Tesla Hate Thread - oh and come seethe about EVs in general with me

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Another big problem with these deluxe golf carts is that they don't make any engine noise, so if you're walking in a parking lot and happen to be passing behind a Tesla driven by someone with the "start her up, immediately shift into reverse, and step on the accelerator without looking" attitude, you aren't getting any warning that you're about to be run over because there's no ICE to crank. It's also bad when you have weather conditions that greatly reduce visibility and standard procedure at a rural intersection is to roll down the windows and listen for cross traffic, since Teslas don't make any engine noise. They ought to be required by law to have a pair (for redundancy) of weatherproof speakers playing appropriate engine noise MP3s when in operation.
 
DavidS877 said:
Obviously, this is a troll, but I'll take the bait.
Randomly chosen city pair about 5 hours apart:
Denver, CO to Hays, KS.
Without an electric car:
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With an electric car:
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So, it turns a 5 hour drive into.... a 5 hour drive.

Personally, I can't sit for 5 hours so I'd need a rest stop either way and would probably spend 1-2 minutes plugging in the electric car and then 1-2 minutes to unplug it even though there's no actual reason to charge. Not sure if there's a Buc-ee's on that route.
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It’ll consume 78% of your battery life, so you’d need to charge before you leave and hunt for a charger when you arrive. And I don’t know about you but I get anxious when my phone drops below 30%, and 12% is low enough that I could really face the possibility of being stranded if conditions aren’t perfect or it takes too long to find a charger.
 
DavidS877 said:
Obviously, this is a troll, but I'll take the bait.
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Not a troll, but maybe a little hyperbolic. Google Maps is an estimation of journey time. It makes the assumption that you aren't going to need to make stops.

So a refuel, coffee and toilet break at the motorway services.
  1. You have to slow down on the highway to pull off. You need to get into the right lane, maybe go through some intersections. So we will say (2-5 minutes).
  2. You have to then negotiate the services. (2 minutes).
  3. You then have to fill up. (2 minutes).
  4. Go to the loo (2-5 minutes).
  5. Get a coffee (2-5 minutes).
  6. Pay (1 minute).
  7. Go back to the car, put the phone back in the cradle, start the car, etc. (1-2 minutes).
  8. Go back out (2-5 minutes)
  9. Get back on the motorway (2-5 minutes)
So it is easy to see how you can lose 20-30 minutes of journey time by one quick stop. If you are doing these sorts of journeys regularly (like I was), you become acutely aware of this.

In an electric car the recharge stop needs to be much longer. Sure, you can do some of those other things while you are waiting to charge. This is on the assumption that there are spaces to charge (which I've noticed there often is not).

But it's still going to be an additional 45 minutes to 1 hour for the journey time. If you have to do that twice, that is 1 hour 30 minutes. So a 5-hour journey can turn into a 7-8 hour journey easily.

It is like F1. The time lost isn't them doing the tyre change, as that is like 5 seconds (or however long it is now). It is the time lost on having to slow down and enter the pit lane that loses them the most amount of time.
 
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Unimaginative Username said:
Another big problem with these deluxe golf carts is that they don't make any engine noise, so if you're walking in a parking lot and happen to be passing behind a Tesla driven by someone with the "start her up, immediately shift into reverse, and step on the accelerator without looking" attitude, you aren't getting any warning that you're about to be run over because there's no ICE to crank. It's also bad when you have weather conditions that greatly reduce visibility and standard procedure at a rural intersection is to roll down the windows and listen for cross traffic, since Teslas don't make any engine noise. They ought to be required by law to have a pair (for redundancy) of weatherproof speakers playing appropriate engine noise MP3s when in operation.
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The reversing AVAS on a Tesla is actually fairly loud, well done w/r/t safety, and easy to identify:

The forward AVAS, though, is barely audible and only loud enough to comply with regulations, it's kind of a noise-ish thing?:

Completely insufficient compared to what the reference in AVAS, Toyota, does on their hybrids (And has been doing so for over 15 years now!):

The science behind AVAS is actually pretty cool when it's done properly (and not half-assed like Tesla's forward AVAS).
You need:
- To be able to guess how far the vehicle is without having heard the AVAS before
- To be able to guess whether it's approaching or distancing
- To be able to guess speed
- To be able to find the direction of the vehicle fairly precisely

Most of these engage the field of Psychoacoustics, and is a fascinating rabbit hole to fall into if you have a few hours to throw away.
 
Burnt Effigy said:
The reversing AVAS on a Tesla is actually fairly loud, well done w/r/t safety, and easy to identify:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=gJ9S5-4semE
The forward AVAS, though, is barely audible and only loud enough to comply with regulations, it's kind of a noise-ish thing?:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=kASCboM3z9k
Completely insufficient compared to what the reference in AVAS, Toyota, does on their hybrids (And has been doing so for over 15 years now!):
https://youtube.com/watch?v=3Vy42zphNp4
The science behind AVAS is actually pretty cool when it's done properly (and not half-assed like Tesla's forward AVAS).
You need:
- To be able to guess how far the vehicle is without having heard the AVAS before
- To be able to guess whether it's approaching or distancing
- To be able to guess speed
- To be able to find the direction of the vehicle fairly precisely

Most of these engage the field of Psychoacoustics, and is a fascinating rabbit hole to fall into if you have a few hours to throw away.
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That sound is the equivalent of the Firealarm chirping noise, never understood why it's that hard for making loud enough EVs without resorting to speakers..
 
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