Tesla Hate Thread - oh and come seethe about EVs in general with me

Is Tesla Gay?


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Saw another Tesla in the wild recently, and saw the lack of key locks myself.

Lack of key lock looks bad. What if whatever supplies power to the lock goes?
 
When I was in late high school/early college, I developed a fiery hatred of BMWs. They all look the same, are all driven be self-centered pricks, and always exist around technology hubs in Western Countries. Tesla has stolen that crown from BMW and adds the whole "I'm better, higher tech, and loving-of-the-Earth/holier than you!".

This is where automobiles are going in the future. Only rich d-bags get state-sanctioned cars (overpriced Teslas you essentially lease for 5 years before you have to buy a new one, like a lot of new cell phones). Pisses off us sane-ish folk to ditch driving altogether and hang out with niggos on the non-existent buses in our cities. Think I'm exaggerating? I'm seeing tons of people my age and younger hate cars and other drivers unless that can get a Tesla (and even then, they want everything Uber'd to them). It's all so tiresome...
 
So yeah last month my car had to go into the shop so I decided as a novelty I would rent an older Tesla Model X via Turo. For $85 bucks a day (cost of 3 star hotel) I got to drive a car that's still worth way way more than my current cheap car. The owner locked the Tesla down to 85 MPH so I wasn't able to enjoy any joyriding but it wasn't like I was going to have the balls to possibly risk getting a nasty speeding ticket or even worse possibly wrecking the superpowered Golf Cart. Also either the autopilot wasn't enabled or I couldn't figure out how to turn the thing on so I didn't get to experience that novelty.

What I liked:
The Tesla Dashboard Sensors -
This is an amazing luxury and I dream of a future where all cars (electric & gas) have it. Basically the car has sensors everywhere that detect other cars, pedestrians, traffic signals, and even traffic cones. This feature alone I believe is going to tremendously cut down on traffic accidents. Blindspots simply don't exist on a Tesla. There's always the question of if the Sensors can fuck up and with the amount of Teslas on the road I think that'll be answered in time. For now I'm really hopeful that this tech will be standard in cars because I know for certain that if my dumbass doesn't tilt my head back every time I change lanes so do a large percentage of drivers. Like how backup cams became a standard feature on all new cars I think one day all cars will be required to have this. Also it makes it impossible to fuck up parking.

The Brakes & Acceleration - You stop instantly on the Tesla or at least the one I was driving. And yes the thing goes from 0-60 at the drop of a hat. The car was just fun around to drive in. I know true gearheads lament the seeming inevitable that the manual transmission will become a thing of the past unless you get an old car or by some heavily upgraded car. But I'm not a gearhead or pretending to be one like Patrick Tomlinson, I think manual transmission is a pain in the ass especially for city driving. I'll let the computer do the work. As for the brakes you need it to stop and it stops. Again potentially life saving stuff.

The Tesla Mobile App - To be fair the only mobile app I've used besides Tesla's is GM's for my current car and I forgot the password to that one and haven't bothered to because it was rather worthless in my eyes. But I highly doubt any car manufacturer besides the other luxury brands has an app as good as Teslas. I just think it's really neat to be able to control the Tesla's settings like Air Conditioning and put on the Sentry Security mode.

Trunk Space - I was amazed by how spacious the trunk space was. Not that I'd be stupid to drive a tesla cross-country because what happens if you fuck up and fail to charge up while driving past bumfuck nowhere but man if you had to carry a ton of luggage and junk the Model X basically has the travel capacity of a small truck bed.

Cost of Electricity vs Fuel - At the end of the week the owner had me pay him back for my Tesla Supercharging and it was a mere $50. I'd estimate that'd be double the amount had I just been driving my normal car around. So yeah a theoretically cheap & inexpensive to maintain EV might save you money down the line,

Comfort - I'm tall and the only inconvenience was getting into the tesla but that'd be true for anything that's not an SUV or Truck. The Model X has ample legroom. There'd be no problem sitting 4 grown men in that car. That comfort is important for the next topic.

What I hated
Charging the damn thing -
So you gotta pay $1500 to have a Tesla charger in your garage. Which isn't much if you're willing to pay $100,000 for a car but I of course wasn't going to do that for a rental. So I was subservient upon the Tesla Supercharge stations, which to Tesla's credit are all over my city. But then you have to sit in the Tesla or go out for a walk and let it charge. Usually this took 30 minutes which wasn't bad but if the Tesla Supercharge station is full of Teslas then the amount of electricity going into the car will be cut (which I don't think anyone mentions). One time it took a full hour to charge the Tesla. That's a lot of time.

The wood grain interior - I'll disagree fully with @Nguyen Van Phuoc I think the whole point of Tesla is to try to look ridiculously cyberpunk and stupid. Bring on that eyesore Cybertruck! So what's with the woodgrain? It reminds me of my father's old junk Lincoln. I think the damn thing should be riced out with Gamer LED Fans and all sorts of stupid shit. But that's my objectively stupid tastes.

The giant touchscreen doesn't prevent you from using it while driving solo - I'm surprised America's bureaucrats sanction this because really it's a huge potential hazard. It goes back to what @Nguyen Van Phuoc was saying that everything is controlled via touchscreen. This is simply a giant hazard in letting the driver mess around with buttons while driving a car that can 90 MPH. It annoys me when Android Auto doesn't let me scroll through Waze but simply put I get why it does that, me fucking around with a screen while driving could get me or others killed.

So would I buy a Tesla? Jesus Christ unless I had millions in assets I wouldn't consider the damn thing. If by the end of the decade Teslas or whatever quality EV hit that magic number of $30,000 and had the quality of the Model X I drove I'd definitely consider it. And who knows that might be in the cards as technology improves. But for now I've got a decent enough ride and I don't turn into a ball of rage when a sonofabitch lets it get hit by a shopping cart. Even if I were wealthy beyond my wildest dreams I just couldn't picture myself driving an opulent car. Because the reality is cars get damaged whether unless they're locked in a garage and never parked anywhere beyond a gas station.
 
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I have no interest in cars whatsoever but my friend who is a huge car nerd bought an electric Porsche over the Tesla because he says the Tesla has "panel gaps you could drive a Honda through".
Taytaycan is a nice car. It has better panel gaps than a model S if that is what you are into measuring. Good for him. Shame he doesn’t have access to the Tesla supercharger network. That’s the variable you could literally drive a Audi SQ8 through. It is considerably more expensive and a car for Porsche customers, where the Tesla experience is clearly more mass market.

Tesla’s panel gaps and fit and finish have improved substantially. Expect them to get substantially better as the new Texas factory goes online. But to be fair, it doesn’t seem like any car manufacturer gives a damn about panel gaps beyond Porsche, MB, Lexus and Audi. It certainly doesn’t seem like the public even knows what this means either except to repeat the meme. Porsche will always have more attention to detail and more thought into build quality. That’s why they are Porsche. (Fwiw one of the ICE vehicles I’m considering getting into are 08-11ish cayman S or Boxster S)

"Combustion engines do it too" is cope and you know it.
Is it a cope if I already addressed that? See a few posts up. Flipping a few variables is really not any different than remapping a few tables. And a few ICE cars do in fact have similar higher power output “pay to unlock” modes available (BMW, Porsche, and I think even the C8 corvette and some of the racier ford mustangs?) but they may have to be done upon ordering.


“What I hated
Charging the damn thing -
So you gotta pay $1500 to have a Tesla charger in your garage. Which isn't much if you're willing to pay $100,000 for a car but I of course wasn't going to do that for a rental. So I was subservient upon the Tesla Supercharge stations, which to Tesla's credit are all over my city. But then you have to sit in the Tesla or go out for a walk and let it charge. Usually this took 30 minutes which wasn't bad but if the Tesla Supercharge station is full of Teslas then the amount of electricity going into the car will be cut (which I don't think anyone mentions). One time it took a full hour to charge the Tesla. That's a lot of time.”


Tesla’s wall charger is $500 and not even needed if you have a 220v dryer outlet in your garage. Many states and localities also have tax refund or credit programs that essentially pay for the chargers and any associated work.
You’re not supposed to go to 100% every charge. Tesla suggests operating between 20-80% and exceeding this for long trips.

Not all superchargers are the same. The newer generation are extremely fast. If you put into your navigation system that you are navigating to a supercharger, the battery management system will precondition the battery for faster charging while you drive to the supercharger.

For me, a 20% to 80% charge on the newer higher output chargers is about a 15 minute charge on a hot summer day. Correct that the charge rate ramps down over 80%, but Tesla does not hide this fact. In fact they are very clear about it. (The car literally tells you)

“Cost of Electricity vs Fuel - At the end of the week the owner had me pay him back for my Tesla Supercharging and it was a mere $50. I'd estimate that'd be double the amount had I just been driving my normal car around. So yeah a theoretically cheap & inexpensive to maintain EV might save you money down the line,”

Lol if it’s an older model X, the owner probably had lifetime free supercharging. You just gave him $50 for nothing.

The X is the most like “early teslas” in the current lineup (meaning uneven QC, odd parts bin choices, questionable build quality, long lead times for replacement parts and repairs, etc). also keep in mind it is literally the first generation of every Tesla vehicle (model S has been significantly revised but was really a prototype for it’s first 7-8 years). By the time Tesla gets to a true second generation of these vehicles, they will be pretty compelling And more viable for current detractors. It is also their lowest volume model. If it feels like a prototype or kit car, that’s because it pretty much is one. The 3, Y, and S are a different story.


When I was in late high school/early college, I developed a fiery hatred of BMWs. They all look the same, are all driven be self-centered pricks, and always exist around technology hubs in Western Countries. Tesla has stolen that crown from BMW and adds the whole "I'm better, higher tech, and loving-of-the-Earth/holier than you!".

This is where automobiles are going in the future. Only rich d-bags get state-sanctioned cars (overpriced Teslas you essentially lease for 5 years before you have to buy a new one, like a lot of new cell phones). Pisses off us sane-ish folk to ditch driving altogether and hang out with niggos on the non-existent buses in our cities. Think I'm exaggerating? I'm seeing tons of people my age and younger hate cars and other drivers unless that can get a Tesla (and even then, they want everything Uber'd to them). It's all so tiresome...
All of this is in your head. Claus Schwab would prefer to make you food than to make your ride the bus and live in the pod and eat ze bugs. Don’t listen to poodle hair kids for car opinions either. They just repeat dumb memes they see streamers use
 
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The average new car purchase last year was like $47k. My $55k Tesla is well within 1 standard deviation of that figure. Once you figure in the gas savings, it’s basically the same cost to drive as a decently loaded accord or Camry plus gas costs. Those are normal NPC cars by definition.

Enthusiasts need a daily driver too. Teslas fit that bill well. I’m considering a few different directions to go on a gas car to fulfill my enthusiast desires. But I don’t see me changing from an EV for a daily driver with how fast things are changing in that industry.


I’m giving you guys decent rationalizations and information from the perspective of an owner here, but you’re just past discussing the topic, instead moving to throwing insults that just don’t land. I’m sorry that my car makes you angy. You’ll have to learn to live with your anger and ignorance. We’re multiplying rapidly with no end in sight .
The average NPC I'm talking about is not someone who's buying the a new loaded suv that's 40k+. The market for these people are cars like the Nissan Versa, Nissan Kicks, Kia Rio, Kia Soul, Kia Forte, Mitsubishi Mirage, Hyundai Accent, Hyundai Venue, Hyundai Kona, and Chevy Sonic. The average price of all these cars is 20k, which is really much more affordable to the NPC who got the covid vaccine and putters to and from their receptionist or Walmart employee job. All the cars mentioned are also very fuel efficient for what they are.

On enthusiasts, like I said we are an odd bunch. For some a Tesla may fit the bill, but for others it does not. It's really on a case by case basis. Enthusiasts are the wild card. One of my former neighbors is a car enthusiast and has a Plaid model S. He also has a Ferrari 488 and a 1000hp mk4 Supra. He clearly got the Plaid for the insane acceleration, which is really enjoys. Different priorities for different enthusiasts. From the perspective of an enthusiast who likes to tinker with and take stuff apart and you know, actually own the product, the Tesla doesn't fit the bill.
 
The average NPC I'm talking about is not someone who's buying the a new loaded suv that's 40k+. The market for these people are cars like the Nissan Versa, Nissan Kicks, Kia Rio, Kia Soul, Kia Forte, Mitsubishi Mirage, Hyundai Accent, Hyundai Venue, Hyundai Kona, and Chevy Sonic. The average price of all these cars is 20k, which is really much more affordable to the NPC who got the covid vaccine and putters to and from their receptionist or Walmart employee job. All the cars mentioned are also very fuel efficient for what they are.

Unfortunately, a lot of small cars have been killed off, due to the very narrow profit margins with them. With all of the small cars that were discontinued, it only leaves the Mirage, Versa, and Rio, in the small car category, for US buyers. The other small cars are subcompact crossovers (Kicks, Venue, Kona), which is the worst of both worlds, given the MPG penalty with them, and not getting that much more space in return. And the worst subcompact crossover is the recently killed-off Ford EcoSport, which is the definition of a phoned-in car, due to it being made in India, and was designed for emerging markets, and not the US.
 
It's going to be fun when everyone needs to upgrade their homes for charging. Hahah. Oh, you think it will be only 1 charger for a family of 4+? Settle down son, you are in for a surprise. Good luck getting one on the outside of your home if you live in an HOA. But you are a retard anyway for "owning" a house in an HOA to begin with.

When I was in late high school/early college, I developed a fiery hatred of BMWs. They all look the same, are all driven be self-centered pricks, and always exist around technology hubs in Western Countries. Tesla has stolen that crown from BMW and adds the whole "I'm better, higher tech, and loving-of-the-Earth/holier than you!".
This is mostly true. BMW has that persona especially in the States, but the M4 Competition is a nice, track oriented car for the streets.

Or you can just get the new Civic Type-R.
 
It's going to be fun when everyone needs to upgrade their homes for charging. Hahah. Oh, you think it will be only 1 charger for a family of 4+? Settle down son, you are in for a surprise. Good luck getting one on the outside of your home if you live in an HOA. But you are a retard anyway for "owning" a house in an HOA to begin with.
How many “what ifs “ can you come up with? So the kids get gas cars. The tech is evolving so fast that your hypothetical situation may not be an actual problem (just like all of the other “what ifs” that are not a problem in actuality, or simply not unique to Tesla ). We have our charger set up to be able to reach two cars at minimum and a third or fourth in a pinch without moving any of them. They will have to take turns, but the 48 amp home charger can put plenty of range into a car within a few hours. You don’t have to spend all day charging to 100%. The car navigation system will calculate the projected battery state at the destination and when you get back home. So if you are at 11% and you want to go to a different liquor stor, you punch it in the nav system and it tells you that you’ll have 7% when you get there, and 4% when you get home. Plenty of a buffer to make an extra stop, stomp on the accelerator, or hit a bit of road construction traffic. When you get home start charging. But in the real world it’s more like 56% and you don’t really have to worry about the miles. Just drive the thing like a normal car.

This is mostly true. BMW has that persona especially in the States, but the M4 Competition is a nice, track oriented car for the streets.

Or you can just get the new Civic Type-R.


The CTR is my favorite gas car. Before I wrecked my Lexus, I was going to buy a CTR and baby the thing and keep it as a garaged forever car, and drive tmy old Lexus as a DD. .Honda really nailed it with that car. Now I have the EV and that has really ruined my desire for gas cars . However I am languidly searching for a IcE weekend car. Not sure what. S2000, C5, r129 SL500, early caymanS I dunno maybe another Lexus LS boat


BMW makes some insanely fast cars, but they have gone all weird dystopian future car. They are really odd. But they perform and impress the right people (me included). M4 is a beast.
 
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How many “what ifs “ can you come up with? So the kids get gas cars. The tech is evolving so fast that your hypothetical situation may not be an actual problem (just like all of the other “what ifs” that are not a problem in actuality, or simply not unique to Tesla ).
I have already been on record saying that EVs are the next big shift in automotive. It's simply not going to be as fast as everyone likes to think that it will be. Especially Elon "FSD next year" Musk.
 
I have already been on record saying that EVs are the next big shift in automotive. It's simply not going to be as fast as everyone likes to think that it will be. Especially Elon "FSD next year" Musk.
I don’t disagree with any of this.

In fact I think that GM, Ford, VWAG are moving too fast into EV’s. Especially GM. Their impending garbage is going to cause more people to fear the change to EV’s.

Tesla can get making cars “right” wayyyy before GM gets making EV’s “right”.

I don’t need to defend Tesla. Im simply offering my direct first hand experience with the things as an alternative to the speculation and repetition of headlines and cringe boomer memes.
 
Well, I am definitely not going to get anything electric for mobility as long as it is more expensive to charge it than it is to fuel my small VW each month.
 
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Tesla can get making cars “right” wayyyy before GM gets making EV’s “right”.

Emphasis mine. "Can." Not will, and people have plenty of reasons to wait. Tesla has had 10 years of a head start, and there is plenty of time for traditional manufactures to catch up. Reliability and range. All the add-ons are fluff. I will not be getting an EV anytime soon, regardless of who makes it. This 2035 business is nonsense, and people will gladly play the waiting game given all the concerns from raw materials (mining, battery chemistries), manufacturing, reliability, and transmission/charging/storage infrastructure issues start to coalesce.
 
Emphasis mine. "Can." Not will, and people have plenty of reasons to wait. Tesla has had 10 years of a head start, and there is plenty of time for traditional manufactures to catch up. Reliability and range. All the add-ons are fluff. I will not be getting an EV anytime soon, regardless of who makes it. This 2035 business is nonsense, and people will gladly play the waiting game given all the concerns from raw materials (mining, battery chemistries), manufacturing, reliability, and transmission/charging/storage infrastructure issues start to coalesce.

I’m telling you they are doing it now (and they are only getting better) Go drive a new one for a longer drive than a spin around the parking lot. We know you won’t buy one, but you’ll understand that what I’m trying to convey is accurate


I have faith that demand and the free market will solve production supply scarcity. And “rare earth minerals” doesn’t mean they are that rare. It simply means as a portion of the earth’s makeup. Rare earth minerals are effectively extracted in industrial quantity all of the time.

The problem is energy production. Forget gay windmills and faggot solar farms. We need modern nuclear reactors. Big ones. And lots of them. Then modernize transmission grid and then everyone can suck down electrons cheap .
 
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/o/ can’t afford anything right now with all of the demand for anything vehicular. The $3k civic / Corolla clubs are relegated back to the bus, so they are taking out their frustrations by shilling EV’s as a cope.

But yeah, service costs are pretty low on EV’s. I had my tires rotated in my driveway along with other inspections for $50. The time savings alone of not having to go to a dealer or shop was easily worth 4x that to me. Of course the cope will be that the repair costs are higher. Which is true for now. But I don’t plan on owning these cars out of warranty, so it’s really the same dilemma that buyers of bmw, mb, Alfa, jag, audi face. Tesla has a fleet of modified model S and Model X that have the rear seat removed and tool storage in its place. The mobile mechanics then go to your office or residence and do the repair there for most maintenance and repair
 
The time savings alone of not having to go to a dealer or shop was easily worth 4x that to me.
Imagine going to a shop to do a tire rotation. Nigga, put a jack under there yourself ffs.

This is why I say Tesla's and all this other modern gay shit aren't for "car" people. Oh sure, they talk a big game about loving to drive and the acceleration and shit. But boy do they act squeamish about having anything to do with the car outside of driving.

Oh no! Maintenance! So scary. Where's the pride at learning about the nuts and bolts of your ride to keep it going as long as you can? Where's the life? Everytime a bugman talks about cars it sounds so hollow.
 
Imagine going to a shop to do a tire rotation. Nigga, put a jack under there yourself ffs.

This is why I say Tesla's and all this other modern gay shit aren't for "car" people. Oh sure, they talk a big game about loving to drive and the acceleration and shit. But boy do they act squeamish about having anything to do with the car outside of driving.

Oh no! Maintenance! So scary. Where's the pride at learning about the nuts and bolts of your ride to keep it going as long as you can? Where's the life? Everytime a bugman talks about cars it sounds so hollow.
Though this video is highly scripted, Ed Bolian the Lamborghini guy pretty nicely explains this difference in philosophy that you mention. Video is time stamped.

 
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