The 40 hour work week - Society is changing. Should our work schedules change too?

[Fascist Kirk]

The best part of working IT is that the one that employed you doesn't know what the fuck you are doing.
You can do whatever, and they are afraid to ask questions because they think they will sound retarded.

I work property maintenance and they same thing applies, the one who hired me doesn't know what the hell i'm doing, gives vague assignments and never checks on what I have done, there are days where im tempted to find a tavern and drink Margaretta's all day because my employers won't check in ......

 

[AskeDead]

Thursday in the 4HL. We're almost there, fellas.

 

[UnknownUser]

Wow office work sounds wild. I'm borderline retarded and barely graduated high school, so all I have ever done is entry level physical labor. I've had at least 12 jobs so far in my life (Temp work for 2 years filled out alot of that) I've done everything from being a cashier, to making glue, bottle making factory work, I've worked in warehouses, perlite cooking you name it.

I have pretty much done nothing but all that low level physical grunt work I keep hearing about that ethier Mexicans are gonna take or robots are gonna take. Now I don't mean to sound judgemental, but my stupid ass who spends way to much money on dumb shit like video games and anime has somehow lucked out in life and managed to only ever work 40 hours or less my whole life, on top of that I'm married have 2 kids a dog, a house, a car, all that jazz.

Sure I have a mortgage, and some debt leftover from a battle against cancer, but I'm doing just fine in fact my fat ass needs to eat less because I've become so complacent and happy.

I'm wondering is this whole debate about 40 hours and living wage stuff all coming from office people? My coworkers in all these fields are doing just fine, for the most part and we don't make alot of money and we know that we are the bottom of the totem pole.

I'm not saying that we don't have financial problems but nothing in the range of what I see people complaining about.

 

[Whoopsie Daisy]

Did you have a stroke halfway through or what

Don't know why that didn't post properly. Must be the DDoS

I cleared the debt and bought a house 2 years later. I had a cheap phone, didn't eat out, go out or go on holiday. The only luxury I bought was an X1X and I worked every hour I could. I knuckled down and didn't live much of a life for two years, but then I bought a house and, thanks to covid, sold it for twice what it was worth.

Those two years of graft paid off big time.

 

[VargReallyDidNothingWrong]

Don't know why that didn't post properly. Must be the DDoS

I cleared the debt and bought a house 2 years later. I had a cheap phone, didn't eat out, go out or go on holiday. The only luxury I bought was an X1X and I worked every hour I could. I knuckled down and didn't live much of a life for two years, but then I bought a house and, thanks to covid, sold it for twice what it was worth.

Those two years of graft paid off big time.

OK so what you're telling me is:

1. You had to sign away your entire life for 2 years during your youth and work every hour you could in order to do what you did.
2. A key part of your "trading up" plan was making a 100% profit due to a pandemic.
3. This is a reasonable course of action to expect every young person to do.



If you don't mind, can you share how much your property initially cost when you bought it?

 

[Whoopsie Daisy]

OK so what you're telling me is:

1. You had to sign away your entire life for 2 years during your youth and work every hour you could in order to do what you did.
2. A key part of your "trading up" plan was making a 100% profit due to a pandemic.
3. This is a reasonable course of action to expect every young person to do.

"in my youth" is debatable.
I only had no life over two years to recover from the debt and buy a house asap. I could have had a semi-life and spread my plan over five years.
Covid helped sell the house for more, without it, I would have still made a tidy profit. The house market goes up and down.
We're now living through a slide back down and anyone who wants to buy a house but doesn't wait 12-18 months for the prices to crash, is a moron.

If you don't mind, can you share how much your property initially cost when you bought it?

£70,000. 10% deposit.

 

[VargReallyDidNothingWrong]

£70,000. 10% deposit.

OK. You said you bought that house + paid off a nearly 20k debt over two years.

That means you were paying an average of 45k a year into just this.

Presumably you had other things you had to pay for during that time, rent, food, other expenses? Lets be generous and say your mum let you live with her and freeload completely, no need to pay rent or food, you don't spend money on anything else, you walk to work

Is 3750 a month, after taxes, a common salary for a kid fresh out of university?

 

[The Last Stand]

The best part of working IT is that the one that employed you doesn't know what the fuck you are doing.
You can do whatever, and they are afraid to ask questions because they think they will sound retarded.
This way you can do alot of personal stuff of play some vidya during your 40 hour work week.
I believe of my 40h week i only work like 20.

I'm sure there's any job where you can get away with shit.

 

[Whoopsie Daisy]

OK. You said you bought that house + paid off a nearly 20k debt over two years.

That means you were paying an average of 45k a year into just this.

Presumably you had other things you had to pay for during that time, rent, food, other expenses? Lets be generous and say your mum let you live with her and freeload completely, no need to pay rent or food, you don't spend money on anything else, you walk to work

Is 3750 a month, after taxes, a common salary for a kid fresh out of university?

I don't know where you're from but bought a house generally means "got a mortgage" paid off a house means "I own it". I got a mortgage on the house and before buying it I rented. My mortgage was half my rent so I saved money buying a house.


The split was roughly 25% of my wage on food and non-overhead spending, 75% on bills, clearing the debt and saving up. I also bought a car for £750 and fixed any problems myself.
None of which I could have done if I had a Sky bill of £100, £50/month phone, £50/month internet, £50/month subscription fees, £200 ubereats, £250 a month vice (drinking, drugs, gambling, gaming) spending. Those alone come to £700, which is a fuck load of money to piss away every month.

Most people don't budget, if they did, they would realise they don't need to pay for the majority of the shit they pay for.

And that returns us to the point of my PL sperging; people aren't poor, they're just dumb fucks who can't budget, won't give up their vices and need to 'keep-up-with-the-jones's'

 

[VargReallyDidNothingWrong]

I don't know where you're from but bought a house generally means "got a mortgage" paid off a house means "I own it". I got a mortgage on the house and before buying it I rented. My mortgage was half my rent so I saved money buying a house.


The split was roughly 25% of my wage on food and non-overhead spending, 75% on bills, clearing the debt and saving up. I also bought a car for £750 and fixed any problems myself.
None of which I could have done if I had a Sky bill of £100, £50/month phone, £50/month internet, £50/month subscription fees, £200 ubereats, £250 a month vice (drinking, drugs, gambling, gaming) spending. Those alone come to £700, which is a fuck load of money to piss away every month.

Most people don't budget, if they did, they would realise they don't need to pay for the majority of the shit they pay for.

And that returns us to the point of my PL sperging; people aren't poor, they're just dumb fucks who can't budget, won't give up their vices and need to 'keep-up-with-the-jones's'

You're saying you spent 75% of your paycheck on bills and paying off the mortgage, which means you were earning in excess of 5000 GBP a month in order to have paid off your 18k debt + your 70k house mortgage in 2 years. Assuming the mortgage was 0% APR and that entire 75% went towards paying off the mortgage and wasn't split into other bills like electricity, gas, etc.

You didn't react to the biggest part of my question - do you think your ability to grind and earn over 5k a month for 2 years straight while maintaining virtually no spending on frivolities is something most people will be able to accomplish?

Because right now you just come off as some sort of autistic hermit who thinks what he did was perfectly normal and everyone who doesn't do the same is just weak.

Institute of Student Employers (ISE) research indicates that the average graduate salary in the UK sits at £33,229, however, with ISE research primarily focusing on large businesses and graduate schemes, this figure is significantly higher than the average graduate salary reported by the Higher Education Statistics Agency (HESA)

Even with a higher-then-average salary, a university graduate will have to work 2.5 years to pay off the mortgage on a flat that costs 70k, and that does not include any other spending. If you factor in only half of their paycheck going to paying off the mortgage, then it will take them 50 months to pay it off, not including any compounding interest, assuming the mortgage was 0% APR like a loan from yer mum.

And they'll have to survive those 50 months on a budget of 1300 a month to spend on everything they may possibly need money for - food, clothes, gas for the car, train tickets, etc.

 

[₲litches]

I work three 12-hour shifts a week, and I fucking love it. Four days off per week, and I’m still a full-time employee with benefits. I even like the rotating weekends - bliss, if you’re an introvert who likes going shopping in empty stores on weekday mornings. You can schedule your appointments any damn time you please. Go hiking and not pass a soul on the trail.
Yeah, the shifts are long, but I only ever work two days in a row, so there’s always a day off in sight. It also leaves plenty of time to pick up shifts if you really want to earn a bit extra.

 

[Fascist Kirk]

Wow office work sounds wild. I'm borderline retarded and barely graduated high school, so all I have ever done is entry level physical labor. I've had at least 12 jobs so far in my life (Temp work for 2 years filled out alot of that) I've done everything from being a cashier, to making glue, bottle making factory work, I've worked in warehouses, perlite cooking you name it.

I have pretty much done nothing but all that low level physical grunt work I keep hearing about that ethier Mexicans are gonna take or robots are gonna take. Now I don't mean to sound judgemental, but my stupid ass who spends way to much money on dumb shit like video games and anime has somehow lucked out in life and managed to only ever work 40 hours or less my whole life, on top of that I'm married have 2 kids a dog, a house, a car, all that jazz.

Sure I have a mortgage, and some debt leftover from a battle against cancer, but I'm doing just fine in fact my fat ass needs to eat less because I've become so complacent and happy.

I'm wondering is this whole debate about 40 hours and living wage stuff all coming from office people? My coworkers in all these fields are doing just fine, for the most part and we don't make alot of money and we know that we are the bottom of the totem pole.

I'm not saying that we don't have financial problems but nothing in the range of what I see people complaining about

Jim is that you?

 

[anustart76]

£70,000. 10% deposit.

I'd kill to find a nice house in a nice area that cheap

 

[Whoopsie Daisy]

You didn't react to the biggest part of my question - do you think your ability to grind and earn over 5k a month for 2 years straight while maintaining virtually no spending on frivolities is something most people will be able to accomplish?

Because right now you just come off as some sort of autistic hermit who thinks what he did was perfectly normal and everyone who doesn't do the same is just weak.

I didn't pay off the mortgage and by the time I got a mortgage on that house the loan was cleared and I halved my rent bill because my mortgage repayments of 2.4% was pennies vs rent.
I paid off a significant amount of the mortgage so that I saw a healthy gain when it sold.

I do expect people to do what they need to do to sort their finances out, rather than bitching and moaning about poverty and "boomers stole muh future".
If you remove the £18k of debt from the situation, then saving for a house doesn't become as much of a slog and is within reach of all but the laziest retards.

I worked damned hard, pulling in 60 hours a week and because of it, I now live a very comfortable life. A little hard work always pays off.

Even with a higher-then-average salary, a university graduate will have to work 2.5 years to pay off the mortgage on a flat that costs 70k, and that does not include any other spending. If you factor in only half of their paycheck going to paying off the mortgage, then it will take them 50 months to pay it off, not including any compounding interest, assuming the mortgage was 0% APR like a loan from yer mum

lol, imagine going to university. Get a trade, you'll earn more money than all but the best lawyers and Dr's, and much, much quicker.

I'd kill to find a nice house in a nice area that cheap

They were out there and they will be again. Just wait 12 months and look at ex-council houses and be willing to relocate.

 

[UnknownUser]

Jim is that you?

I wish Jim was as lucky as me, I beat my cancer (for now), poor Metokur has way more issues then I ever did. Chemo and cancer was a pain but at least it was one thing at a time. Jim is probably gonna have what he has named after him at this rate.

 

[Baguette Child]

Currently working healthcare/nursing at a fairly sizeable hospital. Three 12 hour days plus a float shift of 4 hours.


Sounds reasonable, right? Oh, except they can call me literally any time on two additional days of the week and I am legally obligated to drop whatever the fuck I am doing and fucking show up to cover for whoever didn't fucking come in that day.


All this can be yours with four years of education and a pay rate equivalent to a McDonalds assistant manager. No wonder the kids don't want these jobs. Fuck making people work bullshit hours for barely-sustenance pay.

 

[Fascist Kirk]

I wish Jim was as lucky as me, I beat my cancer (for now), poor Metokur has way more issues then I ever did. Chemo and cancer was a pain but at least it was one thing at a time. Jim is probably gonna have what he has named after him at this rate.

I am still here, and debt free, and healthy, and poor ...... how do I get me some cancer? bad joke but is it anymore with 19% inflation in 3 years ..... ruh roh starting to sound like a canadian asking the state to off me ....... lol shit is hard and its going to get harder buckle up dorthy, we are not in a kansas dust bowl.............

 

[AskeDead]

We made it fellas. Friday at last.

 

[Colloid]

lol, imagine going to university. Get a trade, you'll earn more money than all but the best lawyers and Dr's, and much, much quicker

Depends on the degree. Most STEM fields still pay well above trades to this day, with the added benefit that you also won’t tear up your body more quickly with the work involved. There’s tradeoffs for every line of work out there in terms of job security.

 

[Quijibo69]

We made it fellas. Friday at last.

It's a weekend I have off, it must be a mistake!