Tesla Hate Thread - oh and come seethe about EVs in general with me

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That's objectively the worst thing possible for an engine, start-stop shit is always bad.

Also, regarding fuel costs, this video is genuinely interesting and appears to show the true potential of a fucking carburetor.
Now, if dyno results show that this is a viable way to keep power + get insane fuel economy equivalent to an older hybrid vehicle (nearly 40MPG on a v8 engine), that would just completely nullify all of this niggertech shit on ICEs today, just imagine if this dude was able to get 40mpg on a v8 engine, just think about a v6, i6, i4 or i3 engine (assuming there ever was an i3 engine that was carbureted).
If dyno results show that power is still there with that carbureted engine getting insane mpg, then that dude needs to release any and all specs asap before he gets killed like the guy that invented an ICE that runs on water (not hydrogen, just plain water).
The 100mpg carburetor is a boomer old wives tale. It keeps getting repeated over and over again. Makes a good story for old fat guys to impress themselves but holy shit is it tired and dumb

Did Tesla ever reduce the prices of their cars? All I keep seeing is Tesla car prices going up, because Elon Musk wanted a larger snobbery fee for their cars.


And that's when some EVs are going down in price, i.e. the 2023 MY Chevrolet Bolt EV and EUV getting $5-6k price cuts. And the Nissan Leaf is getting some visual updates for the 2023 MY model, and the price remains unchanged from the 2022's price cuts.
Yea. After the tax credits expired for Tesla, they dropped prices. Model S had a few small cuts as well (obviously raises since then)

They also included more content for same price a number of times.

Well fuck, I was hoping that it would be almost the equivalent to getting an ICE rebuilt to peak efficiency at the very least, being about $5k or just an engine swap you can DIY for less than $1k or pay someone to do it for about $2k for the engine + labor. So it seems I'll just stick to an ICE for the rest of my life until niggertech stops (which will be never it's looking like).
Eventually it will be like this. Once the market is EV dominant for some time. Junkyards will do the initial sorting and classing of subassemblies destined for recycling. As far as pricing, EV’s seem to target the median competitor in the segment plus 3 years of fuel costs. That will change as the technology Matures.

But cars are now disposable no matter how much you wish that they were not. It’s been like this for 40 years for some manufacturers like GM and Chrysler.

But people still manage to keep some old 93 park avenue or 03 Altima running as depressing poverty junkers that probably just keep their owners poor from having to constantly repair them or lost wages from not being able to get to work. Been there, done that, lucky I got out from
Under that vicious cycle


The EV market is still very young.
Outside of Tesla and a very small handful of competitors that miss the mark, there are no viable EV’s in mass production that can really dent ICE sales. Only dorks and cheapskates buy Bolts and you’re retarded for buying a rivian etc that are barely out of prototype production.
 
I’ll add that the best part of these cars is how big mad they make some people. Boomers hate them until recently ( because they suddenly see Musk as the big Lib pwner in chief). But they forget that when they are out in their corvettes or classic American 50’s-70’s ego cars. Truck modder guys in their 20’s also hate the things because they all act like they have little dicks and have to speed, blast black diesel smoke, and make noise everywhere and challenge anyone driving a different brand of truck to assert truck brand dominance. The other demographic that gets triggered by teslas are people like Mersh who drive 15 year old BMW s or moddd older turbo VW’s / Audis. If they see you take off hard, they have to drive like maniacs to try to pace you closely and try to prove something. Cope and sneed. I’ll just let autopilot take over or pass you and five other cars the next time traffic slows and permits.

But in city and town traffic, on-ramps etc, you will be faster than pretty much anything that isn’t specifically designed as a performance vehicle,




Agreed.


One of the things that pushed me over the edge to an EV was not wanting to deal with engine shutoff management. Those systems are terrible for the car, and I believe that supposed positive environmental impact is debatable in real world conditions. Very few cars lack this feature these days,
I drive a compact car. I have rarely ever gone full throttle to accelerate as hard as I could on an on-ramp or wherever. I don't drag race and my genitals are average-sized, so why would I care about all the acceleration? Yes, it's cool and all, but I never missed being able to accelerate twice as hard.
I still like the idea of EVs, even though they're absolutely not suitable for me atm (no parking space at home, no charger at work, at mot I could charge at a supermarket nearby). But then again, I absolutely hate what Tesla did to interior design with cars and I do not want to drive anything like that. Most likely I'll drive down my current car until it's a pile of junk and never get another one because by then everything will be banned, anyway.
Oh, I also hate that Tesla made Apple-style fanboyism despite absolutely garbage business practices suitable for the car world. The fact that Tesla can still turn off features in the car you bought used is garbage, the fact that they think the steering yoke is not a steering joke and fans will pretend like it's cool to take a month to get used to your objectively worse steering mechanism, it's all fucking bullshit and more than reason enough for me to not buy a Tesla.

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I'd get a Luka EV. Other than that I'll hope for retrofit kits once battery tech is better.
 
I drive a compact car. I have rarely ever gone full throttle to accelerate as hard as I could on an on-ramp or wherever. I don't drag race and my genitals are average-sized, so why would I care about all the acceleration? Yes, it's cool and all, but I never missed being able to accelerate twice as hard.
I still like the idea of EVs, even though they're absolutely not suitable for me atm (no parking space at home, no charger at work, at mot I could charge at a supermarket nearby). But then again, I absolutely hate what Tesla did to interior design with cars and I do not want to drive anything like that. Most likely I'll drive down my current car until it's a pile of junk and never get another one because by then everything will be banned, anyway.
Oh, I also hate that Tesla made Apple-style fanboyism despite absolutely garbage business practices suitable for the car world. The fact that Tesla can still turn off features in the car you bought used is garbage, the fact that they think the steering yoke is not a steering joke and fans will pretend like it's cool to take a month to get used to your objectively worse steering mechanism, it's all fucking bullshit and more than reason enough for me to not buy a Tesla.

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I'd get a Luka EV. Other than that I'll hope for retrofit kits once battery tech is better.
Interesting point you bring up, EVs can be remotely shut down a LOT easier than an ICE ever could, especially with all of them being connected to the IoT, the literal dumbest fucking shit for any device/appliance. Banning all cars in the far off future could be possible, but hopefully all countries collapse and never recover, then we could restart shit properly like having proper public transport without subcreatures (niggers, jews, etc).
 
Interesting point you bring up, EVs can be remotely shut down a LOT easier than an ICE ever could, especially with all of them being connected to the IoT, the literal dumbest fucking shit for any device/appliance. Banning all cars in the far off future could be possible, but hopefully all countries collapse and never recover, then we could restart shit properly like having proper public transport without subcreatures (niggers, jews, etc).
Yeah, I would not want my car equipped with some wireless modem that has access to the ECU.
 
And yet people defend this shit just so they can go "look at how fast I can accelerate into the ass end of that semi in front of me, then proceed to do a no turn signal lane switch like a jackass".
Well to be fair, the turn signals are odd to use on the steering joke.
 
Elon must have realized he's fucked ever since Biden got in office. Tesla went from an 80% EV marketshare under Donny to 70% this quarter and its before the rest of the companies really begin their roll out, Tesla is as popular as it is because of having a Netflix-esque first mover advantage. like Elon has said, most EVs of the era seemed like they were deliberately made to be uglier and harder to use compared to regular cars. Tesla looks like a lower luxury car. or a high end nissan, its not the car of weirdos like the EV car Uncle Eddie drove on Grounded for Life.

its only last year that companies have actually mass produced cars that don't look like the equivalent of an autistic person. the Volt/Bolt/Leaf look like they know a lot about sonic and were a massive hassle to use anywhere. Tesla really made sure it had a charging network and expanded to the point that it is only as difficult to drive around the US now as it would have been in an ICE car in the 1960s, they also have the equivalent mileage you'd expect from that era of cars, but with much less of a maintenance hassle.

TPTB would never actually let infrastructure handle the massive influx of EVs, brown outs for the non-millionaires.

But yes, if this was a Scorsese-esque film about the rise and fall. we'd be in the start of the fall era. the netflix comparison is extremely apt. Tesla and netflix weren't household names in the 2000s but anyone tech savy knew them and liked them, and then they really broke out in the 2010s to going from supplemental businesses to the kings of a new industry they pioneered. but the 2020s will destroy them both because the competition finally will overtake them.

Musk's antics have overshadowed his business for awhile but as Oliver said a few years back he was the only game in town for green industry, despite his social media persona when forced to go over the numbers he really can have graduate level discussions about the details that go into his products.

we all know its bullshit but Musk's stated mission statement of Tesla as proving that EV cars can work proved to have been accomplished. people forget but 18 years ago, people scoffed at the idea of electric cars as anything more than a failed gimmick, and 18 years from now they'll be the only type of car available.
Eventually it will be like this. Once the market is EV dominant for some time. Junkyards will do the initial sorting and classing of subassemblies destined for recycling. As far as pricing, EV’s seem to target the median competitor in the segment plus 3 years of fuel costs. That will change as the technology Matures.

But cars are now disposable no matter how much you wish that they were not. It’s been like this for 40 years for some manufacturers like GM and Chrysler.

But people still manage to keep some old 93 park avenue or 03 Altima running as depressing poverty junkers that probably just keep their owners poor from having to constantly repair them or lost wages from not being able to get to work. Been there, done that, lucky I got out from
Under that vicious cycle


The EV market is still very young.
Outside of Tesla and a very small handful of competitors that miss the mark, there are no viable EV’s in mass production that can really dent ICE sales. Only dorks and cheapskates buy Bolts and you’re retarded for buying a rivian etc that are barely out of prototype production.
you're a retard. the average ICE car age is about 18 years, its not only disposable but old enough to fuck. its basically a given now that the first 100k miles aren't even a problem, you can very easily get bumper to bumper warranties for the first 100k from most dealerships. the next 100k is a bit rougher but overall any car from the 2009 should very easily make it to 200k+ without shitting the bed.

and let's be honest the illegals will be driving ICE cars until the 2090s, no other law affects non-whites in this fucking country why would they give a fuck about them driving ice cars when they don't care about them not following any other driving laws?

2030 model years will very easily last for 30 years too. cars in the current model year can get 300k warranties bumper to bumper from places if you can find the dealers. but once you take out the recalls that you'd be forced to get for your car there isn't much keeping them from going the distance in the modern age.
 
What I hate about Tesla's and EV's in general? They're shilled as being "green" somehow when really the only advantage they have over conventional cars is not putting emissions into the air. Never mind the fact that the production of the electronics requires rare earth minerals, the acquisition of which we outsource to other countries to do in the most destructive, earth-raping way possible. Never mind the fact that car dependent infrastructure and suburban sprawl is both fiscally unsustainable for towns and cities and trash for the environment (parking lots alone use up an OBSCENE amount of land). Never mind the fact that these miserably heavy pieces of shit are not only more dangerous to everyone around them, but will wear-and-tear down roads even faster than conventional vehicles.

I like cars, cars are cool. They're some things and some places I can only do or go with a car. I don't like everyone in the country being hopelessly dependent on a fucking car every day to accomplish the most basic of tasks. EV's are a bandaid on a bullet wound compared to the far better "greener" alternative of reducing car dependency and improving infrastructure for public transportation, cycling, or even just fucking WALKING.
 
Never mind the fact that car dependent infrastructure and suburban sprawl is both fiscally unsustainable for towns and cities and trash for the environment (parking lots alone use up an OBSCENE amount of land). Never mind the fact that these miserably heavy pieces of shit are not only more dangerous to everyone around them, but will wear-and-tear down roads even faster than conventional vehicles.

I like cars, cars are cool. They're some things and some places I can only do or go with a car. I don't like everyone in the country being hopelessly dependent on a fucking car every day to accomplish the most basic of tasks. EV's are a bandaid on a bullet wound compared to the far better "greener" alternative of reducing car dependency and improving infrastructure for public transportation, cycling, or even just fucking WALKING.
LOL. The fix would be to make cities not urban hellholes. You know, a place where a middle class family might want to live. We choose to run away from those places because, well, hellhole. Take Detroit for instance. Had zero issues with normal, well to do people living and working there. Then what happened? Hellhole.

Fix your cities first, then we can talk about maybe moving in closer.
 
I like cars, cars are cool. They're some things and some places I can only do or go with a car. I don't like everyone in the country being hopelessly dependent on a fucking car every day to accomplish the most basic of tasks. EV's are a bandaid on a bullet wound compared to the far better "greener" alternative of reducing car dependency and improving infrastructure for public transportation, cycling, or even just fucking WALKING.

It also doesn't help, when cities and states try to create mass transit methods, but do it in the absolute worse way, i.e. HART (the Oahu rail project) in Hawai'i, which has been delayed even more than Duke Nukem Forever and Cyberpunk 2077 combined. When Hawai'i manages to out California California, after Cali axed their high-speed rail project, that will usually end in tears.

And Car And Driver posted this sick burn review about the Cybertruck, as in the remote-control toy version.
 
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Elon must have realized he's fucked ever since Biden got in office. Tesla went from an 80% EV marketshare under Donny to 70% this quarter and its before the rest of the companies really begin their roll out, Tesla is as popular as it is because of having a Netflix-esque first mover advantage. like Elon has said, most EVs of the era seemed like they were deliberately made to be uglier and harder to use compared to regular cars. Tesla looks like a lower luxury car. or a high end nissan, its not the car of weirdos like the EV car Uncle Eddie drove on Grounded for Life.

its only last year that companies have actually mass produced cars that don't look like the equivalent of an autistic person. the Volt/Bolt/Leaf look like they know a lot about sonic and were a massive hassle to use anywhere. Tesla really made sure it had a charging network and expanded to the point that it is only as difficult to drive around the US now as it would have been in an ICE car in the 1960s, they also have the equivalent mileage you'd expect from that era of cars, but with much less of a maintenance hassle.

TPTB would never actually let infrastructure handle the massive influx of EVs, brown outs for the non-millionaires.

But yes, if this was a Scorsese-esque film about the rise and fall. we'd be in the start of the fall era. the netflix comparison is extremely apt. Tesla and netflix weren't household names in the 2000s but anyone tech savy knew them and liked them, and then they really broke out in the 2010s to going from supplemental businesses to the kings of a new industry they pioneered. but the 2020s will destroy them both because the competition finally will overtake them.

Musk's antics have overshadowed his business for awhile but as Oliver said a few years back he was the only game in town for green industry, despite his social media persona when forced to go over the numbers he really can have graduate level discussions about the details that go into his products.

we all know its bullshit but Musk's stated mission statement of Tesla as proving that EV cars can work proved to have been accomplished. people forget but 18 years ago, people scoffed at the idea of electric cars as anything more than a failed gimmick, and 18 years from now they'll be the only type of car available.

you're a retard. the average ICE car age is about 18 years, its not only disposable but old enough to fuck. its basically a given now that the first 100k miles aren't even a problem, you can very easily get bumper to bumper warranties for the first 100k from most dealerships. the next 100k is a bit rougher but overall any car from the 2009 should very easily make it to 200k+ without shitting the bed.

and let's be honest the illegals will be driving ICE cars until the 2090s, no other law affects non-whites in this fucking country why would they give a fuck about them driving ice cars when they don't care about them not following any other driving laws?

2030 model years will very easily last for 30 years too. cars in the current model year can get 300k warranties bumper to bumper from places if you can find the dealers. but once you take out the recalls that you'd be forced to get for your car there isn't much keeping them from going the distance in the modern age.


I’ve driven a few cars to 250k+ miles. About to hit 210k in our Lexus RX.

But most cars are disposable shit.

There is a very short list of actually durable vehicles and they are all made by Honda/Acura or Toyota/Lexus and domestic full size pick ups and body on frame SUV’s. Most cars are disposable shit. Go look at any domestic sedans, Korean vehicles, Nissans, vw’s and other assorted shut and tell me they are built to last. Even MB shows exposed aluminum stamping s all over their new cars. Aluminum corrodes to a powdered shitdust. Aluminum sucks they should only use steel and polymers. Teslas appear disposable to me as well.

What I hate about Tesla's and EV's in general? They're shilled as being "green" somehow when really the only advantage they have over conventional cars is not putting emissions into the air. Never mind the fact that the production of the electronics requires rare earth minerals, the acquisition of which we outsource to other countries to do in the most destructive, earth-raping way possible. Never mind the fact that car dependent infrastructure and suburban sprawl is both fiscally unsustainable for towns and cities and trash for the environment (parking lots alone use up an OBSCENE amount of land). Never mind the fact that these miserably heavy pieces of shit are not only more dangerous to everyone around them, but will wear-and-tear down roads even faster than conventional vehicles.

I like cars, cars are cool. They're some things and some places I can only do or go with a car. I don't like everyone in the country being hopelessly dependent on a fucking car every day to accomplish the most basic of tasks. EV's are a bandaid on a bullet wound compared to the far better "greener" alternative of reducing car dependency and improving infrastructure for public transportation, cycling, or even just fucking WALKING.
I burned a diesel soaked tire on the beach the night I picked up my Tesla and threw a few 12v car batteries into the tidal basin while I was there.


I don’t really think about environmentalism outside of not wanting to hold china and India accountable for their pollution and leaving me the fuck alone. I do my best to not litter and recycle and not generate extra waste. But modern ICE cars in the USA are VERY clean. Our coal plants are clean and our water is mostly clean except where corruption and incompetence prevents it. There isn’t a need to be an environmentalist or a techie to enjoy and “get” Teslas

Simply put the tech car is ridiculously fast at its price point. It makes the rest of the world feel like it’s standing still. It also steers well and has great visibility. It’s a drivers car through and through (weighs a shitload tho). But it’s basically the car of your childhood dreams come to life. And the cool thing is to experience it now while everyone else is brrrrzzzzzz’ing around in antiquated And comically complicated ICE vehicles. We knocked off 350 miles today and did a short supercharger visit that took like 6 minutes to arrive home at 40% charge so we can do a 70 mile round trip visit to some water tomorrow. Go drive one, you’ll want one. Go buy one, you won’t go back.

I’m really stoked for the truck. I would love to own a F-150 or Tundra. But the fuel bill kills it. But a pricey truck with little to no fuel costs (and tons of power and 400mi range) suddenly becomes very reasonable.
 
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I burned a diesel soaked tire on the beach the night I picked up my Tesla and threw a few 12v car batteries into the tidal basin while I was there.


I don’t really think about environmentalism outside of not wanting to hold china and India accountable for their pollution and leaving me the fuck alone. I do my best to not litter and recycle and not generate extra waste. But modern ICE cars in the USA are VERY clean. Our coal plants are clean and our water is mostly clean except where corruption and incompetence prevents it. There isn’t a need to be an environmentalist or a techie to enjoy and “get” Teslas

Simply put the tech car is ridiculously fast at its price point. It makes the rest of the world feel like it’s standing still. It also steers well and has great visibility. It’s a drivers car through and through (weighs a shitload tho). But it’s basically the car of your childhood dreams come to life. And the cool thing is to experience it now while everyone else is brrrrzzzzzz’ing around in antiquated And comically complicated ICE vehicles. We knocked off 350 miles today and did a short supercharger visit that took like 6 minutes to arrive home at 40% charge so we can do a 70 mile round trip visit to some water tomorrow. Go drive one, you’ll want one. Go buy one, you won’t go back.

I’m really stoked for the truck. I would love to own a F-150 or Tundra. But the fuel bill kills it. But a pricey truck with little to no fuel costs (and tons of power and 400mi range) suddenly becomes very reasonable.
That range disappears right quick if you use the truck for it's intended purpose. Electric trucks can't tow and can't carry significant cargo because, while they may have a lot of power, they don't have a lot of energy, thanks to the poor energy density of even the most advanced cells. It's energy that makes ice the king of the road. Each additional pound of weight requires more energy to maintain the same speed, and that combined with rolling resistance (which also increases with weight) soon adds up to significant losses. EV makers will not resolve the battery energy density issue any time soon, which makes them toys outside of the family car market (and arguably not much more than toys within it).
 
I’ve driven a few cars to 250k+ miles. About to hit 210k in our Lexus RX.

But most cars are disposable shit.

There is a very short list of actually durable vehicles and they are all made by Honda/Acura or Toyota/Lexus and domestic full size pick ups and body on frame SUV’s. Most cars are disposable shit. Go look at any domestic sedans, Korean vehicles, Nissans, vw’s and other assorted shut and tell me they are built to last. Even MB shows exposed aluminum stamping s all over their new cars. Aluminum corrodes to a powdered shitdust. Aluminum sucks they should only use steel and polymers. Teslas appear disposable to me as well.
Well with that mentality, everything may as well be disposable because they're mass produced at scale with various cost cutting measures. I wouldn't limit it to only Honda and Toyota either. There are many solid cars over the years that have gained a following of owners who continue to keep the on the road. Old Mercedes diesels in the W123, some old BMWs, and Audis are all pretty durable given adequate care. I'd say Audi has some of the best chassis construction. For the non junked ones, the survivors are barely afflicted by rust unlike Japanese cars of the similar vintage.
 
This article highlights some major problems with EV charging stations, even if you can find one outside of Tesla that standardized quality and ease of use. a lot of the time you're fucked because "fast charging" could take 3 hours and a lot of these are in hard to reach areas or require someone unlocking them.




My major problem with Tesla currently is that they don't really have much to show anymore. Ford beat them to the first EV truck someone could drive, and tesla took way too long to make a crossover. their S3XY brand might be slowing down in sales as well. the only thing Tesla truly has going for it is its charging network.
 
Someone had to replace their battery on their 2013 Tesla Model S with 102k miles on it, and the cost of the battery was $19K:



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The other thing about this replacement was that even though the replacement battery was a 90 kwh, because the 2013 Model S's only had a 60 kwh battery, only 60 kwh of the battery is usable, and there's an extra fee to be able to use the full 90 kwh on that battery.

And I thought repair bills on German cars were bad.
 
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I love how people are praising this goober like he has done something groundbreaking. The people who told him he couldn't run a car engine on a lawnmower carburetor were literal retards, it isn't even a stretch of imagination to realize that you could run a large engine with a tiny carb at the expense of power output.
I assume this just makes the engine run ridiculously lean all the time. Which is great for fuel economy, if you don't count 'engine rebuilds' as part of your overall costs.
 
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Well with that mentality, everything may as well be disposable because they're mass produced at scale with various cost cutting measures. I wouldn't limit it to only Honda and Toyota either. There are many solid cars over the years that have gained a following of owners who continue to keep the on the road. Old Mercedes diesels in the W123, some old BMWs, and Audis are all pretty durable given adequate care. I'd say Audi has some of the best chassis construction. For the non junked ones, the survivors are barely afflicted by rust unlike Japanese cars of the similar vintage.
Meh not really.

w124 was pretty nice tho. That’s why I’m looking for a r129 SL500

Someone had to replace their battery on their 2013 Tesla Model S with 102k miles on it, and the cost of the battery was $19K:



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The other thing about this replacement was that even though the replacement battery was a 90 kwh, because the 2013 Model S's only had a 60 kwh battery, only 60 kwh of the battery is usable, and there's an extra fee to be able to use the full 90 kwh on that battery.

And I thought repair bills on German cars were bad.
Lol 9 year old car. That car already had a huge number of miles on it as well, and was still able to take a charge. Despite it being a very wary Tesla.

Battery tech changes fast and we are still in early stages here. There will be aftermarket solutions in future as market matures

The model S competes with BMW S class and 7 Series (theoretically, those are much cushier and roomier cars but they are peers on the market). And a drivetrain replacement from the dealer on either would be comparable to $19k. But you don’t make $60k on YouTube click views by blowing up a S550 or 750i….

I drive a compact car. I have rarely ever gone full throttle to accelerate as hard as I could on an on-ramp or wherever. I don't drag race and my genitals are average-sized, so why would I care about all the acceleration? Yes, it's cool and all, but I never missed being able to accelerate twice as hard.
I still like the idea of EVs, even though they're absolutely not suitable for me atm (no parking space at home, no charger at work, at mot I could charge at a supermarket nearby). But then again, I absolutely hate what Tesla did to interior design with cars and I do not want to drive anything like that. Most likely I'll drive down my current car until it's a pile of junk and never get another one because by then everything will be banned, anyway.
Oh, I also hate that Tesla made Apple-style fanboyism despite absolutely garbage business practices suitable for the car world. The fact that Tesla can still turn off features in the car you bought used is garbage, the fact that they think the steering yoke is not a steering joke and fans will pretend like it's cool to take a month to get used to your objectively worse steering mechanism, it's all fucking bullshit and more than reason enough for me to not buy a Tesla.

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I'd get a Luka EV. Other than that I'll hope for retrofit kits once battery tech is better.
Agree. Yoke is gay

Tesla isn’t the only company to turn shit off

Acceleration is important where I live so you don’t get run over by assholes on ford raptors or bitches in AMG crossovers
 
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