Terminator: Dark Fate - Cause we need another one of these apparently.

[Poe-Shen Zcela]

Dear God! What did I just watch? Not only were the leaks true, they fucking killed off John Connor! I can't believe it but it is what it is. Even if they wanted to change the story and create new characters; killing John Connor was just wrong to do.

They finally did it:

There's a more complete version here from the same guy's YT channel.

He didnt have creative input on the project. BUT because they paid him he will say he did and say he thinks this is JUST GREAT [because he doesnt have the time to make a Terminator flick]

No, he was definitely a part of the writer's room. He handed the 5 of them a story treatment and they worked with it from there, reviewing it with him as they went along. Even before that, he sat down with Ellison & Miller and brainstormed what the movie would be about. I'm sure notes went back and forth between him and the Story Group writers' room throughout the production of Dark Fate:

That intrigue snowballed into engaged interest and then intensifying enthusiasm. Then the big question was about cast: What about Hamilton and Schwarzenegger? Cameron and Ellison huddled with Tim Miller, the Deadpool director who had already been brought aboard to helm the next Terminator film (when the plan was a sequel to Terminator Genisys from 2017) and the three gnawed away at the possibilities. A quick consensus formed: everyone wanted the return of Sarah Connor but only if Hamilton returned to play the part herself.

So at the very least, he signed off on killing John Connor in the first 2 minutes, not even the first 5 minutes. We didn't even get to hear them talk.

This is the most shameless, barebones bait-and-switch tactic I've ever seen carried out in a film in recent memory. The whiplash in theatres is gonna be traumatic for some thinking they'll finally get to see Eddie Furlong's John again.

Honestly, Terminator 1 was one of a kind and even 2 kinda went off the road in being more of a pew-pew generic hollywood action movie than anything else, it was just very well executed at that. I honestly don't really care about autistic integrity of old memories if killing John takes the entire thing in an interesting direction, but it doesn't really sound like it does. I pulled the camera rip and might watch it, might wait for a better one, tho.

Where do you go after shotgunning 11-year-old John in the chest, 2 minutes into your movie?

 

[Thank Fuck For Evil Otto]

Every movie that comes out the original happy ending to T2 looks better and better. And that might as well be the 'real' ending to me since they've made it trivially easy to disregard every movie after T2.

That would be the perfect spot for a Bill & Ted 'Bogus Journey' cross-over. Sort of cross-fade the silly New Jack futuristic beginning of that movie over that happy ending of T2, That's the sequel we deserve! Station vs a T-1000; T-800 vs Evil Robot Ussiz; Death as the wisecracking wingman.

 

[nosemouth]

The stuff with the border patrol is fucking hilarious, it's like it was written by a bunch of Kotaku "journalists." Also the dialogue is complete dogshit.

 

[Kulee Baba]

This movie does something really impressive, shit's on the amazing bittersweet ending of Terminator 2.

Oh guess what T-800, there was no reason for you to die since more Terminators would go after John Connor. Your disappearance was no benefit whatsoever, if anything it was a hindrance since John gets murdered shortly after.

 

[Manwithn0n0men]

No, he was definitely a part of the writer's room. He handed the 5 of them a story treatment and they worked with it from there, reviewing it with him as they went along. Even before that, he sat down with Ellison & Miller and brainstormed what the movie would be about. I'm sure notes went back and forth between him and the Story Group writers' room throughout the production of Dark Fate:

So he can do that while working on 3 or 4 Avatar movies
And an Alita sequel?

OR its a lie

 

[Gustav Schuchardt]

Mr H's Spoiler review. Definitely not paying to see this.

 

[The handsome tard]

And an Alita sequel?

Im still honestly hoping to god there will be one, tho I do imagine them getting vengeful and killing the series to anger those "reeecist straight white males" on purpose. Trust me, it wouldnt be above them to do this shit just to spite us.

 

[RumblyTumbly]

This movie does something really impressive, shit's on the amazing bittersweet ending of Terminator 2.

I feel like every Terminator sequel since T2 has done that.

Which I why I choose to ignore that any movies after T2 exist.

 

[That Chris Guy]

I feel like every Terminator sequel since T2 has done that.

Which I why I choose to ignore that any movies after T2 exist.

It's true, but at least with all the other ones, John at least lived long enough to be part of the future war. This one doesn't even let him do that. They took away the single most important thing that he was meant to do and gave it to a girl. They might as well have had the T-800 teabag his fresh corpse while they were at it.

 

[Poe-Shen Zcela]

So he can do that while working on 3 or 4 Avatar movies
And an Alita sequel?

OR its a lie

Maybe, but he said it himself: Working on Avatar sequels by day, Alita by night, and Terminator on the weekends. What he's never done is be on the set of Dark Fate, but exchanging notes/phone calls and brainstorming for the initial story meetings? Sure. He's even talking about sequels now:

Remember that it was because of him that Linda Hamilton came back. Clearly he has enough stake in this movie to be pretty involved in it, if only as a producer and not as a director. Gotta make those lemon dollars for his 12 gorillion Avatar sequels.

It'll be really interested to see how this film does in China.

Mr H's Spoiler review. Definitely not paying to see this.

I think in his non-spoiler review he described it as "The Force Awakens + The Last Jedi". Fuck, that's damning.

I love how TheTerminatorFans eviscerated it as well:

EDIT: By the way, it looks like Gint K took down the spoiler videos for TF. Here they are in case anyone still wants them:

Terminator Dark Fate - Opening scene I John Connor death I Edward Furlong I Linda Hamilton.mp4 - AnonFile

anonfile.com

Терминатор Темные Судьбы - Т-800 УБИВАЕТ ДЖОНА КОННОРА на глазах у Сары Коннор.mp4 - AnonFile

anonfile.com

 

[Poe-Shen Zcela]

Have to give props to TheTerminatorFans' Endo Morgan for his excellent non-spoiler written review, which goes into a lot more depth than the video:

TERMINATOR: DARK FATE – Review

TheTerminatorFans.com's review of the theatrical release of Terminator: Dark Fate.

www.theterminatorfans.com

This part stuck out to me:

Many of the problems with TF could easily be attributed to the studios rushing the movie into production – remember, James Cameron was touching up the script the night before the next day’s shoot, the production began without a script and (in some cases) the cast didn’t get a script until the day of shooting and the script was then whisked away. This would clearly have a huge impact on performances of the cast and crew.

I also liked the Tencent jab towards the end.

 

[A Grey Cat]

This movie does something really impressive, shit's on the amazing bittersweet ending of Terminator 2.

Oh guess what T-800, there was no reason for you to die since more Terminators would go after John Connor. Your disappearance was no benefit whatsoever, if anything it was a hindrance since John gets murdered shortly after.

I'm actually watching t2 right now and my God it may be a snapshot of the transition from the 80s to the 90s but they really make you miss those times because of optimistic they looked, the cold war had just ended without any exchange of weapons, rock and roll was back in the game with the new genre called grunge, people especially kids socialized at arcades and malls instead of arguing over social media, oh and even though everyone wore clothes that where baggy and in some cases garish and gaudy, at least they looked like proper boys and girls... mostly

 

[Secret Asshole]

Every movie that comes out the original happy ending to T2 looks better and better. And that might as well be the 'real' ending to me since they've made it trivially easy to disregard every movie after T2.

I agree. The original ending was nice because it was ambiguous as what will happen to both Sarah and John Connor after the defeat of the T-1000. Leaving the future open for a sequel. But now we know the sequels are terrible I like the one where John Connor is fully grown, married with a family. This ending is supported by James Cameron original view that Skynet suffered guilt for Judgement Day and conspired to allow John Connor not only win in the future war against the machines, but in the past, too, where Skynet doesn't exists.

To me, there's no other movie after Terminator 2. I honestly don't give a fuck about any of the other films. Unfortunately Salvation was the closest one we got to future war. I like the idea of the guilt of Skynet as well. But fuck themes, we need to constantly rehash movies over and over and over again for no fucking reason. Fuck Cameron, the Terminator Series ended at T2 for me. Nothing else exists.

First off, calm your tits about Alien 3. I think Alien 3 is an okay film (I actually do prefer it over Alien Ressurection), what I meant about what I said is that we didnt get any proper scenes with them before it happened, they focus too much on the deaths themselves. I honestly think it adds to the claustrophobic nihilistic nature of Alien 3 (which a lot people werent a fan of, understandably). Their deaths didnt contribute anything to the plot, if anything I would have prefered them living or only one of them dying but whatever, this is about Terminator.

You have to remember Alien 3 is the way it was because David Fincher was micromanaged to fucking hell and back by Fox. It was NOT his decision to kill off Newt and Hicks, but the studio's because of the script. At that point, he was a new director and they didn't let him do anything at all, which is why it was a mess. So Fincher isn't to blame for Alien 3, but Fox is. Fincher did his best, but the sequel was basically a studio film with Fincher being fucked with constantly.

 

[Notgoodwithusernames]

I'm not even the biggest terminator fan and I feel fucking insulted

 

[The handsome tard]

You have to remember Alien 3 is the way it was because David Fincher was micromanaged to fucking hell and back by Fox. It was NOT his decision to kill off Newt and Hicks, but the studio's because of the script. At that point, he was a new director and they didn't let him do anything at all, which is why it was a mess. So Fincher isn't to blame for Alien 3, but Fox is. Fincher did his best, but the sequel was basically a studio film with Fincher being fucked with constantly.

I remember watching a small documentary online talking what went wrong with Alien 3 right down to its messy conception (ironically some of the discarded ideas sounded better) and how Fincher was fucked over by the studios constantly like a cheap hoe. He even disowned the movie when it came out, already knowing people would hate it. At least the Assembly cut is slightly better, like, if you NEED to watch Alien 3, make sure its that version, you will be getting the best out of a bad deal.

 

[A Grey Cat]

I remember watching a small documentary online talking what went wrong with Alien 3 right down to its messy conception (ironically some of the discarded ideas sounded better) and how Fincher was fucked over by the studios constantly like a cheap hoe. He even disowned the movie when it came out, already knowing people would hate it. At least the Assembly cut is slightly better, like, if you NEED to watch Alien 3, make sure its that version, you will be getting the best out of a bad deal.

Much like how t2 should have been the final Terminator film, alien 3 should have been the final alien film, but Hollywood just can't let anything rest in peace wether it goes out with a bang and was awesome like t2 or was a hollow whimper that could have been better.

 

[The handsome tard]

Much like how t2 should have been the final Terminator film, alien 3 should have been the final alien film, but Hollywood just can't let anything rest in peace wether it goes out with a bang and was awesome like t2 or was a hollow whimper that could have been better.

I will correct you on that, Aliens should have been the final alien movie, it was pretty conclusive, to the point the sequel had to cheat to make its plot work.

Huh...its weird how both Alien and Terminator 3 had to cheat to undo the endings of the previous movies.

Funny how that works.

 

[A Grey Cat]

I will correct you on that, Aliens should have been the final alien movie, it was pretty conclusive, to the point the sequel had to cheat to make its plot work.

Huh...its weird how both Alien and Terminator 3 had to cheat to undo the endings of the previous movies.

Funny how that works.

Eh fair enough, alien 3 might not be a good ending but at least it tried to end the series conclusively for good. And unlike Terminator at least the alien series had the potential to be brought back in the future only without Ellen and the baggage from the previous films. Something more based off the dark horse comics or even the AVP movies we SHOULD have gotten.

 

[Dom Cruise]

Alien 3 is a really weird case because I think it's mostly a bad movie, but there are some decent elements, it's got a good cast for starters, I can appreciate the grimy feel of it, it's an interesting contrast from the sleeker sci fi of the first two movies.

But while there are aspects I like I still choose to ignore it and like Terminator pretend the series ended with the second movie, the aliens were all blown up, where did they come from? Well, it's a big universe, who says we'll ever know? And Ripley, Newt and Hicks lived together happily ever after, end of story.


Anyway, I watched Dave Cullen's review of Dark Fate link and he talks about the "anti-natalist" themes of the movie, just the overall third wave feminist garbage.

I find it really disturbing how despicable, how really genuinely evil the morals Hollywood is presenting these days are, this kind of garbage is what's really being promoted by big Hollywood blockbusters? That it's wrong or doesn't matter if women have children? That to be "feminist" means turning women into men and vilifying anything that's actually feminine? Think of how twisted and bizarre that mentality is and yet it's being promoted by mass media?

It's like imagine if every movie started promoting Scientologist ideals, that's basically what's going on, feminism is an evil cult that is hijacking our culture.

I'm actually watching t2 right now and my God it may be a snapshot of the transition from the 80s to the 90s but they really make you miss those times because of optimistic they looked, the cold war had just ended without any exchange of weapons, rock and roll was back in the game with the new genre called grunge, people especially kids socialized at arcades and malls instead of arguing over social media, oh and even though everyone wore clothes that where baggy and in some cases garish and gaudy, at least they looked like proper boys and girls... mostly

I've always been fascinated by that transitional period from the 80s the 90s, it's such a cool era.

 

[Manwithn0n0men]

Anyway, I watched Dave Cullen's review of Dark Fate link and he talks about the "anti-natalist" themes of the movie, just the overall third wave feminist garbage.

I find it really disturbing how despicable, how really genuinely evil the morals Hollywood is presenting these days are, this kind of garbage is what's really being promoted by big Hollywood blockbusters? That it's wrong or doesn't matter if women have children? That to be "feminist" means turning women into men and vilifying anything that's actually feminine? Think of how twisted and bizarre that mentality is and yet it's being promoted by mass media?

It's like imagine if every movie started promoting Scientologist ideals, that's basically what's going on, feminism is an evil cult that is hijacking our culture.

Also

If the Mexican chick is the John Conner and not the Sarah...then it means the new Judgement day is coming sooner rather then later. Which makes the story dumber