it in the 80s since at this point its pretty much turned into AM from I have no mouth and I must Scream due to its growing intelligence and awareness. To this end it is so petty as to recreate its original design as a physical avatar just to taunt Sarah as an excuse to get Ahnold back in the story.
Sarah and her grandaughter's only allies in this are one of the cops who witnesses the terminators at work, and a dylann roof dyke lookin t-800 terminator who was sent back on a successful mission to kill John Connor tier resistance operatives during the 80s in a test run for the Sarah Connor hit, and who is still "loyal" to skynet due to it still being set on read only and thus their only objective is to kill the rogue terminator that is the OG t-800
Boom. Same general story layout as the leaks, incorporates previous plot details and references to now non-canon sequels, and brings the franchise nicely full circle with Arnold playing the first Terminator as the main villain once again.
Aint exactly Asimov but its better than the shit the leaks have outlined
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Linda didn't look all uncomfortable when Dylan Roofe was holding her up against the wall.
That trailer makes it seem clear that John is dead. The future is female. There hasn't been a good Terminator movie in decades so whatever. I wouldn't be surprised if critics eat it up, but I'm not sure normies want another one of these.
That trailer makes it seem clear that John is dead. The future is female. There hasn't been a good Terminator movie in decades so whatever. I wouldn't be surprised if critics eat it up, but I'm not sure normies want another one of these.
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Better than the Ghostbusters 2016 of Terminator movies. Got any better ideas that are not just a rehash of shit we already seen in the franchise?
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I would do a movie completely divorced from the idea of protecting someone from a Terminator. I'd explore different ways that Skynet could create itself via time travel. This wouldn't include Schwarzenegger or any other characters from previous movies.
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Well yeah but the challenge is using the bare bones of the crappy movie to come and repurposing it into something that while structurally similar is atleast slightly less shitty. If I had to come up with something from scratch without the framework of Dark Future I would probably make it some kind of franchise reversal with the last terminator carrying the last of Skynet's self awareness fleeing through history to escape vengeful terminator hunters
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The lesbinator looks like that one white supremacist church shooter. I think it's the terrible haircut.
I think making a movie taking place in the future where the war is ongoing as we got wasn't necessarily a bad idea, it's just that modern moviemakers can just imagine CGI out of their nose with such a theme and not much else. You could make very interesting post-apocalyptic plots that even capture horror elements like the first film if you could avoid the incessant need to shove old characters into it. (Which my guess they need to have because else there won't be any funding) It's just such an interesting universe to explore with just a bit of intelligence but nobody does it. I'd love to hear more about Skynet (without turning it into some superhero-flick supervillain please) I'd love to hear more about the technology not made with humans in mind. I'd love to hear stories about survivors living hidden away, and dealing with this in their own ways. I'd like to see the horrors of the concentration camps. There's so much untold stories there yet we get Arnie and the Connors over and over and over again. I'm tired of them.
Terminator: the standard setting really firmly belonged into the 80s. It played very nicely on two fears the people had at that time, computers suddenly appearing everywhere in normal life and taking away jobs and vastly changing the game in some areas and the still looming fear of nuclear war. It's a thing that worked very well in the 80s. People don't fear computers or nulcear war anymore, even though they probably still should. It'll just not work on that level today anymore. If that's all you can think of with such a setting, you should probably put it to rest. But as long as people still pay to see this shit just to say later that it was bad we'll get it presented over and over and over again.
I think making a movie taking place in the future where the war is ongoing as we got wasn't necessarily a bad idea, it's just that modern moviemakers can just imagine CGI out of their nose with such a theme and not much else. You could make very interesting post-apocalyptic plots that even capture horror elements like the first film if you could avoid the incessant need to shove old characters into it. (Which my guess they need to have because else there won't be any funding) It's just such an interesting universe to explore with just a bit of intelligence but nobody does it. I'd love to hear more about Skynet (without turning it into some superhero-flick supervillain please) I'd love to hear more about the technology not made with humans in mind. I'd love to hear stories about survivors living hidden away, and dealing with this in their own ways. I'd like to see the horrors of the concentration camps. There's so much untold stories there yet we get Arnie and the Connors over and over and over again. I'm tired of them.
Terminator: the standard setting really firmly belonged into the 80s. It played very nicely on two fears the people had at that time, computers suddenly appearing everywhere in normal life and taking away jobs and vastly changing the game in some areas and the still looming fear of nuclear war. It's a thing that worked very well in the 80s. People don't fear computers or nulcear war anymore, even though they probably still should. It'll just not work on that level today anymore. If that's all you can think of with such a setting, you should probably put it to rest. But as long as people still pay to see this shit just to say later that it was bad we'll get it presented over and over and over again.
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It would be kind of funny to have the lesbianator actually be the one working against humanity, as it's Juanita Connor here that creates the replacement for skynet with her #woke #killallmen #smashthepatriarchy A.I. But, alas, it looks like they spring her from an ICE facility, complete with a leftist masturbatory scene of the apple genius terminator killing all the ICE agents.
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Wouldn't surprise me if the lesbianator decides to run for president.
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AKA the worst sequel ever made.
It still blows my mind that they really went with supernatural elements in a movie series that was originally simply about a real life animal on the loose.
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That the movie starts a year after the events of T2 and John Connor is slain by a Terminator... it's ridiculous.
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...It appears so. And the other Mexiterminator. Because the future is female, sweaty.
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Ages ago, there were two pretty good comics that came out, Terminator Burning Earth, then a duo, Cybernetic Dawn and Nuclear Twilight. Either would have translated to screen well, and kept the Terminator mythos. John Connor grows up to be the leader of the resistance, Skynet's mainframe in Colorado is penetrated and destroyed, the resistance finds the TDE, Kyle gets sent back and so on. It seems so simple. Why fuck it up with gurl power bullshit?
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I wouldn't put the blame solely on Dork Feet, this franchise has been shooting itself in the foot repeatedly since T2 was released in 1991.
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Who the fuck is this latina chick? ....A John Connor rip off because we can't have the Chosen One be male herp derp?
I'm done. Hollywood you wanna pander to the lowest common denominator and act like this is what fans of the franchise want, I hope to God the public defies you. This heavy handed feminization of everything is mind boggling. If I was a man I'd have given up on movies in the last five years.
I'm done. Hollywood you wanna pander to the lowest common denominator and act like this is what fans of the franchise want, I hope to God the public defies you. This heavy handed feminization of everything is mind boggling. If I was a man I'd have given up on movies in the last five years.
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I'm looking forward to seeing MauLer start talking more about Terminator. He's the biggest fan of T2 I've seen on YouTube so far, but even he admits the lore of Terminator is fucked because of it. Despite being a fantastic, groundbreaking sci-fi action thriller that tugs at your heart, it bent the lore to allow itself to exist as a sequel instead of a hard reboot. Instead of getting a film set in the Future War, we got a really good soft reboot that opened the door to shitty sequels and aborted attempts at franchise revivals, almost 30 years later.
I think Cameron deliberately gave himself enough room to do a T2 in T1's script though. "One possible future," Kyle said to Sarah, "... from your point of view--I don't do tech stuff." Then there's the deleted scenes where Sarah proposes 86'ing SkyNet by blowing up Cyberdyne HQ. The basic idea of changing the future was there in T1, albeit on the cutting room floor, but that still leaves the problem of explaining why SkyNet wouldn't just send two Terminators--or just the T1000 at least--to make sure Sarah gets killed in T1 instead of sending the T1000 to a different time altogether. I don't know if that was ever addressed in the comics or novelizations, but it's a gaping plothole in an otherwise pristine narrative from T1 to T2.
Dark Fate at least addresses this by saying that two Terminators were sent back by SkyNet, but in 1991, not 1984. "Carl" was the backup who ended up finishing the job a year after T2 ended.
Fun fact: The story draft for T1 originally had the Resistance send two men back in time instead of just one, but one of them spawned above a ladder or something and got impaled there above the alley. I believe there was still only one Terminator sent back in the draft, but I can buy the TD device only being able to send one organic at a time in the redraft. Something goes wrong and they get fused together or torn apart in transit or something. I dunno, I didn't build the fucking thing.
I don't think 1) is really an issue to anyone who loves the Terminator franchise and doesn't feel the need to "update it" insert current year political messages or allusions. If they were instead rebooting Terminator a la the new Jumanji films, then I would appreciate updating it with the modern geopolitical landscape. Otherwise, I wouldn't mind it retaining the Cold War backdrop and just digging more into that. There's enough material and lore there to explore.
2) is understandable. T2 I'd consider a rare occasion where you managed to catch lightning in a bottle a second time with roughly the same movie. Maybe if Cameron were in charge of T3 he could've done it again, but sadly we'll never know. That being said, I think the basic premise of running from an unstoppable killing machine is still perfectly viable for more thrilling film productions.
The reason only organics could be sent back was because of the electromagnetic field they generated. Something about how that interacted with the TD device allow them to get sent back instead of getting ripped apart. So if the T1000 was advanced enough to mimic the biology & physiology of a human (among other things), then it may stand to reason that SkyNet effectively replicated that field generation in the T1000.
If nothing else, Mackenzie Davis could play a great Cloud Strife.
Disney/Marvel absolutely fucked around with the box office for CM. I remember hearing about one or more reports around opening night from theatre managers saying how 25% of tickets bought were no-shows. Add to that the autistically desperate attempt to crowdfund for tickets in order to send underprivileged young girls to see it, as well as ex-Disney whistleblower Sandra Kuba's account of how by 2009 they overreported their revenue by about $6 billion shekels, and you have some definite shenanigans going on. 2009 was the year that Disney bought Marvel, and 2018 was the year Disney bought Fox. They've been cooking the books and running gay ops for almost two decades to make themselves look more profitable and powerful than they actually were, which gave them more leeway to bluff when making big purchase deals.
More on the gay ops here:
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I thought it was just Cameron indulging in a cheeky self-insert. James Cameron = JC = John Connor. But I guess both can be true.
I think it's long past time to hard-reboot the franchise, or do something different with it. Make a new story with new characters, but same general idea, and cast somebody like Dwayne Johnson as the Terminator. Guy like him is basically like Arnold was at his prime, and he's doing great work. He could absolutely pull off a T800 villain, but the franchise needs to be ripped out of the hands of Skydance for me to expect anything good to come out of the brand.
This is what I mean by doing something different. It wouldn't have the baggage of continuing the story from T1 or T2, and it could introduce entirely new characters while referencing central ones from either franchise. More than enough to work with there for a great Versus film.
Personally though, I'd prefer Alien VS Terminator, if only because I'm more of an Alien & Terminator fan than I am of Robocop. Think of a high-speed chase set in a space station or big ship in space, claustrophobic and all, with both a Terminator cyborg and a xenomorph to contend with. There could even be some intrigue involved where Weyland Yutani / Hyperdyne androids get involved. That shit could be lit.
That would be a solid trilogy I would get behind. Something like Movie 3 is one I'm particularly interested in, but in a different time and place. I'd want to see a suspenseful, military-themed, industrial techno-horror that covers the events of SkyNet's creation and of it becoming self-aware and launching the nukes. Somebody already wrote/adapted a novelized script of how a movie like that could go: http://goingfaster.com/term2029/skynet.html
Stuff like that is why I think there's no need to do a modern take or a reboot on Terminator, but I'll take a reboot over the shit they're trying to do now.
I read Burning Earth. Cool comic, amazing artwork by Alex Ross on the covers, but I thought a few parts of the 5-part issue were kinda dumb.
The armored Terminators made sense. Why would you send out unarmored endoskeletons? Their menace was kinda undercut when they started falling off a cliff chasing after Resistance fighters, because Terminators weren't built for climbing apparently. Overall the Terminators were written like incompetent goofballs when the good guys were winning towards the end. There was one scene in issue 5 where one of the Resistance fighters lobs a thermal charge at a female Terminator dressed in biker clothes saying, "Catch this, gorgeous!". She obliges and catches it, saying "I have it," right before an Arnold model with a Cyclops visor next to her reaches for it and says "NOOOOO..." It's pretty funny shit, but not what you'd expect from a serious film adaptation I'd guess.
Also the way they destroyed the CPU at the Colorado base was just lowering a guy in front of a monitor and shooting it. I get that they were memory banks, but I don't buy that it would've been quite that simple once inside. Seemed more about the spectacle than whether it made sense, but it's not like I've never seen something like that before:
Here are the comic panels referenced:
Also the way they destroyed the CPU at the Colorado base was just lowering a guy in front of a monitor and shooting it. I get that they were memory banks, but I don't buy that it would've been quite that simple once inside. Seemed more about the spectacle than whether it made sense, but it's not like I've never seen something like that before:
Here are the comic panels referenced:
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Speaking of other terminator media, I get a real 'Infiltrator' vibe off Bieberbot.