The Abortion Debate Containment Thread - Put abortion sperging here.

[Muttnik]

I just don't see how a prolife argument can WORK if you blatantly say that you don't care about people. Like, doesn't that destroy your whole argument??? If it weren't for people caring about other people, the morality and ethics of murder would cease to exist. We'd pretty much be like animals in the woods hunting and killing each other without rhyme or reason.

Like, if you're going to be prolife don't up and say that you don't care about the baby post-birth or the mother or whoever when they're a fully functioning living person. Because if you're going to screech about fetuses, you at least should do it out of a sense of compassion and not because "well the law says murder is wrong so it's wrong btw I'm super smart and everyone's wrong and I don't care about them the mom's a whore and I don't care about the kid when it comes into the world PSH NOTHING PERSONEL KID". I'm way more inclined to agree with a prolife stance if the argument is due to the debater's sense of empathy for life and the importance of life, though the lack of attention to the life and situation of the mother really bogs down that opinion imo.

Murder is hated in our society because of the loss that comes with it and the grieving that follows. But numbnuts here doesn't swagger around this thread and act like a dick because he's trying not to grieve at the loss of life. He's just doing it out of some weird galaxy-brain sense of rigid thinking and maximized over-simplification borne out of his own overinflated ego.

Pro-life works the strongest when it's cemented out of love for the unborn. I don't think our buddy here loves anything, except taunting and vomiting out a novel's worth of autism.

Incoming tard screeching in 3...2....

 

[Bunny Tracks]

There would be fewer people who support infanticide only because muh womyn. There probably would be little or no debate about it at all. Everyone would be on board that it's murder.

Interesting. So if I'm following this correctly, you think abortion only happens because it happens to women, and that if both genders could get pregnant you think there'd be less abortions of overall?

 

[Syaoran Li]

I just don't see how a prolife argument can WORK if you blatantly say that you don't care about people. Like, doesn't that destroy your whole argument??? If it weren't for people caring about other people, the morality and ethics of murder would cease to exist. We'd pretty much be like animals in the woods hunting and killing each other without rhyme or reason.

Like, if you're going to be prolife don't up and say that you don't care about the baby post-birth or the mother or whoever when they're a fully functioning living person. Because if you're going to screech about fetuses, you at least should do it out of a sense of compassion and not because "well the law says murder is wrong so it's wrong btw I'm super smart and everyone's wrong and I don't care about them the mom's a whore and I don't care about the kid when it comes into the world PSH NOTHING PERSONEL KID". I'm way more inclined to agree with a prolife stance if the argument is due to the debater's sense of empathy for life and the importance of life, though the lack of attention to the life and situation of the mother really bogs down that opinion imo.

Murder is hated in our society because of the loss that comes with it and the grieving that follows. But numbnuts here doesn't swagger around this thread and act like a dick because he's trying not to grieve at the loss of life. He's just doing it out of some weird galaxy-brain sense of rigid thinking and maximized over-simplification borne out of his own overinflated ego.

Pro-life works the strongest when it's cemented out of love for the unborn. I don't think our buddy here loves anything, except taunting and vomiting out a novel's worth of autism.

@Erischan is an autistic rigid thinker because his mother is his sister.

Matter of fact, here's some video footage of him bringing a gift to his cousin-wife

Interesting. So if I'm following this correctly, you think abortion only happens because it happens to women, and that if both genders could get pregnant you think there'd be less abortions of overall?

@Erischan is what happens when Jethro from The Beverly Hillbillies becomes one of those unironic self-identified incels and he's living proof that Margaret Sanger and the Baldwin-Felts detectives at Matewan did nothing wrong

 

[Eris!]

1. Go ahead. It's not your place to give a flying fuck if someone murders me.

3. Legalize Murder

I find this position agreeable to my own.

I'm not an atheist or a nihilist. I dunk on the atheists every bit as much as I do the traditionalists (seriously, check out the Euphoric Atheists thread) and I fucking hate atheists worse than fundies/traditionalists since at least some of them are sincere and not pseudo-intellectual dorks

Is there inherent objective meaning independent of human minds yes or no?

I just don't see how a prolife argument can WORK if you blatantly say that you don't care about people. Like, doesn't that destroy your whole argument??? If it weren't for people caring about other people, the morality and ethics of murder would cease to exist. We'd pretty much be like animals in the woods hunting and killing each other without rhyme or reason.

Morality and ethics are not based on feelings. Empathy is not a factor in morality. Killing people is not wrong because I care about people. Killing people I don't care about is still wrong. I care about my family. I care about my friends. I don't care about a stranger in Los Angeles I never met. Murdering all three of them is exactly as immoral.

Like, if you're going to be prolife don't up and say that you don't care about the baby or the mother or whoever when they're a fully functioning living person. Because if you're going to screech about fetuses, you at least should do it out of a sense of compassion and not because "well the law says murder is wrong so it's wrong btw I'm super smart and everyone's wrong and I don't care about them the mom's a whore and I don't care about the kid when it comes into the world PSH NOTHING PERSONEL KID". I'm way more inclined to agree with a prolife stance if the argument is due to the debater's sense of empathy for life and the importance of life, though the lack of attention to the life and situation of the mother really bogs down that opinion imo.

So just to be clear, ONLY arguments from compassion are permitted? Arguments from deontology are just...forbidden?
Only your worldview is allowed to argue?

Murder is hated in our society because of the loss that comes with it and the grieving that follows.

No, murder is hated because of the rights that it violates.

He's just doing it out of some weird galaxy-brain sense of rigid thinking and maximized over-simplification borne out of his own overinflated ego.

It's called thinking something is wrong. Why are you incapable of understanding anything other than self interest and desire? Do you really think that murder is wrong is because we don't like it?

 

[Eris!]

Interesting. So if I'm following this correctly, you think abortion only happens because it happens to women, and that if both genders could get pregnant you think there'd be less abortions of overall?

Yes. The only argument I ever see in favor of abortion is "BUT WOOOOOOOMMEEEEEEEENNNNN"

 

[Bunny Tracks]

Yes. The only argument I ever see in favor of abortion is "BUT WOOOOOOOMMEEEEEEEENNNNN"

But if men could also get pregnant, wouldn't the arguments for it also suddenly include men, too?

 

[Eris!]

But if men could also get pregnant, wouldn't the arguments for it also suddenly include men, too?

The only argument for it is "I want to virtue signal that I value women's issues." So the single argument would be reduced to zero, and since no argument for it would exist, it would be successfully abolished. If it wasn't a women's issue it wouldn't even be an issue.

 

[Muttnik]

Morality and ethics are not based on feelings.

Except??? They ARE???? We make rules because humans REACT to things on an emotional level. A + B = C. Now I know it's not in your nature to understand the concept of humanity but YES, emotions and feelings fuel how we decide things are right and wrong. The logic behind how rules are enforced is determined by how society reacts to events and actions.

So just to be clear, ONLY arguments from compassion are permitted?

Arguments from compassion make the strongest case. If that had been your approach from the beginning, you wouldn't be the literal buttmonkey of this thread.

No, murder is hated because of the rights that it violates.

The RIGHTS? Oh so not the grieving families? Not the threat to the general public? Just because of the rights it violates. Got it. WE GOT OURSELVES SOMEONE WHO FIGHTS FOR THE RIGHTS OF THE PEOPLE, FOLKS! A redneck autist with an anime avatar is the true hero we need.

Do you really think that murder is wrong is because we don't like it?

We create meaning out of everything. This is regulated out of a combination of logic and emotion. But you need both in order for meaning to come into being. You cannot have one without the other. So YES, not liking something plays a part in how people are going to react to something horrible.

 

[Bunny Tracks]

The only argument for it is "I want to virtue signal that I value women's issues." So the single argument would be reduced to zero, and since no argument for it would exist, it would be successfully abolished. If it wasn't a women's issue it wouldn't even be an issue.

Okay, so you think men would never get abortions then?

 

[Syaoran Li]

I find this position agreeable to my own.

Is there inherent objective meaning independent of human minds yes or no?


Morality and ethics are not based on feelings. Empathy is not a factor in morality. Killing people is not wrong because I care about people. Killing people I don't care about is still wrong. I care about my family. I care about my friends. I don't care about a stranger in Los Angeles I never met. Murdering all three of them is exactly as immoral.


So just to be clear, ONLY arguments from compassion are permitted? Arguments from deontology are just...forbidden?
Only your worldview is allowed to argue?


No, murder is hated because of the rights that it violates.

It's called thinking something is wrong. Why are you incapable of understanding anything other than self interest and desire? Do you really think that murder is wrong is because we don't like it?

1. There is inherent meaning independent of human minds but I think you and I would disagree on what it is to say the least

2. Morality is inherently subjective.

3. It's no different than your own flawed logic that only traditionalist Judeo-Christian morality is legitimate or objectively correct

4. Considering murder has been outlawed thousands of years before the concept of human rights were even a thing, I think @Alto is right and you are wrong, Jethro.

5. We only think its wrong due to having this conditioning forced down our throats by a highly subversive cult since the 4th Century AD

6. Legalize Murder

7. Margaret Sanger did nothing wrong

 

[Neozeonian]

The only people who want abortion to be legal are slutty women and cucked men. This is irrefutable.

 

[Eris!]

We make rules

Dude, we don't make the rules.

Arguments from compassion make the strongest case. If that had been your approach from the beginning, you wouldn't be the literal buttmonkey of this thread.

That would be arguing in bad faith. I'm arguing my position, not the position I think will most appeal to you.

The RIGHTS? Oh so not the grieving families? Not the threat to the general public? Just because of the rights it violates. Got it.

Yes. Why are you acting like this is insane?

We create meaning out of everything

Meaning exists independent of us, and morality exists too.

It's clear that you are incapable of relating to, and therefore arguing with, anyone who isn't a nihilist like you. It's clear you find the existence of moralists shocking and don't know how to deal with it. It's clear you can't argue with me. The reverse is untrue. I can understand you, and argue with you.

There is inherent meaning independent of human minds but I think you and I would disagree on what it is to say the least

At least we agree there is one, unlike him.

Morality is illegitimate since the one who writes the morals is similarly illegitimate and an evil despot.

No one writes morals. They are the first principles of reality.

It's no different than your own flawed logic that only traditionalist Judeo-Christian morality is legitimate or objectively correct

Jews and christians should be hanged on trees.
Why are you assuming I am one?

Considering murder has been outlawed thousands of years before the concept of human rights were even a thing, I think @Alto is right and you are wrong, Jethro.

Human rights were a thing before humans were.

We only think its wrong due to having this conditioning forced down our throats by a highly subversive cult since the 4th Century AD

I think it's wrong because it is.

 

[Syaoran Li]

Dude, we don't make the rules.

That would be arguing in bad faith. I'm arguing my position, not the position I think will most appeal to you.

Yes. Why are you acting like this is insane?

Meaning exists independent of us, and morality exists too.

It's clear that you are incapable of relating to, and therefore arguing with, anyone who isn't a nihilist like you. It's clear you find the existence of moralists shocking and don't know how to deal with it. It's clear you can't argue with me. The reverse is untrue. I can understand you, and argue with you.


At least we agree there is one, unlike him.

No one writes morals. They are the first principles of reality.

Jews and christians should be hanged on trees.
Why are you assuming I am one?

Human rights were a thing before humans were.

I think it's wrong because it is.

TLDR - You're an autistic lunatic.

 

[Eris!]

TLDR - You're an autistic lunatic.

 

[Neozeonian]

TLDR - You're an autistic lunatic.

t. A slut

 

[Dustlord]

Not entirely on topic, but are there any pro-lifers in US politics that aren't against contraception, etc?

 

[Syaoran Li]

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I'm not trying to argue with you, Jethro.

I'm just stating an objective hard fact

t. A slut

I'm an immoralist slut and damn proud of it.

If you want to test my resolve, meet me at the following address and I'll have sex with you for free

4210 Wolfetown Road
Cherokee, NC 28179

Bring all your traditionalist friends with you! I'll go to the abortion clinic but you all are going to get laid!

 

[Eris!]

Not entirely on topic, but are there any pro-lifers in US politics that aren't against contraception, etc?

Almost all of them. The majority of pro-lifers are protestant, not catholic.

 

[Bunny Tracks]

So, are we just going to ignore my question about men not getting abortions if they could also get pregnant?

 

[Muttnik]

Dude, we don't make the rules.

Oh you're right. Silly me, how could I ever think that human society shapes the morality and rules of a nation. I forgot that it was all the work of the Glorbkletches from the outer region of Planet 69.

That would be arguing in bad faith. I'm arguing my position, not the position I think will most appeal to you.

You're not arguing your position. You're not even "arguing". You're spamming the same tired shit you've been spamming for eons now. And the fact that you're being a dick about it has made you, as I've said, the buttmonkey of this thread.

Yes. Why are you acting like this is insane?

Because that's a narrow fucking limit for why murder is wrong when there's too many other complex facets behind the morality of the action. For someone so smart and superior and big-brained, I'd figure you would have had a stronger explanation than "HURRR THE RIGHTS!"

Meaning exists independent of us, and morality exists too.

This idea alone is up for philosophical debate.

It's clear that you are incapable of relating to, and therefore arguing with, anyone who isn't a nihilist like you.

Oh so I'm a nihilist now? Gee whiz I'm finding so much about myself that I didn't know today!

It's clear you can't argue with me.

B-But senpai! You wanted me to DEBATE YOU REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

I can understand you, and argue with you.

WOW-WEE UR IS SO SMRT!!11 Not since Onision have we been greeted with a prince who rises to the occasion when it comes to FAX and logic.