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Thanksgiving 'myth'? Universities ask whether Americans should 'reconsider' holiday as 'Day of Mourning'​

At least six universities are participating in the event​

Several American universities are participating in an event asking whether Americans should "reconsider" the Thanksgiving holiday.

The alumni associations of the University of Maryland, Florida Gulf Coast University, Washington State University, University of Central Arkansas, Hiram College in Ohio and California State University, Long Beach are participating.

After the initial publication of this story, a spokesperson for UCA claimed it had "no knowledge" of the webinar. After Fox News asked UCA why it had no knowledge of a webinar its own website promoted, the spokesperson said, "ALC is a contracted service that the UCA Alumni Association uses for content. From what we’ve been able to determine, the information was mistakenly linked to UCA. This webinar was not one that was requested by our alumni association." The event has now been removed from UCA's website.

According to the event description, the recent national shift from Columbus Day to Indigenous Peoples Day "reflects a changing national mood," and asks if Americans should do the same with Thanksgiving.

"Starting in 1970, many Americans, led by Indigenous protesters, believed that Thanksgiving should be rededicated as a National Day of Mourning to reflect the centuries-long displacement and persecution of Native Americans. The recent shift from Columbus Day to Indigenous Peoples Day reflects a changing national mood," the event description states. "Should Americans reconsider Thanksgiving when wrestling with our country’s complicated past?"

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"The myth of Thanksgiving is powerful and ubiquitous. In the autumn of 1621, so American legend has it, English Pilgrims seeking religious freedom shared a feast with Wampanoags, the residents of the territory the Pilgrims labeled Plymouth," the event description adds. "The good feelings of that meal soon faded when Native peoples and English colonists, including the Pilgrims, began to compete for resources, initiating conflicts that raged for generations. Yet despite the often-violent relations between the nation and Indigenous communities, the myth of coexistence remained."

The event's speaker, Peter C. Mancall, a professor at the University of Southern California, told Fox News that his goal for the event is to "explain the context for events and offer insights about how to interpret the existing evidence."

"I respect my audience’s ability to draw their own conclusions about the material," he said.

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A spokesperson for the University of Maryland said that the alumni association has a contract with the Alumni Learning Consortium, which hosts the event. A spokesperson for California State University, Long Beach also said that university pays to participate in the Alumni Learning Consortium.

A spokesperson for Florida Gulf Coast University said that the university's alumni association pays $2,500 to Professional Book Club Guru, which also provides access to the event. A spokesperson for Hiram College in Ohio said the college also pays for events through the Professional Book Club Guru.

The Alumni Learning Consortium is managed by the Professional Book Club Guru, which states that its mission is to "help alumni associations create more and higher quality online programs to drive engagement."
 
Modern Thanksgiving myth about the pilgrims and injuns is aspirational not a memorial

Do these faggots know that Thanksgiving started from a proclamation by Abraham Lincoln during the war to free the POC to give thanks to Providence for recent northern victories? He made several such proclamations, and the November one stuck as a yearly thing
 
None of the rez dudes did.

Once in a while you'd get some girl who'd go to college and start yammering about shit like that.

Her dad or brother would usually just smack her in the mouth, tell her to shut the fuck up, and you wouldn't hear about it again or she'd leave for the big city.

Most guys I know on the rez, even though they have a casino now, are more worried about shit like "Huh, that's a lot of meth in my cousin's car..." and "Welp, the roof leaks again" and "Well, shit, Two-Dogs Fucking's kid is huffing gas he siphoned out of my generator again."

Course, I haven't been back in like 10 years, shit might be different now.
I've found that most actual natives don't really want to 'celebrate' "National We Got Bitch Slapped by the White Man Day". It's just a reminder that for all their bravado and warrior culture, they met the white man a hundred times and got reamed a hundred times. Most cultures don't want to be reminded that they sucked and died, especially if it happened centuries ago and no longer has any bearing on anything.

The only exceptions seem to be cultural nomads who feel no actual connection to their ancestors and just want to grift for victimbucks.
 
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There are holidays in which the original meaning has been lost or blurred out. Christmas, Halloween, Easter...all these blur the lines between pagan, Catholic and secular now. Some just secular. Honestly, it doesn't really matter why we do 'Thanksgiving'. Its just giving thanks to strangers and your family. I mean, I don't think anybody over the age of 4 thinks about or gives a fuck about the pilgrim story. Take it, I don't give a shit. The 17th century was fucking miserable in 'The New World' and everyone was fucking dying.

Just use it as an excuse to eat food and drink booze.


It isn't Vespucci, because his name is too ethnic. Italians like myself were fucking hated back in the day. Even though Columbus was Italian, his name didn't SOUND Italian. And Columbus never set foot on the new world. He didn't actually set a single toe on American soil. He just found the islands and went into Central America. He fucked up, thought he was in India and treated the natives so bad, even the Pope and the Spaniards were like "Holy fucking shit, what the fuck are you doing you stupid spaghetti nigger, stop."

I hate Columbus. He was a fucking prick and didn't even discover the United States. "Columbus Day" has a better ring to it than "Amerigo Day" or "Vespucci Day". Of course, the first 'Columbus Day' was celebrated by Tammany Hall, a notoriously anti-immigrant political machine.

Truthfully, it should be a Viking Holiday, as we know factually that the Norse colonized North America 500 years before Columbus did. And they, you know, set foot on the continent, even if it was Canada. There's also a ton of interesting theories about other civilizations being the first to hit America, but we only really have hard evidence about the Norse.

So I don't give a shit about Columbus Day or the fucking start of Thanksgiving. If you hate it so much, just remove the myth from schools. Keep everything else. The myth doesn't matter, it isn't fucking important. What is important is that it is people coming together to just try and enjoy life.
Don't insult my Italian man Columbus. It's anti-blackness leaking from your white body.
 
Truthfully, it should be a Viking Holiday, as we know factually that the Norse colonized North America 500 years before Columbus did.
They just need to make Halloween an official holiday instead and just end the controversy.

Also, I always lol when someone brings up the EVIL WHITE SETTLER BLANKETS WITH SMALL POX. Do these faggots even know when germ theory was invented?
 
I believe people shouldn’t be judged by the sins of their fathers. They should be judged by their own actions. It just so happens the assholes that support this sort of thing are also the same jerks that want to forcibly change languages they don’t even speak. Fuck off neo-Puritans and leave Spanish, French, etc., alone.
 
This is funny because it is specifically universities asking for this. Around Thanksgiving, universities tend to give kids 3 days off of school. Officially it's 2 days, but a lot of professors leave early and the ones that don't tend to be more forgiving, so in practice 3 days.

You know what else gets kids 3 days off of school? Usually around finals week, grandma dies. The exact bereavement policy varies from school to school, but the general idea stays the same. Someone dies, you need to mourn, you get time off.

The first few examples I found online grant 3 days for:

The death of a direct family member in state


The death of extended family


The death of friends (overseas)



Standards operating procedure is already for universities to act like they're mourning during Thanksgiving. Now they're just being extra obnoxious about it trying to drag everyone else in.

Actually I guess the part where in both cases the kid in theory returns home during the break is consistent too. They just aren't very political about it when they're really in mourning.
Based on personal experience, it's up to the professor. You don't wear your mask exactly the way she wants it, that's an unexcused absence. I doubt they'd care about YOUR mourning.
 
Based on personal experience, it's up to the professor. You don't wear your mask exactly the way she wants it, that's an unexcused absence. I doubt they'd care about YOUR mourning.
They literally don't.

Parent/sibling died? Too bad, make it to class or take the F.

"Well, if they're dead, they'll still be dead when you finish the test."
 
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Based on personal experience, it's up to the professor. You don't wear your mask exactly the way she wants it, that's an unexcused absence. I doubt they'd care about YOUR mourning.
It might depend on how far woke the school is and how much the professors are forced to cater to the students.

Once a professor told me she had to adjust for a kid with the disability of not being able to wake up in the morning. I'm sure there's some element of her simplifying the description when retelling the story, but also come on class times are posted during registration maybe consider taking a course that is not by definition incompatible with your very existence.

Parent/sibling died? Too bad, make it to class or take the F.
At the place that takes "can't wake up in the morning" as a valid disability, they'd give the student an I (incomplete) and tell them to make up for it next semester.
 
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Well Thanksgiving is about being thankful for what you have and spending time with family. The true meaning of it is too wholesome and thus racist.

Just a PSA, please take the time to count your blessings and be thankful for the good things in your life. There is a lot of shit in the world, true, but please take a step back for a moment and look at the glass as being half for a moment no matter how pessimistic things may be in your life. There surely must be at least one thing you can be thankful for.
 
Yeah, for me it's a day of mourning. As in sleeping all morning and eating yourself into a coma and not giving a shit about indians
 
Of course it’s a fucking myth. You think the Injuns and Pilgrims all ate Turkey and Dressing together with punkin pie for dessert and a rousing chorus of “Kumbaya” before heading home for the night? "When the legend becomes fact, print the legend."
 
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