Tesla Hate Thread - oh and come seethe about EVs in general with me

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Uber driver reviewer said:
My neighbor is on his third platinum trim F-350 in five years. He tows ONCE a year. He hauls some motorcycle up to sturgis in a toy hauler lmao.
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And here I am worried about my '93 grand cherokee's (already very hurt) tranny possibly towing a golf cart on a trailer a couple times a year to the dragstrip.
 
When does the ramcharger come out? That's basically the only EV I'm interested in.
 
Betonhaus said:
When does the ramcharger come out? That's basically the only EV I'm interested in.
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It's Stellanis... so, probably never.As of May it was pushed to early 2026. I expect them to push it out again in a couple months.
 
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Law Thread 'Tesla found partially liable for fatal 2019 crash, hit with $243 million in damages'

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A Tesla drives past the Wilkie D. Ferguson Jr. U.S. Courthouse in Miami, where a civil trial began in mid-July in which plaintiffs are seeking to hold the electric vehicle maker liable for a fatal accident they blame in part on Tesla’s autopilot system. (Joe Raedle/Getty Images)

By Trisha Thadani and Francisco Alvarado
Updated August 1, 2025 at 3:26 p.m. EDT

A jury found Tesla partially liable for a fatal 2019 crash in Key Largo, Florida, and slapped the company with $243 million in damages, a stunning rebuke for CEO Elon Musk’s company, which for years has avoided...
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Li Auto has gotten controversy after the video reveal for the new i8 shows a head-on collision test of the car with a truck. / Archive

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The footage shows the truck's wheels lifting off the ground, but I don't think the laws of physics works that way. Either this test car is made of INDESTRUCTIUM, or that truck must be made of literal tin cans instead of actual metal, given how Chinese companies have been caught cheating on tests like this, in addition to their culture being based around "cheat, but don't get caught".
 
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The Big A said:
Best part, if you drive 15,000 miles a year, which the average American does, you'll save 1,500 dollars every year on fuel costs alone, provided you charge it with your own power. Even after 10 years of ownership requiring a new battery, with the money saved on brakes and fluids, you'll still be up at least 10 grand after 10 years of ownership over an ICE Silverado.

The problem is that a similarly spec'd Silverado is twenty thousand dollars cheaper. By the time you break even on ownership costs, it will be over 15 years in, which is older than the average car on American roads right now (13 years).
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In the end you just pay for the energy usage upfront due to the batteries, and even then it's highly doubtful your car will still function in 10 years compared to the ICE alternative.
 
This might be one of the fastest tech related downfalls ever seen. In less than 12 hours, Tesla's Dojo was business as usual, after inking a big Samsung deal a week ago, and now it's TOAST:

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Wccftech: Samsung Reportedly Investing Billions To Build Advanced Packaging Facility in U.S. After Securing Major Tesla Deal, Setting Up a Showdown With TSMC (archive)

2025-08-07 11:09:43 UTC
Wccftech: Tesla is Reportedly Opting for Packaging Services from Intel Foundry for Its Dojo Supercomputer, Getting the Chip Industry ‘Underdogs’ into Its Supply Chain (archive)

2025-08-07 13:28:20 UTC
TechPowerUp: Intel Wins Tesla Dojo 3 Packaging Contract in Dual-Supplier Strategy (archive)

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2025-08-07 21:12:32 UTC
Bloomberg: Tesla Disbands Dojo Supercomputer Team in Blow to AI Effort (archive)

2025-08-07 22:19:50 UTC
TechCrunch: Tesla shuts down Dojo, the AI training supercomputer that Musk said would be key to full self-driving (archive)

2025-08-07 23:42:06 UTC
CNBC: Tesla exec leading development of chip tech and Dojo supercomputer is leaving company (archive)
 
The Mass Shooter Ron Soye said:
This might be one of the fastest tech related downfalls ever seen. In less than 12 hours, Tesla's Dojo was business as usual, after inking a big Samsung deal a week ago, and now it's TOAST:
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This was one that never made any sense to me. It costs an enormous amount of money to develop a chip, and even if Tesla did develop a better AI chip than the major chip makers, merely being 10% or 20% or even 50% faster wasn't going to be good enough, since Tesla had no direct monetization plans for them, it needed to actually be more cost effective than buying a shit-ton of GPUs. Which of course it wouldn't be. But investors went nuts over the announcement and pumped the stock.
 
The Ugly One said:
even if Tesla did develop a better AI chip than the major chip makers, merely being 10% or 20% or even 50% faster wasn't going to be good enough, since Tesla had no direct monetization plans for them, it needed to actually be more cost effective than buying a shit-ton of GPUs.
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I don't see it as that much different than Google making TPUs or Amazon making Gravitons. I thought their intention was to have these in supercomputers (for crunching away to get FSD working), XAI datacenters for @grok, and maybe individual chips inside cars and humanoid robots.

Even if it's not something revolutionary, making small optimizations for your workloads while cutting out a middleman like Nvidia *could* be worth it. You have single GPUs/accelerators coming out of Nvidia that cost as much as a whole TSMC wafer, but it's at the reticle limit x2 (chiplets), not a Wafer Scale Engine.

But if all your talent leaves at once to form a new startup, I guess it's game over.
 
The Mass Shooter Ron Soye said:
I don't see it as that much different than Google making TPUs or Amazon making Gravitons.
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Google Cloud and AWS rent those out. There was no plan to rent hours on Dojo AFAIK. R&D + QA/QC costs for a chip like that have got to be high. IBM only makes a new mainframe & Power CPU every 3-4 years, and the whole division was just reported to bring in $3b, the implication there being that $3b/yr is only enough to justify a new chip on that time scale. This suggests the savings on GPUs would need to be pretty large to justify an in-house chip.

Personally, I think the whole thing was a stunt to drive the stock price up right around the time people were starting to ask where the hell Roadster 2 and FSD were, and there was never any real intent to execute.
 
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TWZ: Cybertrucks Wanted By Air Force As Missile Targets (archive)
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The U.S. Air Force is looking to buy two Tesla Cybertrucks for use as targets for precision munitions during testing and training. The service says it needs these vehicles for this purpose specifically because of the prospect of unspecified adversaries driving around in them in the future.

The Cybertrucks are among 33 target vehicles the Air Force Test Center (AFTC) is looking to acquire and have delivered to the White Sands Missile Range (WSMR) in New Mexico, according to contracting documents recently posted online.
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Tesla definitely wins the "most successful grift of the 21st century" award
 
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