The Abortion Debate Containment Thread - Put abortion sperging here.

[Eto]

you're both dumb as shit. if you weren't you wouldn't resort to ad-hominems.

Hey, I'm just trying to understand people's positions better, and explain them as concretely as possible. That's why I wanted to add more detail to your reasoning so no one misinterprets you. This whole thread is a dumpster fire anyway, but the other two shouldn't be pointing towards your Jewish heritage as a means of discrediting/putting you down. Then again, this is Kiwi Farms, so what can we expect?

 

[snailslime]

>unfertilized embryo

You should probably go back and take middle school biology lessons before participating in this thread any further. Although I guess it would make sense that they don't teach reproductive biology in school anymore, since that would require teaching that men aren't women.

what difference does it make?

men troon out because they wanna be perfect like us lol. why do you think there are so many nasty mtf troons and not vice versa?

Not a Jewish woman, you're right about that much. How old are you? I'm curious if you're gonna make a hat trick on stereotypes here.

most of us have high standards anyway, we don't date scrotes.

maybe you could find a desperate mail order wife though.

And do you trust """scientists""" who tell you that men are women?

i trust any scientist more than i trust you. and that's not what most of them say.

As I said: Self-awareness. You could potentially tack on some other qualifiers like the ability to reason, to understand and perceive the flow of time, or something else like that. It doesn't really matter for reasons already explained. What most definitely does not define consciousness is electrical activity firing across neurons.

fetuses don't have self-awareness.

I don't think I've even referenced religion. If I did, I certainly haven't based any of my arguments on it. As is typical for abortion advocates, you're the one trying to lean on "religion bad" because you cannot cope with the central issue. And no, I don't argue faith with non-Christians anyways. Or at least, certainly not with Jews or atheists. Do you even practice the actual Jewish faith? I suspect you merely consider yourself a "cultural" or "ethnic" Jew. I don't feel like looking it up right now, but I'm pretty sure Jews who actually practice the religion (rather than simply claiming Jewish identity for virtue points) also condemn abortion.

i probably read more of the Bible than you ever have and yes, you literally tried to insult me by calling me an atheist last night lmao.

you hate us anyway even though you worship a dead jew, it's not like you're a logical person.

Oh I'm not saying I expect better, just saying that's why I don't bother responding to every single thing this person says, because most of it is redundant, extremely retarded, or both. I'm actually pretty surprised by the quality of discussion on here, there's only a couple troglodyte-level posters (snailslime and Freya) with most posters being relatively coherent. Certainly better than you would get in a typical social media exchange on this subject, in which you would be drowned in the rabid screeching of NPCs if you didn't just get outright banned or censored.

you remind me of the pigeon who shits on the chess board when it knows its losing.

you already lost this argument pages ago.

No judgements - anyone who tries to boil this down into a black-and-white issue is a certified autist. Mind if I ask your reasoning on the 22 weeks and if you feel there should be any exceptions to the rule? (It's always a pain to dig through a thread like this)

because that's when the baby starts to feel pain.

there should be exceptions for medical issues and rape.

Because the soyence said so. No seriously, that's her stated reasoning.

golly gee, i'm sorry i trust a scientist more than a retarded joe schmoe on the internet.

Hey, I'm just trying to understand people's positions better, and explain them as concretely as possible. That's why I wanted to add more detail to your reasoning so no one misinterprets you. This whole thread is a dumpster fire anyway, but the other two shouldn't be pointing towards your Jewish heritage as a means of discrediting/putting you down. Then again, this is Kiwi Farms, so what can we expect?

oh, i wasn't calling you a retard.

 

[gang weeder]

Hey, I'm just trying to understand people's positions better, and explain them as concretely as possible. That's why I wanted to add more detail to your reasoning so no one misinterprets you. This whole thread is a dumpster fire anyway, but the other two shouldn't be pointing towards your Jewish heritage as a means of discrediting/putting you down. Then again, this is Kiwi Farms, so what can we expect?

It's like a black person writing long diatribes on why stealing and murder are ackchyually good things. Or an Appalachian hick sitting around trying to tell you that it's really great to cook and deal crystal meth. It doesn't mean anything about the actual quality of the person's arguments, it's just hilarious because it's so absolutely on the nose, so to speak. She's actually breaking the stereotype in one way because she comes across dumb as a rock and not subversive at all.

 

[snailslime]

It's like a black person writing long diatribes on why stealing and murder are ackchyually good things. Or an Appalachian hick sitting around trying to tell you that it's really great to cook and deal crystal meth. It doesn't mean anything about the actual quality of the person's arguments, it's just hilarious because it's so absolutely on the nose, so to speak. She's actually breaking the stereotype in one way because she comes across dumb as a rock and not subversive at all.

take your meds scrote.

 

[Freya]

imagine how much worse the world would be if men had to deal with periods and pregnancy.

 

[Freya]

>unfertilized embryo

You should probably go back and take middle school biology lessons before participating in this thread any further. Although I guess it would make sense that they don't teach reproductive biology in school anymore, since that would require teaching that men aren't women.


Not a Jewish woman, you're right about that much. How old are you? I'm curious if you're gonna make a hat trick on stereotypes here.


And do you trust """scientists""" who tell you that men are women?


As I said: Self-awareness. You could potentially tack on some other qualifiers like the ability to reason, to understand and perceive the flow of time, or something else like that. It doesn't really matter for reasons already explained. What most definitely does not define consciousness is electrical activity firing across neurons.


I don't think I've even referenced religion. If I did, I certainly haven't based any of my arguments on it. As is typical for abortion advocates, you're the one trying to lean on "religion bad" because you cannot cope with the central issue. And no, I don't argue faith with non-Christians anyways. Or at least, certainly not with Jews or atheists. Do you even practice the actual Jewish faith? I suspect you merely consider yourself a "cultural" or "ethnic" Jew. I don't feel like looking it up right now, but I'm pretty sure Jews who actually practice the religion (rather than simply claiming Jewish identity for virtue points) also condemn abortion.


Oh I'm not saying I expect better, just saying that's why I don't bother responding to every single thing this person says, because most of it is redundant, extremely retarded, or both. I'm actually pretty surprised by the quality of discussion on here, there's only a couple troglodyte-level posters (snailslime and Freya) with most posters being relatively coherent. Certainly better than you would get in a typical social media exchange on this subject, in which you would be drowned in the rabid screeching of NPCs if you didn't just get outright banned or censored.

you want to fuck fetuses.

 

[snailslime]

you want to fuck fetuses.

there are so many disgusting mtf troons and not vice versa because men want to be us lmao.

 

[gang weeder]

what difference does it make?

what difference does it make..... whether an embryo is fertilized or not? Well gee, why don't you tell me what an "unfertilized embryo" would be like? What a surprise that you aren't any more aware than Freya on the subject of "unfertilized embryos." This makes me think you're definitely an underage zoomer trying to be edgy and cool on the Internet.

i trust any scientist more than i trust you. and that's not what most of them say.

So if (((scientists))) are telling you to suck the girldick, all of a sudden you don't troost the heckin' soyence anymore? Interesting.

take your meds scrote.

"scrote"

 

[Lord Edge of Leetworth]

Interesting. I can't say that I'm surprised that the subject is muddled with bad science, as it seems far more abstract than most subjects and harder to prove. Thank you for the link, too. I'll look over it in my free time.

It's an informative academic journal article. The "bad science" comes from it overindulging in the inexhaustible philosophies of consciousness while utilising circumstantial evidence to assert a foregone conclusion.

This whole thread is a dumpster fire anyway, but the other two shouldn't be pointing towards your Jewish heritage as a means of discrediting/putting you down.

Why not?

 

[snailslime]

what difference does it make..... whether an embryo is fertilized or not? Well gee, why don't you tell me what an "unfertilized embryo" would be like? What a surprise that you aren't any more aware than Freya on the subject of "unfertilized embryos." This makes me think you're definitely an underage zoomer trying to be edgy and cool on the Internet.

it doesn't matter because they're basically briandead vegetables either way.

lol @ you calling me edgy btw.

So if (((scientists))) are telling you to suck the girldick, all of a sudden you don't troost the heckin' soyence anymore? Interesting.

but most of them are not, idiot.

stop changing the subject.

"scrote"

oh sorry

hi tranny

 

[Freya]

there are so many disgusting mtf troons and not vice versa because men want to be us lmao.

the funniest shit in the world is seeing the gay trannies try to pass themselves off as "straight women" while having about a 1000% higher chance of contracting STDs than us. PATHETIC

 

[BULLY HUNTER_77]

because that's when the baby starts to feel pain.

Hmmm... apparently there is a lot of medical discussion on this topic:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1440624/

~7 weeks are when free nerve endings form
~12-16 weeks thalamic projections form
~23-25 weeks synapses form within cortical plate

So, to you, a fetus must be protected from a mother who wants to abort it, right around when it's starting to form synapses in its cortical plate?

there should be exceptions for medical issues and rape.

How late are you willing to allow for abortions in the case of medical issues and rape? (Assuming you were completely in control of the relevant laws?)

 

[snailslime]

the funniest shit in the world is seeing the gay trannies try to pass themselves off as "straight women" while having about a 1000% higher chance of contracting STDs than us. PATHETIC

I could see @Lord Edge of Leetworth becoming one lol

Hmmm... apparently there is a lot of medical discussion on this topic:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1440624/

~7 weeks are when free nerve endings form
~12-16 weeks thalamic projections form
~23-25 weeks synapses form within cortical plate

So, to you, a fetus must be protected from a mother who wants to abort it, right around when it's starting to form synapses in its cortical plate?

www.fatherly.com/health-science/fetus-feel-pain-in-the-womb/amp/

this article explains it all

How late are you willing to allow for abortions in the case of medical issues and rape? (Assuming you were completely in control of the relevant laws?)

up to maybe 24 weeks. i mean, that's plenty of time to decide that you want an abortion.

 

[gang weeder]

but most of them are not, idiot.

And hypothetically, if most of them did? Because, you know, that's what the soyence says?

 

[snailslime]

And hypothetically, if most of them did? Because, you know, that's what the soyence says?

i'm not going to entertain you until you stop switching up the subject when you can't refute a point.

 

[Lord Edge of Leetworth]

I could see @Lord Edge of Leetworth becoming one lol

Might as well convert to Judaism while I am at it.

 

[BULLY HUNTER_77]

(((scientists)))

I've got a question for you now. I understand that you believe life begins at conception and thus abortion constitutes murder. Since you have your scientist coincidence detector on, is there ever a situation where murder/killing is justified?

 

[Freya]

life begins at conception and thus abortion constitutes murder.

No

 

[gang weeder]

I've got a question for you now. I understand that you believe life begins at conception and thus abortion constitutes murder. Since you have your scientist coincidence detector on, is there ever a situation where murder/killing is justified?

Murder is kinda not justified by definition, though I guess some people might argue it's justified if the person you're murdering is evil enough (i.e. a serial child rapist). Killing, sure, a couple obvious cases for that are self defense or fighting as a soldier in a war.

The trick here would be for you as a pro-abortion person to try and find a way how any of those justifications could ever possibly apply to a child that hasn't even been born yet.

 

[gang weeder]

i'm not going to entertain you until you stop switching up the subject when you can't refute a point.

So you don't actually trust the soyence if it says something you don't like. Only when it says things that you already agree with. Got it. Not surprised.