The Abortion Debate Containment Thread - Put abortion sperging here.

Kiwi & Cow said:
Firstly, there's the cost of abortions. Not only they're costly, but they go without any revenue out of it. Also yeah I know, while there's also a cost to have a kid, the kid will eventually grow up to make revenue for himself and help run the economy which is a net positive. That's also demonstrated by mass immigration, all the refugees took all the jobs nobody wanted, but that are still important for a working civilisation.

Secondly, the procedure of abortion can be painful and traumatising for the woman if not performed correctly or if it goes wrong for any other reason. Also apparently they can even kill those women https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2043456/. It's safer to carry a pregancy to term and give up the baby for adoption.
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Arguments that an individual woman should consider not getting abortion for her own sake and arguments that abortion should be banned are entirely different.

Kiwi & Cow said:
Thirdly, abortion is partly to blame for depopulation on a worldwide scale and while this may not seem significant at first due to being overpopulated I think that if it goes unchecked for too long it may have negative impacts on all of us in the long run.
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There is something here but not much, it rarely is an issue. The atheistic Soviet government banned abortion for a while to increase birthrates after WW2, I can understand the reasoning there, but it wasn't worth it for very long and they legalized it again in a few years.
Kiwi & Cow said:
Other than that, I would support any campaign to discourage recreational sex, we wouldn't need abortions if people practised abstinence.
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This anti-sex stuff is really just kind of silly. Whatever your angle is, you should refrain from saying this sort of thing. Sex is inherently recreational. Procreative sex is just recreational sex without protection, even fundamentalists understand this. They don't expect you to have sex for the explicit purpose of having a baby, you have sex because you want to and then a baby results as a passively accepted result.
 
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gang weeder said:
I am following directly the implication of your own words:

"The (admittedly sloppy) answer I came up with is that I would put aborting a semi-developed fetus at a similar moral weight to euthanizing a newborn puppy. It has mammalian characteristics, it could likely grow up to be something cute and valuable, it can feel some pain, but it has very low sentience and doesn't have any 'quests' or relationships that you are cutting off early."

Explain to me why this argument can be used to justify killing a fetus but not a newborn infant.
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It's not an argument, it's simply an attempt to explain my feelings on the issue: that I think it's not a great thing to have to abort a child (in the same way that it is not great to euthanize a newborn puppy), but that it isn't murder. It's something where situational factors could make it an acceptable tradeoff, take problem A to get rid of problem B.

But as I said, I think there are extreme situations where you can justify killing infants. Everyone thinks this, they just don't have the balls to say it out loud. I know you're going to sperg out about this, but it's literally in the bible.
gang weeder said:
It seems clear that you are an atheist. Despite this, I assume that you believe killing children is wrong. Not "just a situational declaration that you can throw away when inconvenient." Am I correct?
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Obviously I am an atheist, and obviously I mean what I just said, that is a situational declaration. In real life, people stop caring about morals when emergencies happen.

People kill other people all the time, children too. American troops in the Middle East kill children all the time, it's just something they have to do. A clueless child with an explosive belt put on them by their parents is still 'innocent', but that doesn't take away the practical danger they present to you. Maybe you'll cry and ask God/whoever for forgiveness later, but in the moment you would be a moron not to shoot them.
 
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Stripping away the moral argument (as there are many things that are legal yet considered taboo in some religions), abortion is an invasive medical procedure and should be treated as such. An individual may be morally opposed to it, and that is their right. As mentioned above, many religions consider things taboo that are perfectly legal. Shall we ban shrimp because it is taboo in Judaism, pork because it is taboo in Islam, beef because it's taboo in Hinduism, or caffeine because it's taboo in Mormonism? While there are time religious morès intersect with secular law (don't steal, don't lie, don't kill), for the most part the secular and the spiritual hardly touch.

My spiritual issues are irrelevant as they are between me and the Big Guy Upstairs.
My main secular issue with abortion is that it's treated too flippantly for such an invasive procedure. There should be more counseling to the patient, more informed consent, and should be treated a bit more seriously than a tooth cleaning.
As for the overturn of Roe v Wade, it places the question of the procedure in the hands of the individual states where it properly belongs (in accordance with the 10th Amendment). If Alabama wants to ban the procedure outright, it is the right of her constituency to do so, as it is the right of New Yorkers to allow it post-natal.

TL;DR: My religious views are irrelevant, just be careful with the baby brain vacuum.
 
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snailslime said:
i'll enjoy seeing you flail when you lose in november.
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I don't live in America, so I don't care and what would happen if the abortionists win anyways? Nothing will change, the law was intended to further restrict abortion, so if you win, it'll be a pyrrhic victory if anything.
snailslime said:
also have sex
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This you?
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Kiwi & Cow said:
I don't live in America, so I don't care and what would happen if the abortionists win anyways? Nothing will change, the law was intended to further restrict abortion, so if you win, it'll be a pyrrhic victory if anything.

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things will change because when the dems win in november, congress will be able to pass pro-choice laws without them being voted out by republitards.

if you're not american why do you care so much about our politics?
 
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Man the whole political spectrum of abortion is retarded. I say leave it to the states and you can usually just go to a blue state if you need to kill a child that bad. Blue states have higher cases of incest anyway, if that’s one of the main concerns now a days.
 
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Shidoen said:
Man the whole political spectrum of abortion is retarded. I say leave it to the states
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This is the practical pro-life position. You are a part of this spectrum whether or not you want to be.
Shidoen said:
and you can usually just go to a blue state if you need to kill a child that bad.
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If it doesn't matter, there's no reason to change it. We would just be needlessly rocking the boat.
 
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Michael Pemulis said:
This is the practical pro-life position. You are a part of this spectrum whether or not you want to be.

If it doesn't matter, there's no reason to change it. We would just be needlessly rocking the boat.
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If they keep killing their kids, who’s gonna get the voters?
 
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Michael Pemulis said:
Same people as always. We've had legal abortion for 50 years now, and guess who is in the white house.
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Some old nigga? It’s not like the President matters, it’s always gonna have to do with the legislative branch and the government organizations.
 
Shidoen said:
Some old nigga? It’s not like the President matters, it’s always gonna have to do with the legislative branch and the government organizations.
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The democrats have done very well on capitol hill. Lets not clog up the thread with this, if you want to have a meaningless tit-for-tat string of comebacks then feel free to DM me.
 
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Kiwi & Cow said:
Fucking tiresome, I mostly identify with the pro-life crowd because I'm mostly against abortion and then it turns out the pro-lifers are all sycophantic fundamentalists. Just get yourself a real argument that doesn't stem from your religious beliefs for fuck's sake.
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Well Andrea Dworkin was against abortion because she saw it as a male-led plot to remove any potential consequences from men using women as objectified sex toys.

That's an entirely secular argument, but also I strongly doubt that you'll see any of our resident incels espousing it.
 
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eternal dog mongler said:
Well Andrea Dworkin was against abortion because she saw it as a male-led plot to remove any potential consequences from men using women as objectified sex toys.

That's an entirely secular argument, but also I strongly doubt that you'll see any of our resident incels espousing it.
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Damn she made a real good point.
 
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eternal dog mongler said:
Well Andrea Dworkin was against abortion because she saw it as a male-led plot to remove any potential consequences from men using women as objectified sex toys.

That's an entirely secular argument, but also I strongly doubt that you'll see any of our resident incels espousing it.
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They are the same people that complain about child support and courts awarding custody to mothers.
 
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