The Abortion Debate Containment Thread - Put abortion sperging here.

Sweetpeaa said:
I will say these two things as someone from Canada over the supreme court decision in the U.S:

Exactly why would this happen now? Of all times you would think it would have happened in the Bush Jr. Era back in the 2000's considering how neoconservative he was.

The second thing is how Canada and the U.S swapped views on abortion. In the 1980's the Canadian Prime Minister almost had it banned from existence losing by just one vote in the Canadian senate to put it back in the criminal code. Where as the American President (would have bern reagan of course) didn't seem to have much interest in banning it and seemed to let it be. Now the views are reversed.

Explain.
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As someone who is legislatively pro-choice but tends to lean a little more to the other side on a personal level, I look at it a different way:

I've said a number of times that to me that the abortion debate isn't even a question of the morals of abortion, it's about stay the fuck out of people's business.
If you view this as a supreme court ruling not as pro-life but rather as anti-federal, then it seems a lot more reasonable, and is something I agree with.

Remember, a lot of fairly populated states will continue to allow abortion, I'd absolutely vote to keep it legal, so would almost everyone I personally know, since they similarly don't think people should have to live by their code of ethics. It's just removing power from the federal government, which at this point needs to happen because it's clear they're useless and warrant no authority, they've devolved into nothing but a gang who exists to extract their pound of flesh while doing nothing of benefit for those underneath them.

Give the states back their right to self-determination, and the burden of their own outcomes.
 
Uberpenguin said:
As someone who is legislatively pro-choice but tends to lean a little more to the other side on a personal level, I look at it a different way:

I've said a number of times that to me that the abortion debate isn't even a question of the morals of abortion, it's about stay the fuck out of people's business.
If you view this as a supreme court ruling not as pro-life but rather as anti-federal, then it seems a lot more reasonable, and is something I agree with.

Remember, a lot of fairly populated states will continue to allow abortion, I'd absolutely vote to keep it legal, so would almost everyone I personally know, since they similarly don't think people should have to live by their code of ethics. It's just removing power from the federal government, which at this point needs to happen because it's clear they're useless and warrant no authority, they've devolved into nothing but a gang who exists to extract their pound of flesh while doing nothing of benefit for those underneath them.

Give the states back their right to self-determination, and the burden of their own outcomes.
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This is exactly the same as the Old South saying that slavery is "about stay the fuck out of our business" because the North's "code of ethics" (in which blacks are recognized as human beings rather than property) shouldn't be forced on them.
 
HeroicIdealism said:
Stop being a whore and you won't need an abortion

Calling something (in this case a human fetus) "a clump of cells" doesn't prove or disprove anything. I don't know why tards always use this to argue the amorality of abortion. The fact is that this clump of cells is a human clump of cells and is the child of a woman. Should a woman, a human being with morality, really view her own developing child as not human?
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1) a freshly developed fetus is worthless
2) "hurr durr every non virgin is a slut" have sex virgin lol
 
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gang weeder said:
This is exactly the same as the Old South saying that slavery is "about stay the fuck out of our business" because the North's "code of ethics" (in which blacks are recognized as human beings rather than property) shouldn't be forced on them.
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Yeah, it was, it was exactly that, then they fought a war, and the north won not because either side was more morally right, but because the north was stronger. That's how nature works, might makes right.

And anyways, cut the Twitter revisionist history shit. The north wasn't "good people" who just wanted to free the blacks based upon their code of ethics, freeing the slaves was an economic, political, and military play by the industrialized north to kneecap the south, which wasn't industrialized and thus relied on slave labor.
The freeing of slaves was tactical, not moral.
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No different than how the reason you actually care about preventing abortion is because you're a waste of air who hates that women can, and do, laugh at you and tell you to screw yourself, but you try to dress your desire to sexually control them up with this ludicrous facade of morality so you don't have to own up to what you really are, flip.
 
HeroicIdealism said:
Stop being a whore and you won't need an abortion

Calling something (in this case a human fetus) "a clump of cells" doesn't prove or disprove anything. I don't know why tards always use this to argue the amorality of abortion. The fact is that this clump of cells is a human clump of cells and is the child of a woman. Should a woman, a human being with morality, really view her own developing child as not human?
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It's not important that it's a clump of human cells.

The retarded part is the insistence that the clump of cells is inherently alive.

"LIFE BEGINS AT CONCEPTION" isn't an inherently wrong statement, but legislation needs to congruent with reality. And in the real world, not all conceptions are compatible with life.

Legislation that encourages physicians to treat miscarriage as a potential crime will not encourage posterity. It will only alienate women from reproductive healthcare.

I get dead babies are sad and all, but they are also inevitable, and not all legislation to prevent them is good.

Life starts at conception like 80% of the time at best and I wish people would consider that. Some vague notion about punishing sluts is not compelling to me either.

Maybe I'm biased because I am too deformed to carry a baby to term but I genuinely believe if it came down to it I'd rather go to prison for life than the 99% guarantee of neonate palliative care, or risk dying to deliver a "genetically human" stillborn. Fortunately though I have a WoW subscription so none of the above are likely to happen... to me.
 
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