Tesla Hate Thread - oh and come seethe about EVs in general with me

[teriyakiburns]

Battery tech changes fast and we are still in early stages here. There will be aftermarket solutions in future as market matures

No, battery tech has pretty much hit the peak of its abilities as a matter of simple physics. Any mooted solutions to the energy density issue are variations on the same theme of two electrodes, a separator, and an electrolyte, with some small percentage increase of specific energy over current technologies, accompanied by a similar increase of all the risks inherent in the current, extremely high density configurations these cells use. It's that high density configuration itself that causes all of the problems. Lithium can spontaneously deposit on one of the electrodes and form whiskers that breach the separator, causing a short circuit. Heat can cause spontaneous short circuits as well, by compromising the insulating properties of the separator, as can cold, in different ways. Cells lose capacity over time, losing it faster while charging and discharging, and will eventually become unchargable as a result. Requiring the cost of a full engine out and rebuild to replace what is effectively the fuel tank is a ridiculous proposition.

I have no issue with electric cars as such (I'm planning to convert a car to electric at some point, though ideally I'd go for hydrogen fuel cell rather than battery). My issue is that people are blindly accepting impossible promises about electric vehicles, not least regarding the unphysical "future" of battery tech, while governments are legislatively designating BEV as the "winner", and either using taxation or outright bans to force people out of reliable, efficient, inexpensive (were the government not intervening in the price) vehicles that will outlast almost any BEV you can point at, without suffering any equivalent lifetime range reduction in the process.

e: also learn how to multiquote. Triple-posting makes you gay.

 

[Car Won't Crank]

Meh not really.

w124 was pretty nice tho. That’s why I’m looking for a r129 SL500

You'd be surprised at how many older German cars have well over 200k miles.

 

[1Tonka_Truck]

That car already had a huge number of miles on it as well,

103,000 miles is not a huge number of miles in 9 years. Maybe 11,000 miles a year is a lot for an EV owner, but the average for US cars is over 14,000 mi/yr. Cost of battery replacement is reason hybrids are some of the fastest depreciating cars on the market.

I had job where I was putting almost 2,000 miles a month on the work truck and rarely left a 30 mile radius.

 

[The Ugly One]

Lol 9 year old car. That car already had a huge number of miles on it as well, and was still able to take a charge. Despite it being a very wary Tesla.

Battery tech changes fast and we are still in early stages here. There will be aftermarket solutions in future as market matures

The problem is that the equivalent of a battery back in an ICE car is the engine and transmission, not the battery. Aftermarket solutions might be cheaper - and lower quality and less reliable - but they won't be coming in under $1000. You'll be looking at maybe $15K instead of $19K.

BTW, I have 140K miles on my 15-year-old Ford, and it's only lost about 1 mpg since it was new. 100K miles was a "huge number" in 1985, not today.

 

[Dr. Geronimo]

One thing I will suck Tesla dick on is their fight against dealerships. I absolutely despise interacting with the schmucks, acting like they're the ones doing you a favor.


All I want is a price and financing options based on credit, term length and down payment amount. I don't need some dropout with a stupid smile to give me that.

 

[Thiletonomics]

Tesla can't even build their demo Cybertrucks properly, as they already have noticeable quality defects:



I swear though, the dicksucking that people do for Elon and Tesla, is just as bad as how gamers dicksuck for GabeN and Valve. Which of the two would have the worst cult-like behavior though?

 

[FiddleAFox]

I assume this just makes the engine run ridiculously lean all the time. Which is great for fuel economy, if you don't count 'engine rebuilds' as part of your overall costs.

I believe the guy explains how it doesn't run lean and has a lot more to do with the atomization of the fuel, which baffles me because apparently a carburetor can atomize fuel better than a fuel injector, all through the method of changing how the air flows into the engine.

 

[seri0us]

Tesla can't even build their demo Cybertrucks properly, as they already have noticeable quality defects:

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I swear though, the dicksucking that people do for Elon and Tesla, is just as bad as how gamers dicksuck for GabeN and Valve. Which of the two would have the worst cult-like behavior though?

Both types have delusions of grandeur but only Elon a/o Tesla fanboys can legitimately believe they'll one day become billionaires even if they're NEETs in their late 30s.

 

[FiddleAFox]

Average price of gasoline in the USA has hit an average $5 a gallon and I'm still rockin' my v6 car, but I'm certainly gonna consider getting a battery powered bike with pedals for local commuting after I buy a house, maybe. Might as well just declare bankruptcy if things get rougher and rougher tbh because I doubt most people are gonna be capable of buying an EV with the hyperinflation going on.

 

[Dr. Geronimo]

Average price of gasoline in the USA has hit an average $5 a gallon and I'm still rockin' my v6 car, but I'm certainly gonna consider getting a battery powered bike with pedals for local commuting after I buy a house, maybe. Might as well just declare bankruptcy if things get rougher and rougher tbh because I doubt most people are gonna be capable of buying an EV with the hyperinflation going on.

I'm genuinely curious about how far gas is going to go. Summer travel season just started and 2021 averages never went down after summer anyway. I genuinely don't believe we're going to see gas go under $3 a gallon for a long time, if ever.

Either way we're looking into a Chevy Bolt. Everyone here can cope and seethe over EVs but at the end of the day running the numbers means we'll be saving money on gas alone and our insurance would only go up $4 a month. Charge times don't mean that much to me since my wife enjoys fucking around at every stupid thing on the highway. When we last went to Texas Buccees were starting to install fast chargers so that's perfect for me.

Honestly, my only fear regarding getting an EV is the social aspect. Plenty of psychos out there that find EVs a threat to their existence for some reason.

 

[Just Some Other Guy]

Idk, imagine spending 20k+ for a used compact EV shitbox that accelerates slower than my 09 edge.
Idk, it's like you're spending the money on a good car on well....that.

 

[Dr. Geronimo]

Idk, imagine spending 20k+ for a used compact EV shitbox that accelerates slower than my 09 edge.
Idk, it's like you're spending the money on a good car on well....that.

I don't get any of your sentiment. Why would I care about acceleration when the fastest I will go is maybe 80mph? A car is supposed to get you from A to B, and an EV will get me there cheaper than the car I have.

Also have zero clue why you call it a 'shitbox'. I guess you're talking about the battery recall they had, because there has never ever been a recall on an ICE.

 

[Just Some Other Guy]

I don't get any of your sentiment. Why would I care about acceleration when the fastest I will go is maybe 80mph? A car is supposed to get you from A to B, and an EV will get me there cheaper than the car I have.

Also have zero clue why you call it a 'shitbox'. I guess you're talking about the battery recall they had, because there has never ever been a recall on an ICE.

Ah. Someone who doesn't get stuck on onramps behind tandem haulers doing 15-20mph with their 4 ways on while you're behind them dreading the eventual merge with 80 mph traffic. Also the latter, I call all lowest common denominator compacts/subcompacts shitboxes regardless ICE or EV. Generally they're supposed to be cheap, which mid 20ks are nowhere near. So you get the lowest cost construction with the added downside of costing way more than what a low tier vehicle should.

All for the sake of going electric.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

Is there even a second hand market for EVs? The whole thing reeks of the "you will own nothing" mindset where you need to buy a new car every decade, while a gas car will survive decades with proper maintenance (and that alone will mean them creating far less pollution).

 

[Just Some Other Guy]

Is there even a second hand market for EVs? The whole thing reeks of the "you will own nothing" mindset where you need to buy a new car every decade, while a gas car will survive decades with proper maintenance (and that alone will mean them creating far less pollution).

There's a handful of used EVs for sale at disgusting prices like the aforementioned Bolt.

 

[Dr. Geronimo]

Is there even a second hand market for EVs? The whole thing reeks of the "you will own nothing" mindset where you need to buy a new car every decade, while a gas car will survive decades with proper maintenance (and that alone will mean them creating far less pollution).

Genuinely hard to say since the used market is still a mess right now. The car I'm planning on trading in is still valued at how much we got it for.

 

[Car Won't Crank]

I'm genuinely curious about how far gas is going to go. Summer travel season just started and 2021 averages never went down after summer anyway. I genuinely don't believe we're going to see gas go under $3 a gallon for a long time, if ever.

Either way we're looking into a Chevy Bolt. Everyone here can cope and seethe over EVs but at the end of the day running the numbers means we'll be saving money on gas alone and our insurance would only go up $4 a month. Charge times don't mean that much to me since my wife enjoys fucking around at every stupid thing on the highway. When we last went to Texas Buccees were starting to install fast chargers so that's perfect for me.

Honestly, my only fear regarding getting an EV is the social aspect. Plenty of psychos out there that find EVs a threat to their existence for some reason.

Your fear about the social views on EVs are way overblown. As long as you're not a bad driver or get caught in someone's road rage, there's nothing like that to worry about even if you're in small town Nebraska surrounded by cheaply lifted F150s and Silverados.

 

[Just Some Other Guy]

Just don't act like motorcyclists and you'll be fine.

Off topic: anyone else get extremely tired of this "uWu watch out for the poor little motorcycles" shit when in reality they generally drive like the biggest jackasses?

 

[Dr. Geronimo]

Just don't act like motorcyclists and you'll be fine.

Off topic: anyone else get extremely tired of this "uWu watch out for the poor little motorcycles" shit when in reality they generally drive like the biggest jackasses?

I visited a friend and as I was backing out of his driveway he hauled out of his garage and almost hit us.

I completely agree that most bikers deserve it.

 

[Just Some Other Guy]

I visited a friend and as I was backing out of his driveway he hauled out of his garage and almost hit us.

I completely agree that most bikers deserve it.

For me it's the guys that weave in and out of traffic doing 100mph. Man what I'd give to see one catch a bumper and go end over end.