Terminator: Dark Fate - Cause we need another one of these apparently.

[Manwithn0n0men]

May as well do a RoboCop vs Terminator movie. So long as it's R-rated it can't get any worse.

More like Spacecop vs Terminator

 

[That Chris Guy]

I like Alien 3 (Assembly Cut).

I didn't outright hate Alien 3, but I understand exactly why it essentially killed Alien as a franchise, and I'm sympathetic to those who despise it for Newt and Hicks's fates. However, now I'm presented with the exact same failing scenario here, and it's even worse considering how much John mattered to the story since the beginning.

 

[Poe-Shen Zcela]

Worse still when you realize James Cameron has gone on record multiple times criticizing David Fincher for his decision to kill off Newt and Hicks. As late as 2016 he's said how it was really dumb. Before that he'd made the point that he doesn't like it when people make decisions to kill off characters that the audience is invested in.

Now what does he do? Exactly the same fucking thing, because he stands to make a lot of money off the deal he made with Skydance. And since he was involved in drafting the story of these new Terminator films, then for all we know, it was either his idea to kill John Connor or he signed off on it without a second thought.

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Grace Randolph being surprisingly based and redpilled objectively critical once again, despite her comments about Last Blood. Good for her not being a fake gamergurl, just a left-leaning progressive type like Tim Pool.

Lol at the cast picture with Natalia Reyes coming in at a Midna-tier 4'something, and Grace's comment about her character "being pointless, but nice to have around" and the cast being too "female-centric" Oww! Papapishu!*

And she's not the only feminist taking Dark Fate to task:

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*Somewhat surprised at Grace's suggestion of there being a lack of action in a Terminator movie. The first two did have a lot of time between chase sequences, but they averaged around 4-5 action scenes between them, yeah? This one must have at least four: the first chase at Arius Motors, the Border Patrol slaughter, the big C plane sequence, and then the final showdown at the dam. So it must be that they're shorter than normal, or at least feel shorter.


Mr H Reviews' first impressions:


Mr H demonstrating how Collider's Steven Weintraub is a shill:


Mr H predicting a flop, talking more about Steven Weintraub & Grace Randolph:

You know Paramount has got to be assmad over the lukewarm-to-negative reception so far, because they're the #1 studio to spend the most on advertising a movie:

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TheTerminatorFans comes through again with all-encompassing coverage of the film, the surprise press screening at the Alamo Drafthouse, and the film's overall reception among critics, as well as comparing to past precedents set by Genisys in particular:

First TERMINATOR: DARK FATE Reviews + Surprise FAN Screenings

The first reviews for Terminator: Dark Fate have started coming in from France, and the Alamo Drafthouse held a surprise screening for fans of T2 which included a fair number of big critics.

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Lastly: Goddamn, they're really leaning heavy into the Chinese cross-promotional advertising, aren't they? $20 says this sickeningly out-of-place (but otherwise alright) dance pop tune will be the credits theme music:

Don't get me wrong, the singer and song alone are lovely. Too bad she's about to get GOOPED

I guess I'll take this over the bummercore Hunter cover.

 

[Tootsie Bear]

Dear God! What did I just watch? Not only were the leaks true, they fucking killed off John Connor! I can't believe it but it is what it is. Even if they wanted to change the story and create new characters; killing John Connor was just wrong to do.

 

[Manwithn0n0men]

Worse still when you realize James Cameron has gone on record multiple times criticizing David Fincher for his decision to kill off Newt and Hicks. As late as 2016 he's said how it was really dumb. Before that he'd made the point that he doesn't like it when people make decisions to kill off characters that the audience is invested in.

Now what does he do? Exactly the same fucking thing, because he stands to make a lot of money off the deal he made with Skydance. And since he was involved in drafting the story of these new Terminator films, then for all we know, it was either his idea to kill John Connor or he signed off on it without a second thought.

He didnt have creative input on the project. BUT because they paid him he will say he did and say he thinks this is JUST GREAT [because he doesnt have the time to make a Terminator flick]

Dear God! What did I just watch? Not only were the leaks true, they fucking killed off John Connor! I can't believe it but it is what it is. Even if they wanted to change the story and create new characters; killing John Connor was just wrong to do.

Because John is a stand in for the Manbabies to replace them with the more commercially viable diverse female characters

 

[Oh Shit I'm Sorry]

Dear God! What did I just watch? Not only were the leaks true, they fucking killed off John Connor! I can't believe it but it is what it is. Even if they wanted to change the story and create new characters; killing John Connor was just wrong to do.

Everything about the scene is really funny. The fact that there's no blood, that she tried to stop a Terminator with a squirt gun, the fact that she didn't recognize the 8-foot tall man slowly advancing towards her kid til the last minute. Comedy gold.

 

[Krokodil Overdose]

Dear God! What did I just watch? Not only were the leaks true, they fucking killed off John Connor! I can't believe it but it is what it is. Even if they wanted to change the story and create new characters; killing John Connor was just wrong to do.

Hey guize, we're going to throw away all those bad sequels, get rid of the excessive time travel/alternate universe shenanigans, and just make a sequel T1 and T2! You know, the good Terminator movies! Aren't you excited?
>5 minutes in
>Kill John Connor, completely invalidating T1 and T2

Holy shit, these clowns just fucked up a wet dream.

 

[BrunoMattei]

Fuck, I didn't even realize this was out in Europe! Holy fucking shit the marketing was terrible! I knew approximately when all the other big movies are coming out but this thing I honest-to-god thought was coming out in 2020.

Edit: this dude deserves a semper-fi:

I haven't watched the cam copy but I'm willing to bet that this flick has nothing on Alien 3.

2nd edit: watching a cam and this flick heavily panders if it weren't obvious already. Why does the beginning take place in Mexico? Because gotta' get those latin asses in seats. That's why.

3rd edit: I already find myself skipping ahead. I don't care about any of these characters. I don't care about Hispanic Sarah Connor. I don't care about this androgynous cyborg chick, I don't care about the real Sarah Connor, I don't care about anything that's happening. The only thing that's making me watch this till the end is morbid curiosity. And fuck the obnoxious social commentary. Fuck the scene where the illegals are detained. Fuck you James Cameron!

Please let this fucking bomb. Just end the fucking franchise.

 

[Tootsie Bear]

Hey guize, we're going to throw away all those bad sequels, get rid of the excessive time travel/alternate universe shenanigans, and just make a sequel T1 and T2! You know, the good Terminator movies! Aren't you excited?
>5 minutes in
>Kill John Connor, completely invalidating T1 and T2

Holy shit, these clowns just fucked up a wet dream.

Fuck, I didn't even realize this was out in Europe! Holy fucking shit the marketing was terrible! I knew approximately when all the other big movies are coming out but this thing I honest-to-god thought was coming out in 2020.

Edit: this dude deserves a semper-fi:

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I haven't watched the cam copy but I'm willing to bet that this flick has nothing on Alien 3.

2nd edit: watching a cam and this flick heavily panders if it weren't obvious already. Why does the beginning take place in Mexico? Because gotta' get those latin asses in seats. That's why.

3rd edit: I already find myself skipping ahead. I don't care about any of these characters. I don't care about Hispanic Sarah Connor. I don't care about this androgynous cyborg chick, I don't care about the real Sarah Connor, I don't care about anything that's happening. The only thing that's making me watch this till the end is morbid curiosity. And fuck the obnoxious social commentary. Fuck the scene where the illegals are detained. Fuck you James Cameron!

Please let this fucking bomb. Just end the fucking franchise.

I don't watch movies as much as I used to and if there's something interesting I would prefer to wait until it's available on home media or digital download. Also, my interests are more narrow because I just don't care about popular culture aka. consumer culture so I really only focus on franchises I like the Terminator, Nightmare on Elm Street, Alien and Predator. Which is why I'm amazed because I read how there are leaks for popular movies months before their release then I'm amazed how when the movies are finally released, their plot perfectly lines up what the leakers have reported.

However, it has come to the point that I'm only interested in something if the theme of the plot catches my eye or there's a struggle; not something that's so fast you'll blink and miss it! When I heard the of the latest Predator I was excited because Predators wasn't too bad. Sure it was far from perfect but it was enjoyable enough in my opinion. What sucked was hearing how a young boy with autism, who was supposedly good with languages, was able to communicate with the Predator. I mean, What The Fuck! Why? The Predator is not only an alien, it has fucking mandibles that communicates too differently from humans so that wasn't believable. Then I saw the trailer with the giant Predator and I thought to myself, fuck this movie! Around this time it was reported another Terminator movie was coming soon.

Even though the Terminator and Terminator 2 are my favorite movies, I haven't seen the third movie until I watched Salvation in theaters. The third movie had its funny moments but it was watered down by a over the top plot that was only wanted to capitalize on the second movie but had it as a parody. With Salvation as a direct sequel I'll say I enjoyed it better then T3. And while everyone dislikes Genisys I thought it was okay. Better than the third movie but worse than Salvation. It tried to be something different but was TERMINATED before it could be!

With Dark Fate I planned to see it in theaters on opening day. Unfortunately with the leaks and spoilers proving the leaks correct, I find myself disappointed that I just don't give a fuck about it or any sequel to my favorite movies. Because they don't take themselves serious enough and their plots are just rehash of the originals; so why don't I just watch the originals? Eventually I see both the Predator and Dark Fate. Just years later when I remember they'd exists.

 

[BrunoMattei]

What I don't understand about this clusterfuck is this: why, oh why in the fuck, would they do yet another retread of the first movie? Terminator 2 is a retread but it was just different enough to separate it from the original. Then came 3, and then 5. They know people hated the other sequels, especially 3 and 5. So why in the fuck would you pour so much money and manpower and all that shit into doing another retread? It's the definition of insanity from that Far Cry game. Just do something different. It's not that hard.

 

[Comicsgeist]

Dear God! What did I just watch? Not only were the leaks true, they fucking killed off John Connor! I can't believe it but it is what it is. Even if they wanted to change the story and create new characters; killing John Connor was just wrong to do.

What an absolute kick in the teeth. I'm genuinely angry about how those first 5mins just curb-stomp two of my favorite action movies ever.
I don't care how limited a role Cameron may have had in the production, at some point he had to have read the script before the production started and chose not to roll it up and use it to beat the writer to death with. So fuck you James Cameron.

 

[Iceland Heavy]

What an absolute kick in the teeth. I'm genuinely angry about how those first 5mins just curb-stomp two of my favorite action movies ever.
I don't care how limited a role Cameron may have had in the production, at some point he had to have read the script before the production started and chose not to roll it up and use it to beat the writer to death with. So fuck you James Cameron.

Every movie that comes out the original happy ending to T2 looks better and better. And that might as well be the 'real' ending to me since they've made it trivially easy to disregard every movie after T2.

 

[The handsome tard]

Dear God! What did I just watch? Not only were the leaks true, they fucking killed off John Connor! I can't believe it but it is what it is. Even if they wanted to change the story and create new characters; killing John Connor was just wrong to do.

Seeing Furlong's John again was pretty neat...for the 5 seconds we see him before he gets gunned down. The worse part is that they dont even try to make it significant, would it kill them to have John and Sarah share a small conversation over what happened the last few years and where they will go now that, until then, Judgement Day had been truly avoided? I dont know, have them actually act like a young boy and his mother enjoying their time at the beach.

This? This is just like Alien 3, they dont even make that much of a big deal about, instead they act like its a checklist to get over it as soon as possible.

"John Connor is dead * yaw.n* Sarah cries over his dead body, cue title card. Where is my pizza?"

SW: ROS and Dark fate deserve to crash and burn

 

[Tootsie Bear]

Every movie that comes out the original happy ending to T2 looks better and better. And that might as well be the 'real' ending to me since they've made it trivially easy to disregard every movie after T2.

I agree. The original ending was nice because it was ambiguous as what will happen to both Sarah and John Connor after the defeat of the T-1000. Leaving the future open for a sequel. But now we know the sequels are terrible I like the one where John Connor is fully grown, married with a family. This ending is supported by James Cameron original view that Skynet suffered guilt for Judgement Day and conspired to allow John Connor not only win in the future war against the machines, but in the past, too, where Skynet doesn't exists.

 

[Elliot R.]

Once again it is shown that mainstream Hollywood falls to the pleas and cries of women and their appetite for attention. I've seen this appetite go infinitely far in every faucet of life. Entertainment, popular media, even my beloved coffee chain Starbucks is infested with this inhumane scum.
So I give the Terminator franchise a final goodbye, for its corrupted and pitiful corpse can appease my meager expectations from it no longer. Good riddance, I dearly hope the feminist propaganda was worth selling out.

 

[BrunoMattei]

Seeing Furlong's John again was pretty neat...for the 5 seconds we see him before he gets gunned down. The worse part is that they dont even try to make it significant, would it kill them to have John and Sarah share a small conversation over what happened the last few years and where they will go now that, until then, Judgement Day had been truly avoided? I dont know, have them actually act like a young boy and his mother enjoying their time at the beach.

This? This is just like Alien 3, they dont even make that much of a big deal about, instead they act like its a checklist to get over it as soon as possible.

"John Connor is dead * yaw.n* Sarah cries over his dead body, cue title card. Where is my pizza?"

SW: ROS and Dark fate deserve to crash and burn

I hit Agree until I read what you said about Alien 3. To each his own about that film, I acknowledge it's divisive. But you can't say "They didn't make a big deal about it." I completely and totally 100% disagree. We see Ripley clearly mourn the loss of both characters. First when she visits the crashed EEV and sees where the crytubes were and how Hicks died. She especially mourns Newt during that scene, the autopsy, and there's a fucking FUNERAL for the characters.

Were you playing on your phone during this scene? I'm sorry but, how could you not notice this? You could say "She wasn't mourning for them the entire time!" That's because a fucking Alien was running around, an immediate threat that needed to be dealt with not to mention the fucking company.

By contrast; we see Sarah Connor just pissed off and resentful rather than mourn. ALSO! Key point right here: this was RIPLEY'S story and not Hicks/Newts unlike the Terminator series where it was definitely Sarah and John's story.

 

[The handsome tard]

I hit Agree until I read what you said about Alien 3. To each his own about that film, I acknowledge it's divisive. But you can't say "They didn't make a big deal about it." I completely and totally 100% disagree. We see Ripley clearly mourn the loss of both characters. First when she visits the crashed EEV and sees where the crytubes were and how Hicks died. She especially mourns Newt during that scene, the autopsy, and there's a fucking FUNERAL for the characters.

Were you playing on your phone during this scene? I'm sorry but, how could you not notice this? You could say "She wasn't mourning for them the entire time!" That's because a fucking Alien was running around, an immediate threat that needed to be dealt with not to mention the fucking company.

By contrast; we see Sarah Connor just pissed off and resentful rather than mourn. ALSO! Key point right here: this was RIPLEY'S story and not Hicks/Newts unlike the Terminator series where it was definitely Sarah and John's story.

First off, calm your tits about Alien 3. I think Alien 3 is an okay film (I actually do prefer it over Alien Ressurection), what I meant about what I said is that we didnt get any proper scenes with them before it happened, they focus too much on the deaths themselves. I honestly think it adds to the claustrophobic nihilistic nature of Alien 3 (which a lot people werent a fan of, understandably). Their deaths didnt contribute anything to the plot, if anything I would have prefered them living or only one of them dying but whatever, this is about Terminator.

 

[BrunoMattei]

First off, calm your tits about Alien 3. I think Alien 3 is an okay film (I actually do prefer it over Alien Ressurection), what I meant about what I said is that we didnt get any proper scenes with them before it happened, they focus too much on the deaths themselves. I honestly think it adds to the claustrophobic nihilistic nature of Alien 3 (which a lot people werent a fan of, understandably). Their deaths didnt contribute anything to the plot, if anything I would have prefered them living or only one of them dying but whatever, this is about Terminator.

Don't talk shit about Alien 3, nigga. All I'm saying. Just comes off as nitpicking to me, I bet if they didn't have the funeral scene you'd say "They didn't spend enough time mourning!" And the deaths did add to the plot! They added to the hopelessness of Ripley, giving her further reason to commit suicide, the Queen embryo was just the icing on the cake. The way the opening scene is constructed is superb, it immediately establishes Fincher's trademark nihilism. Plus they were in cryosleep by the end credits of Aliens so it's fine.

 

[The handsome tard]

I had a rant with my friend the other day on how John's death wouldnt make any sense given what we know and what theorized about the time travel aspect of the franchise.

The whole issue around this third terminator being sent back are, well, the following

1) The beach scene takes place AFTER when Judgement Day was suppose to happen, why would Skynet send one after their ultimate victory? Were they predicting that they would lose even then, get erased and thus send a terminator in the past as a last "fuck you" to John Connor?

2) How come the resistence wasnt aware of a third terminator being sent back? They sent Kyle Reese to face the T-800 and a reprogrammed T-800 to face the T-1000, why didnt they send someone or something to face the third terminator?

3) How come Skynet was able to make so many time travels? I remember how Kyle said how the time travel stuff was a barely functional prototype and that Skynet was on its last stand when they used it. The T-800 was relatively new and the T-1000 was prototype that Skynet decided to risk it all in their second travel.

4) Now its for theorical stuff, if we go with the "cycle" timeline (meaning there is just one and thats it), the future in which Skynet exists is GONE! So any time travel after the events of T2 should have been erased (and before you say that Kyle and the reprogrammed T-800 also would, I theorize that since their destinations were before the end of T2, they were still capable of existing, sort of like the last remanents of a deleted timeline...wait, where did I hear that before?)

5) If we go with the "3 timelines" theory, it doesnt make sense either because, again, the resistance would send a protector or something. Unless Dark Fate is suppose to be a 4th timeline...or something, I dont know, this shit doesnt make sense even if you try to make sense of it.

They just wanted Connor dead and logic be damned about it.

This movie deserves to crash and burn.

 

[AmpleApricots]

Honestly, Terminator 1 was one of a kind and even 2 kinda went off the road in being more of a pew-pew generic hollywood action movie than anything else, it was just very well executed at that. I honestly don't really care about autistic integrity of old memories if killing John takes the entire thing in an interesting direction, but it doesn't really sound like it does. I pulled the camera rip and might watch it, might wait for a better one, tho.