The Abortion Debate Containment Thread - Put abortion sperging here.

Kiwi & Cow said:
Oh yeah I forgot for a minute most of you were Americans. I live in Europe, here's how it works here: https://www.esn-eu.org/news/foster-care-models-europe / https://fra.europa.eu/en/content/standards-foster-care

Can't you vote to improve the system in your country or something?
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We don't even need to. The myth of the worse-than-death foster care system is wholly an invention of the abortion industry, it's a baseless talking point full of lies, half-truths, and misleading anecdotes.

Even if it was the hellscape they suggest that it is, most foster kids don't kill themselves and could if they wanted to, so the proof is in the pudding. I'm sure it could be improved but it isn't worse than death.
 
SSj_Ness said:
We don't even need to, the myth of the worse-than-death foster care system is wholly an invention of the abortion industry, it's a baseless talking point full of lies, half-truths, and misleading anecdotes.

Even if it was the hellscape they suggest that it is, most foster kids don't kill themselves and could if they wanted to, so the proof is in the pudding. I'm sure it could be improved but it isn't worse than death.
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It's 50/50. I've seen foster kids with good experiences and horrible.

It doesn't matter either way, because if the foster system is bad the solution isn't to say "oh well, guess we have to give up". The solution is fix the foster system.
 
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SSj_Ness said:
We don't even need to. The myth of the worse-than-death foster care system is wholly an invention of the abortion industry, it's a baseless talking point full of lies, half-truths, and misleading anecdotes.

Even if it was the hellscape they suggest that it is, most foster kids don't kill themselves and could if they wanted to, so the proof is in the pudding. I'm sure it could be improved but it isn't worse than death.
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Prove its a myth.
 
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I don't get how one can be pro-life (of the 'abortion is murder' variety) and support Russia of all places. Granted, over the past 15 years they've reduced their abortion rate to about average for Eastern bloc countries, but they were still aborting more than half of all pregnancies as recently as 2006. How can you think a nation full of people who were until very recently ok with murdering (by your definition) half their babies can be seen as a moral authority on anything.

Anyway my own position on this is pretty similar to @mensch, I don't think it's a good thing and should be kept as rare as possible, by means of contraception, encouraging formation of stable relationships before having sex, and financial support for prospective parents. However I don't view it as morally equivalent to murder, even if technically it is a form of homicide. Of course, I'm probably biased because
I personally know some people who have had abortions and cannot bring myself to think of them as murderers
But I really think 'mens rea' is of relevance here and there is a definite difference in mindset between someone who commits infanticide and someone who has an early-term abortion.
 
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Kermit Jizz said:
It's 50/50. I've seen foster kids with good experiences and horrible.

It doesn't matter either way, because if the foster system is bad the solution isn't to say "oh well, guess we have to give up". The solution is fix the foster system.
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How are you not pro life but every post on here you seem to take that stance?
Also, why initiate dismantling access to legal abortion before fixing the foster care system? Seems pretty fucking stupid.
 
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Kermit Jizz said:
It's 50/50. I've seen foster kids with good experiences and horrible.

It doesn't matter either way, because if the foster system is bad the solution isn't to say "oh well, guess we have to give up". The solution is fix the foster system.
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I agree, fixing problems is better than giving up.

Very slight power level, but I have some family and friends who were in the system, had problems, emotional mostly, but certainly didn't think they were better off dead. Only one of them is crazy, but I suspect that's just how she'd have been anyway.

IncestualMayoMonkeys said:
Prove its a myth.
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The onus is on you to prove death > foster care system.
 
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IncestualMayoMonkeys said:
How are you not pro life but every post on here you seem to take that stance?
Also, why initiate dismantling access to legal abortion before fixing the foster care system? Seems pretty fucking stupid.
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It's called not being a retard. He doesn't need to screech your bullshit talking points to hold his own views.
 
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SSj_Ness said:
I agree, fixing problems is better than giving up.

Very slight power level, but I have some family and friends who were in the system, had problems, emotional mostly, but certainly didn't think they were better off dead. Only one of them is crazy, but I suspect that's just how she'd have been anyway.


The onus is on you to prove death > foster care system.
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you literally made the claim that the “myth” about foster care being bad comes from the pro abortion crowd. i would like to see where you got this information from.
 
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Kermit Jizz said:
It's 50/50. I've seen foster kids with good experiences and horrible.

It doesn't matter either way, because if the foster system is bad the solution isn't to say "oh well, guess we have to give up". The solution is fix the foster system.
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It's almost like the abortion industry is specifically going out of its way to find new ways to destroy alternatives such as the foster care system. Wonder why.

male pattern malding said:
I don't get how one can be pro-life (of the 'abortion is murder' variety) and support Russia of all places. Granted, over the past 15 years they've reduced their abortion rate to about average for Eastern bloc countries, but they were still aborting more than half of all pregnancies as recently as 2006. How can you think a nation full of people who were until very recently ok with murdering (by your definition) half their babies can be seen as a moral authority on anything.

Anyway my own position on this is pretty similar to @mensch, I don't think it's a good thing and should be kept as rare as possible, by means of contraception, encouraging formation of stable relationships before having sex, and financial support for prospective parents. However I don't view it as morally equivalent to murder, even if technically it is a form of homicide. Of course, I'm probably biased because
I personally know some people who have had abortions and cannot bring myself to think of them as murderers
But I really think 'mens rea' is of relevance here and there is a definite difference in mindset between someone who commits infanticide and someone who has an early-term abortion.
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Some nations provide abortion as a medical service, but they do not celebrate having abortions in the media, they do not promote abortionists as stunning and brave heroes, and most importantly of all, they do not have a private abortion industry that is more concerned with profits than anyone else.
 
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IncestualMayoMonkeys said:
you literally made the claim that the “myth” about foster care being bad comes from the pro abortion crowd. i would like to see where you got this information from.
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I made that counterpoint in response to "death > foster care". If you're taking that position you first need to prove it. Nobody ever has, will, nor even can.

IncestualMayoMonkeys said:
“I’m not pro life” + Making all arguments in support of pro life = not a retard
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So he better parrot every single dogshit point you guys do or he's kicked out of the baby killing club? Or rather, you'll abort his membership?
 
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IncestualMayoMonkeys said:
How are you not pro life but every post on here you seem to take that stance?
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I'm not pro-choice either, I generally apathetic to abortion. I don't think it's a human right, but I don't think early term abortion is murder.

I'm only arguing against you because I think your arguments, like most pro-choice arguments, are deranged.

IncestualMayoMonkeys said:
Also, why initiate dismantling access to legal abortion before fixing the foster care system? Seems pretty fucking stupid.
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Idk can you point me to where I said we should do that?

IncestualMayoMonkeys said:
“I’m not pro life” + Making all arguments in support of pro life = not a retard
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If you pay attention, I'm not actively arguing my own position. I'm just arguing yours is crap.
 
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SSj_Ness said:
I made that counterpoint in response to "death > foster care". If you're taking that position you first need to prove it. Nobody ever has, will, not even can.


So he better parrot every single dogshit point you guys do or he's kicked out of the baby killing club? Or rather, you'll abort his membership?
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You can’t just post shit like “it’s pro abortion propaganda” and NOT have even a single fucking source to back that shit up.

I don’t have to argue “death > foster care” because I don’t think abortion (under 21/22 weeks) is an end of a life. There is no consciousness and there is no possibility of survival outside of the womb.
 
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