The Abortion Debate Containment Thread - Put abortion sperging here.

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Again, look up with viability outside the womb is. I understand you have autism and thus can't handle context, but it's important here. A fetus, before it's viable, will die outside the womb. A toddler can survive just fine outside the womb.


And you suck at dog whistling
>Toddler

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Toddlers can't survive inside a womb because you'll kill them or the random pregnant woman who you're using to shove a kid up their vagina. If you somehow manage to do it without anyone dying the toddler is going to suffocate to death
 
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Toddlers can't survive inside a womb because you'll kill them or the random pregnant woman who you're using to shove a kid up their vagina. If you somehow manage to do it without anyone dying the toddler is going to suffocate to death
You missed the point there, I see. See below for my point since you're apparently too autistic to get it

Why do you always type like this is 4chan? Serious question.

>post something stupid
>intentionally missing the point
>posts pepe meme because you're an autistic retard


Except that toddlers can't feed themselves and will still readily swallow small objects they can choke on like coins or batteries as well as start poking their fingers into electrical outlets or start playing with knives and other things that can cut or stab them.

I understand you have autism but nobody here is dog whistling.
Toddlers can survive without constant medical intervention. Again, I understand you have admitted to having autism and thus you don't understand context. Context is important here, son. A toddle can live, just fine, without being in an incubator/etc... A fetus before it's viable cannot. I recommend you talk to your case worker about learning these things.

Viability outside the womb literally varies by region, class and era. A rich upper class baby in the US is gonna survive outside the womb way sooner than a poor baby from somalia will.
It does, but not without medical intervention. A fetus, taken outside the womb, will die without medical intervention. A toddler doesn't. Also, I ain't reading your 3 page reply about how the US should be a theocracy because you believe a corpse and a fetus should have more rights than an actual woman.

Another question for you.. since you claim life is super duper important, do you also think vaccines should be mandatory? You are fine with the government removing bodily autonomy, and since you think life is more important than anything when it comes to fetuses, do you feel the same way about actual living, breathing people?
 
It does, but not without medical intervention. A fetus, taken outside the womb, will die without medical intervention. A toddler doesn't. Also, I ain't reading your 3 page reply about how the US should be a theocracy because you believe a corpse and a fetus should have more rights than an actual woman.
Why is medical intervention relevant here? You're drawing the line at what is and isn't human. That line should be solid and immovable, it shouldn't literally varry by whole months of gestation.

Babies born in developed countries are viable much sooner than those in developing. Are people born in developing countries less human, yes or no?

Another question for you.. since you claim life is super duper important, do you also think vaccines should be mandatory? You are fine with the government removing bodily autonomy, and since you think life is more important than anything when it comes to fetuses, do you feel the same way about actual living, breathing people?
Vaccines are irrelevant, my issue is with commiting premeditated murder on an innocent person.
 
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>posts pepe meme because you're an autistic retard
I don't want to see 10+ reports from you today because someone else uses the R-word on you now.

Everybody else: stop taking bait, stay on topic, and be somewhat civil. There are other threads and places on site where you can have vicious slapfights and get your aggression out safely. USE THE IGNORE function if you can't help yourself.
 
Why is medical intervention relevant here? You're drawing the line at what is and isn't human. That line should be solid and immovable, it shouldn't literally varry by whole months of gestation.

Babies born in developed countries are viable much sooner than those in developing. Are people born in developing countries less human, yes or no?
It's very important here. A fetus that can live, on its own (that is, without constant medical intervention, stop being autistic here), is a person in my view. A fetus is not a person any more than a sperm is not a person. When you spank it to pictures of Mitch McConnell, you're also committing many murders.

Vaccines are irrelevant, my issue is with commiting premeditated murder on an innocent person.
Vaccines are very relevant here. You are fine with preventable diseases killing people, but not a woman getting an abortion. You are fine with removing women's bodily but not yours. you also probably vote Republican, which means you are fine with eliminating welfare, which is ironic because you want to force women to have babies but then you want no responsibility in paying for them. You're just another Republican evangelical hypocrite.

I don't want to see 10+ reports from you today because someone else uses the R-word on you now.

Everybody else: stop taking bait, stay on topic, and be somewhat civil. There are other threads and places on site where you can have vicious slapfights and get your aggression out safely. USE THE IGNORE function if you can't help yourself.
I am just reporting when people violate the new rules. If you don't want to enforce the rules, why are you a mod?
 
It's very important here. A fetus that can live, on its own (that is, without constant medical intervention, stop being autistic here), is a person in my view. A fetus is not a person any more than a sperm is not a person. When you spank it to pictures of Mitch McConnell, you're also committing many murders.
So... are pre term babies that need incubators not human in your view? Is stabbing a baby in an incubator not murder? It requires constant medical intervention so...?

A sperm left undisturbed will never grow into baby so that's irrelevant, a zygote will.
Vaccines are very relevant here. You are fine with preventable diseases killing people, but not a woman getting an abortion. You are fine with removing women's bodily but not yours. you also probably vote Republican, which means you are fine with eliminating welfare, which is ironic because you want to force women to have babies but then you want no responsibility in paying for them. You're just another Republican evangelical hypocrite.
I literally just told you, my issue is with commiting premeditated murder on an innocent person. I don't know what about that is so hard to grasp or how it relates to vaccines. What does murder have to do with covid?

I'm also not catholic, not evangelical, not republican, and in my second reply to you I already said I think the government should give stipends to married couples that are expecting.
 
I am just reporting when people violate the new rules. If you don't want to enforce the rules, why are you a mod?
That's not what I said, you're being disingenuous. There would be a double standard if you are insulting people and calling them retards, when you report people for the very same thing. If you want to dry hump the report button, don't violate the same rules you pretend to be advocating for. Reports are not unexpected for a heated discussion topic like abortion, but taking a moment to say, "hey, just don't call each other retards" lightens the load and improves the overall quality. Stop calling each other retards, and stop trying to bait each other into violating rules so you can weaponize the report function.

That being said, we now return you to your regularly scheduled debate over whether fetuses are humans or not.
 
It's very important here. A fetus that can live, on its own (that is, without constant medical intervention, stop being autistic here), is a person in my view. A fetus is not a person any more than a sperm is not a person. When you spank it to pictures of Mitch McConnell, you're also committing many murders.
So even if the fetus is screaming bloody murder when it's fresh out of the womb of a STD ridden mother through normal birth or c-section you won't consider it human since it will need to be put in the baby pod for deep anti bacterial wash?

You use fetus and "context" a lot but the word you seem to be looking for is Zygote and all the other terms used before the baby is actually a fetus

pledit: then you also bring up ze pod a lot which literally every baby is stuffed into.
 
That's not what I said, you're being disingenuous. There would be a double standard if you are insulting people and calling them retards, when you report people for the very same thing. If you want to dry hump the report button, don't violate the same rules you pretend to be advocating for. Reports are not unexpected for a heated discussion topic like abortion, but taking a moment to say, "hey, just don't call each other retards" lightens the load and improves the overall quality. Stop calling each other retards, and stop trying to bait each other into violating rules so you can weaponize the report function.
I was very nice yesterday, but they were still calling me a retard. I would agree today not so much. I will be nicer today.

So even if the fetus is screaming bloody murder when it's fresh out of the womb of a STD ridden mother through normal birth or c-section you won't consider it human since it will need to be put in the baby pod for deep anti bacterial wash?
No, because it can still breathe on its own. Hell, the bible, that a lot of you pro-lifers want us to base our lives around, says it's not alive until it takes its first breath.
Also, seriously, thank you for not posting like a chantard. That is cringey as hell.

I literally just told you, my issue is with commiting premeditated murder on an innocent person. I don't know what about that is so hard to grasp or how it relates to vaccines. What does murder have to do with covid?

I'm also not catholic, not evangelical, not republican, and in my second reply to you I already said I think the government should give stipends to married couples that are expecting.
You are fine with people not taking precautions to not kill people with preventable diseases. You are fine removing women's bodily autonomy to stop fetuses from getting killed. You are not fine with removing your own bodily autonomy to get vaccinated to help prevent people dying. I can't believe you can't see your own hypocrisy here.

And you may deny being those things but you sure act like them.
 
No, because it can still breathe on its own. Hell, the bible, that a lot of you pro-lifers want us to base our lives around, says it's not alive until it takes its first breath.
What does religion have to do with this lmao. Life begins at conception. Advances in handwashing allows the younger fetus' to survive childbirth but without the natural selective pressure the trend of younger and younger fetus' births continues to grow which in turn will lead to advances in tech to allow them to survive and the cycle will continue until the eventual singularity of cooming in a pocket pussy and throwing it in the microwave

>Get's assblasted

>brings up christcuckery

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You are fine with people not taking precautions to not kill people with preventable diseases. You are fine removing women's bodily autonomy to stop fetuses from getting killed. You are not fine with removing your own bodily autonomy to get vaccinated to help prevent people dying. I can't believe you can't see your own hypocrisy here.

And you may deny being those things but you sure act like them.

I literally just told you, my issue is premeditated murder. How does all this other random bullshit you're bringing up relate to it? What do vaccines have to do with premeditated murder?

By the way you never answered the question of whether or not stabbing babies in incubators should be allowed, why is that?
 
I literally just told you, my issue is premeditated murder. How does all this other random bullshit you're bringing up relate to it? What do vaccines have to do with premeditated murder?

By the way you never answered the question of whether or not stabbing babies in incubators should be allowed, why is that?
Professional derailment to other topics. Works every time on me but you're golden ponyboy
 
I was very nice yesterday, but they were still calling me a retard. I would agree today not so much. I will be nicer today.


No, because it can still breathe on its own. Hell, the bible, that a lot of you pro-lifers want us to base our lives around, says it's not alive until it takes its first breath.
Also, seriously, thank you for not posting like a chantard. That is cringey as hell.


You are fine with people not taking precautions to not kill people with preventable diseases. You are fine removing women's bodily autonomy to stop fetuses from getting killed. You are not fine with removing your own bodily autonomy to get vaccinated to help prevent people dying. I can't believe you can't see your own hypocrisy here.

And you may deny being those things but you sure act like them.
look man this is just getting sad. if you can't stick to having actual arguments just stop commenting.
 
What does religion have to do with this lmao. Life begins at conception.

>Get's assblasted

>brings up christcuckery

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Lol life doesn't begin at conception. A fetus isn't a person any more than a cake mix being put in the oven isn't a cake.

>gets owned in debate
>spouts religious talking points
>gets upset when someone brings up the bible
>posts another cringey 4chan thing


I was being nice because you stopped acting like a 4chan tard, but seriously, posting like that is cringey as fuck

I literally just told you, my issue is premeditated murder. How does all this other random bullshit you're bringing up relate to it? What do vaccines have to do with premeditated murder?

By the way you never answered the question of whether or not stabbing babies in incubators should be allowed, why is that?
Going out unvaccinated is also premeditated, dude. You obviously don't care about life that much or you'd be for vaccine laws, too. Are you also for forced organ donation? That would also save lives. Or is it that you only advocate for fetuses because it's easy for you to virtue signal without requiring any effort? I don't see you advocating for more social welfare as much as you're advocating for forcing women to give birth. Gee, I wonder why that is

Stabbing babies in incubators should not be allowed, but that's just stupid. You claim a 2 week old fetus has more rights than a living, breathing woman.

look man this is just getting sad. if you can't stick to having actual arguments just stop commenting.
Sorry this site isn't the Republican hugbox you want and you have to see viewpoints you don't agree with. You can't just say "you don't have actual arguments!!!" because you don't agree with my viewpoints, son.
 
Sorry this site isn't the Republican hugbox you want and you have to see viewpoints you don't agree with. You can't just say "you don't have actual arguments!!!" because you don't agree with my viewpoints, son.
I'm not a republican, and I'm not just saying that because I dont like your viewpoints I'm saying it because you literally have no arguments and just ad hominem or strawman constantly.
 
Going out unvaccinated is also premeditated, dude. You obviously don't care about life that much or you'd be for vaccine laws, too. Are you also for forced organ donation? That would also save lives. Or is it that you only advocate for fetuses because it's easy for you to virtue signal without requiring any effort? I don't see you advocating for more social welfare as much as you're advocating for forcing women to give birth. Gee, I wonder why that is
lmao what

Do you think going outside unvaccinated is the same thing as commited premeditated murder? I know the mod said that we should play nice and not call each other retarded but, come on.

Forced organ donations would kill an innocent third party which is exactly what we're trying to avoid here.

I've said in 3 seperate comments so far that I think the government should give stipends to expecting married couples.
You claim a 2 week old fetus has more rights than a living, breathing woman.
No, I claim they have the same rights.
 
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Lol life doesn't begin at conception. A fetus isn't a person any more than a cake mix being put in the oven isn't a cake.

>gets owned in debate
>spouts religious talking points
>gets upset when someone brings up the bible
>posts another cringey 4chan thing
>Get's assblassted

>derails conversation by bringing up unrelated stuff

> I wIn GuYs


https://www.justthefacts.org/get-the-facts/when-life-begins/


You claim a 2 week old fetus
That's called an embryo
 
I'm not a republican, and I'm not just saying that because I dont like your viewpoints I'm saying it because you literally have no arguments and just ad hominem or strawman constantly.
I bring up valid points, you just dismiss them as "not valid arguments" because they don't align with your views.

And you come off like a hardcore Republican, dude.

lmao what

Do you think going outside unvaccinated is the same thing as commited premeditated murder? I know the mod said that we should play nice and not call each other retarded but, come on.

Forced organ donations would kill an innocent third party which is exactly what we're trying to avoid here.

I've said in 3 seperate comments so far that I think the government should give stipends to expecting married couples.
Yes? Both result in a preventable death.

Forced organ donation can be done without killing. Blood is donated regularly by living people. kidneys and liver can be, too. And there's organ donation from cadavers. Do you think those should be forced?

You think they should, but again, you vote Republican and seem to care a lot more about forcing women to give birth than you do about social welfare considering you never commented that elsewhere.

No, I claim they have the same rights.
No you don't. You claim women should not have control over their own bodies. Hence you think a corpse and fetus shoudl have more rights than they do.

>Get's assblassted

>derails conversation by bringing up unrelated stuff

> I wIn GuYs


https://www.justthefacts.org/get-the-facts/when-life-begins/
>posts like a religious fundie 4chaner
>gets anally agitated when called cringey
>uses religious fundie site for claiming life begins at conception


That's called an embryo
Whatever you call it, it doesn't change my point.
 
Yes? Both result in a preventable death.
Murder isn't averting a preventable death, its going out with the express intent to kill someone.

Forced organ donation can be done without killing. Blood is donated regularly by living people. kidneys and liver can be, too. And there's organ donation from cadavers. Do you think those should be forced?
No, that would violate bodily autonomy.
No you don't. You claim women should not have control over their own bodies. Hence you think a corpse and fetus shoudl have more rights than they do.

Women should be free to chose if they want to have sex or not. After they have sex they don't suddently gain the right to commit murder to avoid being inconvinienced as a result of their own actions.

You think they should, but again, you vote Republican and seem to care a lot more about forcing women to give birth than you do about social welfare considering you never commented that elsewhere.
This is the 4th comment where I say I support stipends for married couples who are expecting.
 
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