When that happens you are supposed to buy a new one. When anything goes wrong with an Apple product, you are supposed to buy a new one. If the side panels are too far a part, then you are supposed to buy a new one. When your seat stops working because of weird cyber authoritarianism saying you're not allowed to adjust you're seat too often, you are supposed to buy a new one. When the battery goes on fire, you are supposed to buy a new one. Like Steve Jobs, like Elon Musk. He even wears black shirt and jeans at his product announcements.
Reference figures for those not familiar with batteries:
- This is surface temperature of the pack. The cells inside of the pack are likely much hotter. The lithium inside of the cells, even hotter.
- In a laboratory, Lithium enters thermal runaway (that fun thing you may know as EV batteries becoming flamethrowers and requiring a pool of water to stop) between. 150 to 250 degrees celcius.
- When cells in a pack degrade, it's not always even. When one cell is more degraded than others, it becomes hotter.
- Calendar degradation is just as bad, if not worse, than fast charging degradation.
- The only solutions to this problem is either to degrade charging speed significantly (so this megawatt charge is not that useful after a little while) or blow the pack.
Enjoy your fast charging! Because it's not here to stay.
The manufactures will make up a story about how fast charging is bad for the environment and that's why you now have an in-car purchase of carbon credits to get the fast charging or your car gets the super slow late for work peasant charging.
Cross post from Technology Connections lolcow thread:
Germans don't even own their property. Germany has no property laws. You can sell to a German and then repossess it and it is 100% legal. Germany has the most gay laws.
Great video of Lithum Iron Phosphate batteries blowing up a battery house.
I hope they park them further apart for long term storage. With them parked that tight, if one battery pack lets go the whole lot is going up
In other battery news, Cal Fire released their findings on an incident from 2022 where an outbuilding built to hold LPF batteries was leveled after one or more cells went into thermal runaway. Hydrogen gas built up enough that when it ignited nothing burned and it peeled apart a toolbox from the inside out. https://youtube.com/watch?v=6LbBryib8yY
They have had that Sodium battery technology for as long as they have had Lithium batteries. The only reason that story gets popular is so that EV people can cope about having fire hazard cars and pretend that all the real problems with EV will be worked out in a few years and they can forget about all the "backwards nay say-ers". Batteries have the same mass at any level of charge. A gasoline tank gets lighter the more gasoline is consumed; same for planes and plane fuel. Sodium batteries have lower voltages, so you need more batteries for the same voltage as a lithium or a different battery. If Sodium batteries are really safer, which I don't believe because they say the same thing about LiFePO which still release hydrogen gas when changing, when they standardise on Lithium Ion the companies knew about the safety risks and still decided to use the more dangerous battery. It's not the success story people want it to be.
But I'll settle for whatever single cab diesel-electric hybrid ute with a steel tray that comes out of China. I love EVs but hate that they're now all massive 7 ton SUVs that have to be "luxury" with screens and airbags and fancy bullshit everywhere. Like nigga, drop all the baggage and just give me a minimalist ~1 ton utility vehicle I can plug into a normal power point at home for daily trips with a small diesel tank and generator to charge the batteries for longer journeys
The technology exists and it's getting so cheap. Why can't we have practical things?
How hard is it to put a little LCD screen in-front of the steering wheel and a similarly sized LCD screen for the radio? It's not hard. I don't hate that the radio is a touch screen. How big the centre screen is and how minimalist the whole design is makes me think that they want to get rid of the steering wheels in the future and force you to only have AI drive you off a cliff and you only have this dumb cheap looking iPad to try to program you destination into the car. "Just use voice commands, silly" they'll say. No. It never works. Many places do not have computer friendly names. The GPS gets simple words wrong all the time with the text to speech, now I have speech to text and I will never be able to predict what garbled mess the computer actually wants to hear. It's the bad visibility and viewing angles that upset me the most.
They have had that Sodium battery technology for as long as they have had Lithium batteries. The only reason that story gets popular is so that EV people can cope about having fire hazard cars and pretend that all the real problems with EV will be worked out in a few years and they can forget about all the "backwards nay say-ers". Batteries have the same mass at any level of charge. A gasoline tank gets lighter the more gasoline is consumed; same for planes and plane fuel. Sodium batteries have lower voltages, so you need more batteries for the same voltage as a lithium or a different battery. If Sodium batteries are really safer, which I don't believe because they say the same thing about LiFePO which still release hydrogen gas when changing, when they standardise on Lithium Ion the companies knew about the safety risks and still decided to use the more dangerous battery. It's not the success story people want it to be.
While sodium does have lower voltage, this is not really the big issue. We've had Nickel Cadmium powered cars and hybrids in the past. They sucked, but they worked.
The big issue with sodium is actually the voltage range. AKA how high it goes when fully charged, and how low it goes when fully discharged.
In a lab setting, the measurement taken is done from absolutely full (as in, no power goes back in the battery when charging) to absolutely empty (as in, the battery produces no usable power, and drops voltage on any current drawn).
This is why NMC/NCA are the best batteries for highly fluctuating current draw applications that need to know the exact charge level of the battery. You check the voltage, you know pretty precisely where the battery level stands. (Voltage range, about 4.27 to 3.2)
LFP, formerly known as LiFePO4, has a different voltage curve. It's exceptionally flat. This is both good (you do not need as flexible current converters, meaning inverters are cheaper) and bad (you cannot tell where the battery level is until you charge it fully or empty it fully). This is why it's amazing for homes (generally low to medium current draw, consistent) and kinda bad for EVs (need a full charge regularly, which, unlike the EV retards say, DOES damage your battery as bad as NCA/NMC! They're just retarded). (Voltage range, about 3.4 to 2.6)
Sodium Ion chemistries, at least the only ones on the market right now, have a voltage curve like this (compared to LFP)
While it is linear, like NMC/NCA, but unlike these chemistries, the voltage range (recommended) is 4.3 to 1.5 volts. The voltage more than doubles between "empty" and full.
Why did I quote "empty"? Because sodium ion can safely go to 0 volts and recharge. Many manufacturers quote the full charge range (0-4.3v) instead of the recommended one.
They have dogshit density too. That could be compensated a bit, but not as much as LiFePo4 due to the size of sodium ions.
You can't use it on home solar due to their volatility. You can't use it as a 12v car battery as you'd either blow your alternator, or drop too low before being able to start your car, or need active power correction (adding a passive drain on your battery!), and the only currently commercialized pack sells it as an addition to an LFP battery. Basically making it a shitty range extender, but gaining none of the fire safety of Sodium Ion, as LFP is there to start the (rather higher) thermal runaway of sodium.
Truly, a clownshow.
Edit: They also have terrible round trip efficiency (as in, the power you put in is much less than it puts out) than any lithium chemistry.
Highly recommend this guy for battery safety, and the diy solar forum:
the best batteries in theory are solid state ones since theyd be much lighter and have a higher energy density than lithium ion as well as not being prone to thermal runaway which is a reason the lithium batteries have a chance at exploding. but the tech is still being developed and it currently isnt economically practical to start mass manufacturing them yet
Fun fact about the iX, on top of being relatively slow (for the horsepower/torque), inefficient and remarkably bad at charging for the price, it also has a fixed front hood with no way to easily open or hold it up.
You literally cannot repair it safely even if you wanted to.
What is there to repair under the hood of a 2026 electric vehicle? Gonna be doing a spark plug swap or taking the throttle body off to clean the butterfly?
What kind of horseshit argument is that, you intellectual nigger? How the fuck can anyone's brain jump to a conclusion that:
1. solving an infrastructure and regulatory problem is unrealistic (see: Jewple vs EU war over USB-C)
2. solving the biggest and most obvious disadvantage of EVs (refueling, which takes far longer than in case of ICE cars), something that is actively researched by chinks is unrealistic
Of course, noone made an EV battery yet with all the features I have outlined in my post, which is the precise point why I am not interested in EV in 2026. And all I ask for is, precisely, an EV without any real disadvantage compared to non EV. Only that.
"Just swap the batteries out ..." Wait they did that in the 1920 and it never caught on and the oil companies bought it and put it out of business. Also Aluminum batteries were suppressed. This was a technology that consumed the electrolyte while the battery was used so it would work like a solid fuel. It was squashed before it came to market. Just accept you are supposed to only drive your go card around your 15 minute prison camp and be happy because you will be sent to hole for showing any emotion other than happy.
What is there to repair under the hood of a 2026 electric vehicle? Gonna be doing a spark plug swap or taking the throttle body off to clean the butterfly?
While most of the drivetrain is accessed from below, most EVs still put a ton of stuff under the hood, amongst which often:
- BCM/ECU
- Air filters
- AC pumps, heat sinks, and coolant loops
- Brake booster
- Low Voltage batteries (12,14,48v) which are still required on EVs (you can't start an EV if it dies either)
- DC-DC converters to charge the lv battery (this is the part that dies all the time in Korean EVs)
- AC-DC battery charger (often combined with the DC-DC converter)
- Fuses
- The high voltage disconnect for firefighters
Especially that last one, if you cannot access it safely, the HV battery may stay active and make parts of the chassis live if it's damaged.
2. solving the biggest and most obvious disadvantage of EVs (refueling, which takes far longer than in case of ICE cars), something that is actively researched by chinks is unrealistic
Most recent EVs will charge 10-80% on a DC fast charger in under 30 minutes and if you really want to stretch your range you can go up to 95% in under an hour. I can add 250 miles in about 25 minutes using only a 150kw charger, and there are 350kw charging stations out there as well.
You want to try and charge just enough to get to your destination at a DCFC because of the cost so you could end up stopping for less time.
What's absolutely worse is that EVERYTHING is becoming this shit standard. Went to a Lexus/Toyota dealer for a rubber cover for the hatch button, a $5-10 piece, but guess what? They only sell the entire latch assy for $500 that happens to have the $5 rubber cover. Fuck this future.
"Removing the engine but retaining the drivetrain significantly reduces the complexities of the conversion, and allows the driver the ability to change gears – albeit without a clutch." Imagine having a motor on your canoe, but still have to paddle it.
Also of course leave it to a Korean car mfg to blatantly rip Japanese designs to use as their own, much like most other things.
"The vehicle owner purchased the vehicle from General Vehicle Company (GVC, a subsidiary of the General Electric Company) without a battery and the electricity was purchased from Hartford Electric through an exchangeable battery. The owner paid a variable charge and a monthly service fee to cover the maintenance and storage of the truck." from here.
But look at what horrific part finally did catch on - subscription services for parts of the damn car..........not to mention that cost of the car itself back then surely and heavily outweighed the cost of the battery itself unlike today when 10/30k of the shitbox is the damn battery, much like the gas engine+tranny. Nor is it a milk crate with a simple positive and negative terminal anymore, so swapping modern nuclear-level power plants would not be quicker than filling a 20 gallon tank of gas. I said it before and I will again - EVs will catch right on when getting 400 mile range back into them will become but a 5-10 minute affair, which is won't.
What's absolutely worse is that EVERYTHING is becoming this shit standard. Went to a Lexus/Toyota dealer for a rubber cover for the hatch button, a $5-10 piece, but guess what? They only sell the entire latch assy for $500 that happens to have the $5 rubber cover. Fuck this future.
You can't even buy aftermarket wiper refills in most stores anymore, just full wiper blades. You can still get refills from the parts counter at a Toyota dealership, but the rubber inserts by themselves cost as much as much as a new wiper blade. A web search shows that they're still theoretically available, but good luck finding a parts store that actually carries them. The last few times I needed to change mine, I checked Napa, O'Reilly, and Auto Zone, but they only carry the full blades now. The Toyota dealership did have them in the parts department, but every time they've either been out of stock or had the full blades on sale for less. It's madness.
You can't even buy aftermarket wiper refills in most stores anymore, just full wiper blades. You can still get refills from the parts counter at a Toyota dealership, but the rubber inserts by themselves cost as much as much as a new wiper blade. A web search shows that they're still theoretically available, but good luck finding a parts store that actually carries them. The last few times I needed to change mine, I checked Napa, O'Reilly, and Auto Zone, but they only carry the full blades now. The Toyota dealership did have them in the parts department, but every time they've either been out of stock or had the full blades on sale for less. It's madness.
Are there even any modern wipers with replaceable rubber inserts? I've just been buying same good old $5 "disposables" and never gave it much thought until I got my 80s Yota with actually replaceable rubber blades.
Most recent EVs will charge 10-80% on a DC fast charger in under 30 minutes and if you really want to stretch your range you can go up to 95% in under an hour. I can add 250 miles in about 25 minutes using only a 150kw charger, and there are 350kw charging stations out there as well.
This works fine if you don't regularly do long trips. I used to drive 1200 miles in a week in the UK. I used to literally drive straight into a petrol station, fill up, piss, grab a Coke Zero and get back on the road, which takes maybe 10 minutes.
30 minutes of waiting to charge is too long when your drive is 6+ hours long and you are doing that twice a week or more. You are going to lose an hour or more charging. So a 6-hour trip can become an 8-hour trip easily.
Imagine having a motor on your canoe, but still have to paddle it.