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One of the fun things about driving an EV is trip planning. I usually use a website called "A Better Route Planner" which does a pretty good job. The problem is it loves to use Tesla chargers, even when there's something faster in the same place.
I'm working on my Thanksgiving trip, as flying seems to be out due to weather. So, I load my usual route, with a couple preferred chargers, it says ok, you need one more charge, here's a Tesla charger. So, I zoom in, oh, look, not-Tesla 3 blocks away and much faster for my truck. Then I load a different website which just does chargers, and set it to fast-as-possible and look around. 30 miles down the road they just put in my favorite brand charger at a truck stop, so I change to that one.
The problem I find is many Tesla and other older chargers tend to be near grocery stores or fast-food. And I hate using restrooms at those kind of places, especially if I don't need anything. But a truck stop it's expected you're just there for fuel so I don't feel bad. And they're less likely to lock the toilets like in some/many California grocery stores and fast food places these days.
Anyway, trip planned. 12-ish hours including charging, not including side trips to Bass Pro Shop or IKEA.
 
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Stellantis recalls 375,000 Jeep SUVs over fire risks, urges owners to park outside​

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November 4, 20259:38 AM MSTUpdated November 4, 2025


WASHINGTON, Nov 4 (Reuters) - Stellantis said Tuesday it is recalling 375,000 plug-in hybrid Jeep Wrangler and Grand Cherokee SUVs worldwide over battery failure after 19 reports of fires, and urged owners to park outdoors until a fix is completed.
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A NIO EC6 splits apart after crashing into a concrete barrier, and it's trying to be spinned as a good thing, because it didn't catch fire and the occupants were not injured: / Archive

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That's really showcasing the Chinesium at work, since Nissan Altimas get into crashes much more severe than this, and yet they don't literally split in half.
 
DavidS877 said:
One of the fun things about driving an EV is trip planning. I usually use a website called "A Better Route Planner" which does a pretty good job. The problem is it loves to use Tesla chargers, even when there's something faster in the same place.
I'm working on my Thanksgiving trip, as flying seems to be out due to weather. So, I load my usual route, with a couple preferred chargers, it says ok, you need one more charge, here's a Tesla charger. So, I zoom in, oh, look, not-Tesla 3 blocks away and much faster for my truck. Then I load a different website which just does chargers, and set it to fast-as-possible and look around. 30 miles down the road they just put in my favorite brand charger at a truck stop, so I change to that one.
The problem I find is many Tesla and other older chargers tend to be near grocery stores or fast-food. And I hate using restrooms at those kind of places, especially if I don't need anything. But a truck stop it's expected you're just there for fuel so I don't feel bad. And they're less likely to lock the toilets like in some/many California grocery stores and fast food places these days.
Anyway, trip planned. 12-ish hours including charging, not including side trips to Bass Pro Shop or IKEA.
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See, the need to plan really any longer trip around charging stations and where they are would be a massive negative for me. It's something I recently realised trying to explain to LinkedIn-EV-zealots why efficiency of the electric motor isn't the only important metric, and why sometimes one does actually need more than 400 km range. There's always this argument that goes like "Oh well, there are charging stations everywhere on the highway, and if you don't have a charger at home you just charge it while you're shopping" and so on. But what means, in the end, is that for my personal car usage profile I'll have to structure my life around charging the car. I can't spontaneously take the car without having to plan ahead on where and when to charge, because a longer trip that will require a full charge will be coming up. The electric car then stops being a tool, a mode of transport, and becomes a lifestyle choice. Yes, it can all work. But it's expensive, extremely cumbersome, and will yield me a car that will make me puke every time I sit inside it. It's not a car, it's a lifestyle, and it's a lifestyle I simply do not want.
 
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It's something I recently realised trying to explain to LinkedIn-EV-zealots why efficiency of the electric motor isn't the only important metric, and why sometimes one does actually need more than 400 km range. There's always this argument that goes like "Oh well, there are charging stations everywhere on the highway, and if you don't have a charger at home you just charge it while you're shopping" and so on. But what means, in the end, is that for my personal car usage profile I'll have to structure my life around charging the car.
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Exactly. Having a short range car and not being able to charge at home is a stupid way to do things. But as you've found these people are on social media going "EV for everything" and then in small letters "Oh, yea, I have a gas car for taking trips."

It's only feasible for me to have one car because it has a 675 km range and I can charge at home. My weekly trip would barely fit in a 400 km range and less so if I added any additional stops. The monthly trip to the big city(tm) would require charging.

But yea, I don't have to do any daily planning, just for the longest trips and then it adds maybe 10 minutes per stop over a normal rest/snack stop. I can't imagine doing it on a shorter range EV especially if I had to stop and charge before I left.

The other social media one I love is "Oh, just plug it into a wall outlet." For me on 120v US power that would mean a 0-100% charge time of 6 days.

Much like the "Fuckcars" people they don't have any concept of how people actually use cars. If you're rich and can afford 2 cars, sure, or if you're like me and everything lines up perfectly. For the rest of the people there's gas or hybrid.
 
People have been cancelling their Xiaomi car preorders for reasons such as extremely long wait times (30-50 weeks for delivery), and numerous quality issues with them:


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And Chinese auto makers continue to lose money with the EV market becoming oversaturated with way too much production, and avenues for selling them overseas are shrinking due to US and EU tariffs, as well as other reasons such as Russians rejecting them because they have major issues running in Russia's harsh winters:


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More good news about electric vehicles.
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LAKE VIEW TERRACE, LOS ANGELES (KABC) -- A Los Angeles Unified School District EV school bus burst into flames on Wednesday in Lake View Terrace.

No kids were on board when the bus caught fire under the 210 Freeway shortly before 9:30 a.m. The burning bus prompted area roads and freeway ramps to close.

Hazmat crews monitored air quality and water runoff because the bus was powered by lithium ion batteries.

The driver was taken to the hospital to be treated for minor smoke inhalation.

The cause of the fire was under investigation.
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VinFast is starting to close down some of their dealerships in the US, shrinking their already miniscule dealership network even further: / Archive

VinFast’s retail network has shrunk to fewer than two dozen stores, reversing its U.S. expansion, with a Holman dealer in North Carolina the latest to exit the brand.

The store closures come amid sinking U.S. sales for the Vietnamese EV maker, which has fallen behind on plans to import less expensive models as its focus shifts to Asian markets.

Two years ago, VinFast envisioned hundreds of dealers selling a full EV lineup, including a pickup. It now offers just two models in the U.S.: the VF 8 crossover, starting at $41,100, and the three-row VF 9, starting at $64,100, both including shipping.

“VinFast just didn’t find a good enough connection with consumers to get them interested,” said Stephanie Brinley, an analyst at S&P Global Mobility.

VinFast also is facing higher import tariffs this year and the loss of the $7,500 EV tax credit that helped subsidize its lease deals.

“The U.S. is one of the hardest markets to crack because we’ve got so many automakers already,” said Karl Brauer, executive analyst at iSeeCars.com. “This is like a 20-year, 30-year investment if you’re serious about the market.”

Closures and service support​

Two VinFast dealers closed in the past six months — one in July and one in November — and a third will exit sales at year end.

Leith VinFast, a Holman store in Cary, N.C., will cease sales operations Dec. 31, Holman said in an email.

The store was VinFast’s first U.S. franchised dealership, opening in early 2024. At the time, VinFast was planning a nearby assembly plant, but later put that initiative on hold.

Holman will continue to provide warranty support for VinFast customers, the company said. It called the closure a “difficult decision” but did not elaborate.

Holman VinFast in Fort Lauderdale, Fla., its other store, ended sales July 31, according to its website. Service for VinFast customers will continue, it said.

Another Florida VinFast dealer, Tom Bush VinFast of Jacksonville, suspended operations in mid-November. It cited “a broader strategic realignment” of its brands in a message on its website.

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In addition to the closures, some VinFast stores on the automaker’s online dealer locator appear to be inactive.

A VinFast store in Kentucky, VinFast of Bowling Green, was listed as temporarily closed on Google’s search page in early December. The store’s website responded with an error message.

The Bowling Green Daily News reported in September 2024 that the VinFast store had opened the prior month under the umbrella of Gary Force Honda.

Of the 22 VinFast retailers on the automaker’s dealer locator, only 17 listed inventory for sale. Most had 15 or fewer vehicles in stock, a review of their websites showed in early December.

Sandy Sansing VinFast of Pensacola, Fla., had a single new VinFast in stock, a 2024 VF 8 crossover with a price of $52,910, according to its website.

One of the nonoperational stores, DeMontrond Vinfast of Conroe, Texas, had a “coming soon” message on its website. VinFast said in April 2024 that it signed DeMontrond for two locations.

The second store, DeMontrond VinFast of North Houston, was labeled as “coming soon” on VinFast’s dealer locator.

Another dealership in Texas, VinFast Austin, was also listed as “coming soon” on VinFast’s U.S. webpage. That was also the case for VinFast Philadelphia.

One dealer not listed on VinFast’s store locator, Bert Ogden VinFast in Harlingen, Texas, had 10 new vehicles for sale in early December. Prices ranged from $47,312 for a 2025 VF 8 to $77,873 for a 2024 VF 9.

Several dealers contacted for comment didn’t respond to email and phone messages.

VinFast didn’t provide an updated U.S. dealer count in response to an email from Automotive News.

“VinFast currently has a presence in 13 states across the U.S., including California, New York, Texas and Florida. We are actively expanding our dealership network, with a particular focus on California,” the automaker said in late November.
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VinFast said it was committed to its warranty obligations in response to a question about the November store closure.

“Tom Bush VinFast will continue to be part of our VinFast network, providing after-sales service, including warranty repairs,” VinFast said. The automaker provides a 10-year, 125,000-mile warranty with unlimited mileage for the battery.

VinFast’s presence in the U.S.​

VinFast dealership shutdowns coincided with a 57 percent drop in U.S. registrations through October from a year earlier to 1,413 vehicles, according to the latest data from S&P Global Mobility.

In contrast, overall electric vehicle sales rose 11 percent in the same period to over 1.1 million vehicles. The data includes only new battery-electric vehicles and not hybrids.

VinFast began direct sales in California in early 2023 before recruiting franchised dealers later that year.

VinFast said in November 2023 that it expected to sign 125 dealers to start, with hopes for hundreds by the end of 2024.

In April this year, VinFast said it had 38 signed dealers and would close its 15 company-owned stores in California, which it had continued to operate during the transition to third-party retailers.

By August, VinFast’s store count was “nearly 30 authorized dealerships” in 14 states, with one in California.

On its third-quarter earnings call Nov. 21, VinFast chairwoman Thuy Thu Le was asked about dealership closures in the U.S. and VinFast’s efforts to support its retailers.

“Given the tariff situation and the instability in the EV market, we just need to see how that settles before we kind of push hard in the U.S.,” Thuy said.

“Until we see some growth and stability in the U.S. market, we don’t intend to open more dealerships. Instead, we cultivate the relationship with the existing dealers and make sure they can get to profitability faster,” Thuy said.

Globally, VinFast delivered 110,362 vehicles in the first nine months of the year, a 149 percent rise from the same period a year earlier, Thuy said. Most sales were in Vietnam, but VinFast is investing in India, Indonesia and the Philippines, she said.

VinFast reported a third-quarter net loss of $953 million. Its stock price is down 78 percent since listing shares in August 2023.

“At the very least, it would seem VinFast is doing a reassessment and is reconsidering what it wants to do in this country,” Brauer said of its U.S. operations. “I don’t know how anyone producing electric cars right now can be optimistic.”
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Following Canoo's bankruptcy earlier this year, NASA and the USPS will stop using their vans. / Archive

NASA and the USPS are no longer using Canoo’s futuristic electric vans, according to TechCrunch. NASA had purchased three of the bankrupt startup’s EVs in 2023 to use them as shuttles for astronauts participating in the Artemis missions to the moon.

Now, though, the space agency said that Canoo is “no longer able to meet our mission requirements,” and that it is instead leasing the Airstream-built Astrovan from Boeing. The vehicle, which is based on a combustion-powered Mercedes-Benz Sprinter, was commissioned by Boeing for its own crewed space missions.

At the same time, the United States Postal Service said in an email to TechCrunch that the six Canoo EVs it bought “for evaluation purposes” last year are now sitting unused. The postal service didn’t detail what would happen to the canned electric vans, but said that the “ evaluation has been completed” and “no further investments are anticipated.”

At least one more demonstration vehicle was provided to the Department of Defense, but the DOD did not respond to requests about what happened to the vehicle. The United Kingdom’s postal service, the Royal Mail, also began testing two Canoo EVs and had planned to buy 2,000 units, but there’s no word on what happened to the trial vehicles.

Founded in 2017, Canoo’s plan seemed solid. It developed a skateboard chassis that could accommodate various top hats, from minivans to rugged dual-cab pickups. The idea even drew interest from Hyundai, which wanted to team up with the startup to jointly develop an EV platform.

At its peak, the company employed 800 people, but it all started going downhill after the loans went dry and profits never materialized. Last year, big workforce cuts went into effect, and the startup declared bankruptcy in January 2025. In April, the bankruptcy judge approved the sale of the company’s assets to Tony Aquila, who was the startup’s CEO and one of its main investors.

It’s unclear what will happen to the unused Canoo EVs. Maybe they will one day pop up for sale at a government auction, or they’ll disappear forever by way of the crusher.
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And a Xiaomi SU7 dips its front bumper into water during an autonomous parking attempt: / Archive


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Xiaomi CEO Lei Jun attempted to demonstrate its sentry mode, but the hood opened on its own, and in another livestream, a streamer attempted to demonstrate the phone and car connectivity, but it didn't work. Xiaomi got those videos deleted from China:


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And Chinese EVs are still catching on fire, and more parking lots are banning EVs due to fire risks:


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The Ugly One said:
I don't think so. Let's just say he gets Optimus kind of mostly working. What you now have is a luxury item--a luxury because there is absolutely nothing this thing does that is necessary--that will cost about as much as a car. There is no way they will get this under $30K, and I wouldn't be surprised to see a price tag closer to $50K. Keep in mind what high-end home appliances cost. A washing machine can cost $2K, and a fridge can cost $10K. No, you're not building & supporting a robot for the price of a shitty Maytag. This is aside from the durability. Tesla needs to sell tens millions of these things every year to justify its share price. They're going to sell maybe tens of thousands if they're lucky.
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Our Bosch was over $2400….
 
Uber driver reviewer said:
180k miles and still on original battery, motors, and brakes on my 2022 model 3. Smoked a Porsche cayanne S today. It’s nice to have the car pre-heat itself in the garage before I head out in single digit weather…..
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Why do you keep coming into the Tesla hate thread, telling everyone you're a faggot?
You'll probably 'smoke' my Aston too, but one car is desirable, fun to drive nad holds it's value, the other one is a single party piece washing machine.
Nobody put a photo of a Tesla on their bedroom wall.
 
A Xiaomi SU7 driver reversed into a sales employee, after Xiaomi CEO Lei Jun proclaimed the car's rear AEB system, and other people have done tests which show that Xiaomi's AEB system doesn't work. Also, the hoods and bumper beam are made of the thinnest metal:


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Thiletonomics said:
Chinese automakers like BYD and Chery have been mass dumping EVs in parking lots in Australia, presumably to be used as mass walking spycams, and lithium-ion bombs:


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Got a less glownigger source? most of these chinkslop channels are run by cianiggers just like tankienigger channels are run by the chicom
DavidS877 said:
One of the fun things about driving an EV is trip planning. I usually use a website called "A Better Route Planner" which does a pretty good job. The problem is it loves to use Tesla chargers, even when there's something faster in the same place.
I'm working on my Thanksgiving trip, as flying seems to be out due to weather. So, I load my usual route, with a couple preferred chargers, it says ok, you need one more charge, here's a Tesla charger. So, I zoom in, oh, look, not-Tesla 3 blocks away and much faster for my truck. Then I load a different website which just does chargers, and set it to fast-as-possible and look around. 30 miles down the road they just put in my favorite brand charger at a truck stop, so I change to that one.
The problem I find is many Tesla and other older chargers tend to be near grocery stores or fast-food. And I hate using restrooms at those kind of places, especially if I don't need anything. But a truck stop it's expected you're just there for fuel so I don't feel bad. And they're less likely to lock the toilets like in some/many California grocery stores and fast food places these days.
Anyway, trip planned. 12-ish hours including charging, not including side trips to Bass Pro Shop or IKEA.
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Isnt super fast charging bad for the battery?
 
Cool Dog Returns said:
Got a less glownigger source? most of these chinkslop channels are run by cianiggers just like tankienigger channels are run by the chicom

Isnt super fast charging bad for the battery?
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Yes, yet another reason that having an EV without a charger at home, or maybe a slow charger at work, is dumb.
But using six once a month for a long trip isn't going to be a problem.
 
 
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