Please stop. It hurts to read such idiocy.
Death to all amnesiacs.
It is living, probably shouldn't have this conversation if you don't have even the most basic understanding of biology.
Dude stop playing with definitions. Cells/bacteria/whatever might be living but they're not conscious and not capable of higher level thought. The same goes for a fetus.
No but I can use statistics. Roe vs Wade was in 1973. Crime plummeted 20 years later in the 90's when all those kids would have become adults
I'm not going to bother with people who equate bacteria, which never was nor ever will be human life (and wasn't purposefully conceived and thus one's responsibility), to actual human life.
just because one thing happened, doesn't impy that it caused another thing. civil rights for minorities was solidified recently as well. that probably had more of an effect on crime than abortion, if it had much effect at all.
What else could it be then? Economists and academics have tried to find other links only to come up short. Before Roe vs Wade only five states had legalized abortions. They all conveniently had significant crime drops three years before the rest of the states followed suit. It's not like this is a difficult concept. It's not like unwanted children will be winning any nobel prizes
Finally we can agree on something. Arguing over this shit is pointless. We're never going to convince each other anyways.
where are you getting your data?
Genuinely, I hear that much more from your side, which I think is a bit telling. Truthfully, I agree that we'll probably never convince each other regardless of mindset, but on principle I think it is important to go into debate with a willingness to concede. I think those in favor of abortion more often come into the argument to defend their perceived and legally established "rights", with this naturally lending to defensive thinking and behavior. Personally, I feel myself leaning that way on the topic of gun rights, so I imagine it's similar for you guys on this issue.
i think the main difference between abortion and guns is that one isn't explicitly in the constitution.
I agree, but I'm more concerned about the mindset. In fact, if the right to bear arms wasn't explicitly in the Constitution I'd probably be even more apt to be defensive on the matter, which sort of highlights another reason those in favor of abortion tend to be so defensive.
Wow. You're one special cookie, ain't ya?
The theory was spearheaded by this paper. It was published in 2001 but the original authors revisited the topic in 2019 and found their numbers still held up. The major civil rights reforms happened in the 60's yet crime continued to rise until abortions became easily available
well the effect wasnt going to be immediate. it takes time for attitudes and institutions to change.
Dude what else do you want? They did a similar study for European countries and found the exact same thing.
so your solution to crime is abortions? thats the hill you want to die on?
YES you fucking twat. I just linked you three studies proving abortions = less crime. It won't solve violence forever but it can curb it and ensure potential criminals are never born. Obviously people don't abort for law enforcement's sake but it's a positive side effect of giving people choice in this matter. I don't know how I could spell this out clearer.
I already know what "audio" you're going to find and I know that it's going to be taken out of context.
So what you're telling me is you can get literal video and audio evidence right up in your vagina face, but you still won't believe it, because they just have to be a lie.
So what you and your studies say is that we should kill babies for a goal that won't be achieved.
"Hurr durr why do we wear seatbelts if car crashes still happen?"
