Tesla Hate Thread - oh and come seethe about EVs in general with me

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For me it's the guys that weave in and out of traffic doing 100mph.

cry more cager

 

[Just Some Other Guy]

cry more cager

Lol wouldn't care as much if it wasn't the swarm of gay little cyclist ads. Maybe they should actually have the balls to not cry when they get tailgated by a car in return.

 

[FiddleAFox]

I'm genuinely curious about how far gas is going to go. Summer travel season just started and 2021 averages never went down after summer anyway. I genuinely don't believe we're going to see gas go under $3 a gallon for a long time, if ever.

Either way we're looking into a Chevy Bolt. Everyone here can cope and seethe over EVs but at the end of the day running the numbers means we'll be saving money on gas alone and our insurance would only go up $4 a month. Charge times don't mean that much to me since my wife enjoys fucking around at every stupid thing on the highway. When we last went to Texas Buccees were starting to install fast chargers so that's perfect for me.

Honestly, my only fear regarding getting an EV is the social aspect. Plenty of psychos out there that find EVs a threat to their existence for some reason.

Actual superhackers can drive your car from your garage all the way to wherever the destination the superhacker desires (assuming your car is connected to the IoT).

 

[Just Some Other Guy]

Actual superhackers can drive your car from your garage all the way to wherever the destination the superhacker desires (assuming your car is connected to the IoT).

The amount of software fuckery in EVs is concerning. Though maybe nobody will bother fucking with a Bolt.

 

[FiddleAFox]

The amount of software fuckery in EVs is concerning. Though maybe nobody will bother fucking with a Bolt.

That's assuming you're able to keep it off the internet. As I've stated before, IoT is the absolute dumbest fucking thing on the planet, where your entire house can be fucked with if you have "smart" everything, including light bulbs that change into different colors depending on your mood. Why not just change the light bulb or better yet just have a simple switch where it cycles through different colors of light? There's absolutely 0 reason for a fucking light bulb to be connected to the internet, same goes for your vehicle.
Hell, there's been some articles showing how vehicles connected to the internet can be very easily stolen from your house.

 

[Dr. Geronimo]

Actual superhackers can drive your car from your garage all the way to wherever the destination the superhacker desires (assuming your car is connected to the IoT).

And you can get you catty stolen and your gas siphoned.

I knew I was going to get a chuckle when I posted that here.

 

[Just Some Other Guy]

gas siphoned

Not so much anymore. Pretty much you have to drill through the gas tank nowadays.

*Edit* Would also take cut off catty over hacked car. At least I still have the car and it runs.

 

[teriyakiburns]

Not so much anymore. Pretty much you have to drill through the gas tank nowadays.

*Edit* Would also take cut off catty over hacked car. At least I still have the car and it runs.

Sounds throaty, too.

 

[Just Some Other Guy]

Sounds throaty, too.

Right. But it's $300 catty vs...well....car lol.

*Edit* disregard, in my late night tiredness I though that said "tho", not "too".

 

[Puff]

Tesla can't even build their demo Cybertrucks properly, as they already have noticeable quality defects:

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I swear though, the dicksucking that people do for Elon and Tesla, is just as bad as how gamers dicksuck for GabeN and Valve. Which of the two would have the worst cult-like behavior though?

I work in automotive. It's a fucking pre-production one. This is normal in pre-production cars. Maybe they shouldn't have given it to someone to take photos, but the poor fit and finish has zero implications for the finished vehicle.

If the interiors and controls weren't so fucking dogshit, I'd consider getting a cybertruck when it comes out. The truck is so obnoxious it's fun. In general I think EV controls and interiors will get better when they stop being greenie status symbols and people who drive them regularly and aren't total nerds start complaining.

 

[Uber driver reviewer]

103,000 miles is not a huge number of miles in 9 years. Maybe 11,000 miles a year is a lot for an EV owner, but the average for US cars is over 14,000 mi/yr. Cost of battery replacement is reason hybrids are some of the fastest depreciating cars on the market.

I had job where I was putting almost 2,000 miles a month on the work truck and rarely left a 30 mile radius.

We put far more on our Tesla every month.

My point is that cars moving towards being more recyclable and less durable.

Hybrids are holding their value very well. Especially Honda and Toyota/Lexus. It’s not 2004 anymore.

Your fear about the social views on EVs are way overblown. As long as you're not a bad driver or get caught in someone's road rage, there's nothing like that to worry about even if you're in small town Nebraska surrounded by cheaply lifted F150s and Silverados.

It is beyond satisfying to drive my Tesla in this current auto fuel market, But yeah, the car definitely makes people mad by just driving it like I’m not paying for the fuel (lol because I’m not). When brodozer drivers (or usually Mersh tier old bmw / vw drivers) get all hostile near me, I just tap down on the right control stalk twice and let the car drive itself in autopilot, however, I am starting to watch my back and where I park much more closely as the poors are getting extreamly assmad about their fuel costs and may take it out smoothbrain style on my parked car.

Actual superhackers can drive your car from your garage all the way to wherever the destination the superhacker desires (assuming your car is connected to the IoT).

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I’m not really worried about the 400lb super hacker known as 4chan singling out my Model 3 out of the several dozen already in my small town. I do worry about governments pulling a Michael Hastings hit on high profile muckrakers, but that was done on a 2013 gas car. So it’s not really EV specific concern. Besides they theives will regret their decision since my car farts every time you use turn signal, and plays cloppity clop horse walking sounds from its external speaker when you drive it, and I can also use the phone app to yell “NIGGER” over the interior and exterior boombox speakers.

Actual superhackers can drive your car from your garage all the way to wherever the destination the superhacker desires (assuming your car is connected to the IoT).

Actual superhackers can drive your car from your garage all the way to wherever the destination the superhacker desires (assuming your car is connected to the IoT).

Tesla can't even build their demo Cybertrucks properly, as they already have noticeable quality defects:

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I swear though, the dicksucking that people do for Elon and Tesla, is just as bad as how gamers dicksuck for GabeN and Valve. Which of the two would have the worst cult-like behavior though?

Pre-production. Of course it’s rough. And honestly this looks about as good as the garbage that General Motors shits out of their Mexican factories. If it doesn’t look like that at delivery, give it 2 years of ownership and it will.

Is there even a second hand market for EVs? The whole thing reeks of the "you will own nothing" mindset where you need to buy a new car every decade, while a gas car will survive decades with proper maintenance (and that alone will mean them creating far less pollution).

Low mile Teslas are selling for more used than new right now. Depending on state, there are people buying and selling them and pocketing tax credits.


Nobody keeps gas cars for decades anymore, Of course there are exceptions. We have gone typically 7-15 years ourselves, but that is really an exception, I believe that trends indicate that automobiles are becoming more recyclable at an industrial scale. Manufacturers are under so many mandates and market pressure that they have to keep selling you cars because they are so complex and heavy now. This isn’t some stupid Agenda 21 conspiracy. It is more like late stage capitalism combined with an ineffective self-congratulating federal government happy to Jack things around for favored corporations and union stooges, Tesla is good in this regard because they are severely simplifying the automobile and building in market incentives to find ways to recycle the cars.

I believe the guy explains how it doesn't run lean and has a lot more to do with the atomization of the fuel, which baffles me because apparently a carburetor can atomize fuel better than a fuel injector, all through the method of changing how the air flows into the engine.

It is all boomer-fudd folklore. There isn’t enough energy in that air/fuel combo to go 100mpg let alone half of that. The story of the “100mpg carburetor being invented by some good old boy from wherever, before the evil oil companies moved in to buy him out by force” has been around since the 1970’s and I’ve heard it repeated with various details from all sorts of boomer aged fudds from my own father in law, to letters to the editor in the local newspaper in the 1990’s, to car talk callers on NPR, to dumbass boomers at the gun range, auto parts counter, etc , etc. The silly fable came to be back when there was an initial gas crisis and old mechanical Detroit built cars were starting to adopt emissions equipment that nobody at the time understood. They looked at all of the then new emissions control equipment that made their old (relatively) reliable cars unreliable, and sapped power, while causing manufacturers to downsize everything, like they fear the change to EV’s now, it was stuff they didn’t understand, so they created an “analog is better than digital” fable to find the equivalent of “watch this video to learn one crazy trick to make your penis 2x its size”. It’s bullshit for gullible boomers

Average price of gasoline in the USA has hit an average $5 a gallon and I'm still rockin' my v6 car, but I'm certainly gonna consider getting a battery powered bike with pedals for local commuting after I buy a house, maybe. Might as well just declare bankruptcy if things get rougher and rougher tbh because I doubt most people are gonna be capable of buying an EV with the hyperinflation going on.

Again, have you seen how much gas cars and hybrids are going for lately? Dealers are marking the things up 20-30% for anything worth owning. Tesla doesn’t have “dealers”so their cars are not being marked up. Yes they are expensive, but I’m watching people I know pay $15k over msrp for a Toyota Rav-4 and still have to wait 6 months to get it. Tesla starts looking like a deal in comparison. And before you call that Rav-4 buyer a dumbass, that is the market right now. You may find a dealer to take an order for a gas car at msrp but they will play fuck fuck games with you once they have your order in process and you’ll end up paying what they want. What are you going to do? Start over with another dealer after waiting 3 months to get your build sheet from the first?

 

[FiddleAFox]

Again, have you seen how much gas cars and hybrids are going for lately? Dealers are marking the things up 20-30% for anything worth owning. Tesla doesn’t have “dealers”so their cars are not being marked up. Yes they are expensive, but I’m watching people I know pay $15k over msrp for a Toyota Rav-4 and still have to wait 6 months to get it. Tesla starts looking like a deal in comparison. And before you call that Rav-4 buyer a dumbass, that is the market right now. You may find a dealer to take an order for a gas car at msrp but they will play fuck fuck games with you once they have your order in process and you’ll end up paying what they want. What are you going to do? Start over with another dealer after waiting 3 months to get your build sheet from the first?

Yeah, which is retarded because majority of people shouldn't be buying fucking anything from dealers or overpriced merchants. Buy straight from a guy who's selling, that's how I got my 1 ton pickup from the 80s for $2k and it still runs. A shitbox car was also the same price from a shitbox dealer that is rusty and whatnot, but I'm gonna either try and make it last for a few more years or probably replace it with a much older/solidly built vehicle that's a gas mizer, though the 3800 v6 I have is holding up extremely well after almost 220k miles on it. Really, there's no reason to force recycling decade old vehicles that are still perfectly fine running as they are and the recycling of those isn't going to be an easy task at all, if anything Tesla is being Apple and keeping their vehicles from being recycled as efficiently compared to rebuilding your own ICE, and trends like that are always, ALWAYS going to be followed by the majority of car manufacturers, hence I would buy an electric bike, but a battery powered car is just a bad idea, especially with the weight on it, the lack of longevity, etc.

Hybrids are holding onto their value, but at the cost of the batteries needing to be replaced, otherwise you're just overpaying for an ICE car at that point unless you can shell out an additional $2k for a hybrid battery pack and pay another $1k for the labor to get it done.

 

[1Tonka_Truck]

@Uber driver reviewer

Hybrids are holding their value very well. Especially Honda and Toyota/Lexus. It’s not 2004 anymore.

Lol, no. Average 5 year depreciation for a new car is 40%. Average for hybrids is 45% and EV is 53%. I will admit the Leaf at 65% really hurts the average, but Teslas are around 50%. When you can buy 2 IC engines for the price of a battery pack it really hurts resale.

Just for reference, a Tacoma is 13.8% over 5 years.

 

[Thiletonomics]

And despite how Tesla owners have pride with the "no dealers" deal when buying Teslas, the prices of them are going up, again. The Model Y starts at $65K, the Model S starts at $104K, and the Model X starts at $120K.

 

[Zyklon Ben's Poison Pen]

Lets see what it is on South East Asian Nano Pesos (AUD)
S: lel N/A
3: 63.9K - 88.9K
X: lel N/A
Y: 68.9K - 93.9K

I paid 16K for my Ford shitbox that had 18K on the clock. Its still going

 

[ToroidalBoat]

I've noticed a new trend of these electric bicycles.

I still prefer the mechanical pedal kind over those.

 

[DeadwastePrime]

I've noticed a new trend of these electric bicycles.

I still prefer the mechanical pedal kind over those.

pedal assist is great though for hills n shit

 

[Dr. Geronimo]

pedal assist is great though for hills n shit

Also great for older people to help them enjoy cycling again.

I'm looking into one now but I've been spoiled by my big and tall bike.

 

[Car Won't Crank]

Also great for older people to help them enjoy cycling again.

I'm looking into one now but I've been spoiled by my big and tall bike.

They're also practical unlike those awful and wasteful electric scooters things.

 

[Thiletonomics]

A Canadian Tesla owner managed to drive 1 million miles in his 2013 Tesla Model S. However, it required 4 rear motor, and 3 battery replacements. The owner also said that while the original motor lasted for almost 497K miles, the replacement ones only lasted about 124K miles each. Combine that with the $19K price tag for each replacement battery, as well as the replacement motors, means that this guy spend $100K or more, just to keep this Model S running.

He also apparently has one of the original Tesla Roadsters, with 403K miles on it.